Sythe Users: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Lets Find Out! #3

[I Am Hunter]

Incorrect. If the sun were a spot light illuminating the surface it could follow any path it wanted including one which makes a longer day in southern Shité relative to northern Shité.

However it is not a spot light, there is not just a single circle of light being produced on the plane, instead it is a sphere of light very far away, so the light given off from all angles, which doesnt change regardless of the path it took, illuminates the entirety of the plane evenly (nearly evenly only changes slightly due to the curvature of the sun, however the distance between Earth and the sun makes this minimal). Does Jim also need to prove that the Sun is not a giant spot light but instead a sphere to make his point?


Guessing this just isn't a proper way to go about it just to test if the Earth is round to please the overlords

 

[Aesiir]

I love how everyone googled it and is just copying sh*t from the internet LOLOLOL

Think about the sun's movement guys.

 

[Thatnameistaken]

I love how everyone googled it and is just copying sh*t from the internet LOLOLOL

Think about the sun's movement guys.

According to Sythe, it's a fucking spotlight and can't be used. Still waiting on a response from him to my answer.

 

[I Am Hunter]

I love how everyone googled it and is just copying sh*t from the internet LOLOLOL

Think about the sun's movement guys.

Please respond in an answer form that will please the overlords, save Jim

According to Sythe, it's a fucking spotlight and can't be used. Still waiting on a response from him to my answer.

but are we nothing but spotlights being drowned out by the brighter spotlights

 

[Aesiir]

According to Sythe, it's a fucking spotlight and can't be used. Still waiting on a response from him to my answer.

Think about the angle the sun makes as it moves.

 

However it is not a spot light, there is not just a single circle of light being produced on the plane,

Can you prove this?

instead it is a sphere of light very far away, so the light given off from all angles, which doesnt change regardless of the path it took, illuminates the entirety of the plane evenly (nearly evenly only changes slightly due to the curvature of the sun, however the distance between Earth and the sun makes this minimal). Does Jim also need to prove that the Sun is not a giant spot light but instead a sphere to make his point?

As already discussed the shadows cast by sticks in the ground at some distance apart can be evidence of either a local "spotlight" sun illuminating a plane or, alternatively, a distant coherent light source illuminating a sphere.

You need to come up with method that Jim can use to demonstrate that the sun is a coherent light source 8 light minutes away if you want to use it in an argument.

 

[Accounts Shop]

Except he wouldn't be because turning 90 degrees twice on a sphere only takes you back to your starting point in very special circumstances.

Look try this: Go to an actual location and walk in a straight line as far as you can, count your steps. Turn 90 degrees and walk the same number of steps, then walk 90 degrees again the same number of steps. Are you where you started? Why do you think this will work?

This will work when the distance between turns is long enough for the curvature of the earth to be strong enough to influence the experiment.

If the distance is too short, it will just act as a plane

so for 10 meters it wouldn't work, but for 10 kilometers, it will seeing as the distance would be big enough to see the effect of the curvature of the earth

 

This will work when the distance between turns is long enough for the curvature of the earth to be strong enough to influence the experiment.

If the distance is too short, it will just act as a plane

so for 10 meters it wouldn't work, but for 10 kilometers, it will seeing as the distance would be big enough to see the effect of the curvature of the earth

Think about the fact that maps are printed in squares for a moment.

It's never going to be a triangle unless you travel EXACTLY a quarter of the circumference in every leg of the trip. Every other distance you attempt this with you will end up somewhere other than when you started. Mostly the amount you are out by in completing a four leg trip (a square) will be infinitesimal.

But supposing you calculate how much a four legged trip should be out by and supposing Jim has a means accurate enough to measure the trip and a way of making exact precision 90 degree turns which have no deviation even after 10 km. And suppose Jim can even walk in an exactly straight line. Suppose all of this. You could successfully prove that the dry lake is dome-shaped. This doesn't prove the earth is spherical.

 

[Aesiir]

Day 1
Jim goes 100 KM West from the center of his shitty country and finds the time (midday) where the sun is directly above him.
Document the time.
Day 2
Send son to place a stick 100 KM east from his shitty country to set the vertical stick at the same time.
Jim, at the same time, places a vertical stick directly underneath at a point that is 100 KM west from the center of his shitty country.
Jim and his son measure the length of the shadow cast.
The angle the sun makes at Jim's point of location is 7.2 degrees while the angle the sun makes at his son's position is zero degrees.

This proves that the suns rays are all parallel. (Different shadow angles gives the realization that the Sun's rays are all dropping at the same direction from the sun).
As the day progresses, the angle from the shadow changes proving that the Sun is moving and the rays are indeed parallel.

Conclusion: Earth is curved.

 

[Shin]

I sense the overlords are looking for Jim...

 

Day 1
Jim goes 100 KM West from the center of his shitty country and finds the time (midday) where the sun is directly above him.
Document the time.
Day 2
Send son to place a stick 100 KM east from his shitty country to set the vertical stick at the same time.
Jim, at the same time, places a vertical stick directly underneath at a point that is 100 KM west from the center of his shitty country.
Jim and his son measure the length of the shadow cast as the sun moves along the day.
The angle the sun makes at Jim's point of location is 7.2 degrees while the angle the sun makes at his son's position is zero degrees.

This proves that the suns rays are all parralel, resulting in the conclusion that Earth is curved.

Same argument already discussed several times above. Would work equally if the earth were flat and the suns rays were diverging e.g. from a local light source rather than a distant light source.

 

I sense the overlords are looking for Jim...

They are not happy overlords.

 

[Aesiir]

Same argument already discussed several times above. Would work equally if the earth were flat and the suns rays were diverging e.g. from a local light source rather than a distant light source.

The sun's rays are not diverging. The rays are all parallel due to the difference in angles cast on the shadow at Point A and Point B. The rays also change at a fixed angle as each hour passes by at both Point A and Point B.

 

[Accounts Shop]

Jim's reaction after walking 30km in the lake bed for nothing

 

[Thatnameistaken]

They are not happy overlords.

Given that the overlords know Jim's math of LxWxH for his wall is incorrect, and Jim figured out he would need more concrete for his wall, he knows he cannot be living on a flat plane.

 

[Shin]

They are not happy overlords.

Jim may want to consider selling his son so he can afford fuel for the planes...

 

[I Am Hunter]

fuck Jim, u aint worth this much

 

The sun's rays are not diverging. The rays are all parallel due to the difference in angles cast on the shadow at Point A and Point B. The rays also change at a fixed angle as each hour passes by at both Point A and Point B.

I don't think you understood. Re-read my several answers to the same idea that sticks placed at distances can prove curvature.

 

[Aesiir]

Look at an object far away. Perspective shows that it is not parallel but converges upon a point, a vanishing point. Now if you look up, you can see the sun's rays are pointing towards you and makes them appear to converge towards that same converging point. Those beams that converge are called crepuscular rays. Now when you watch the sun starting to set low on the horizon, you can see ANTI crepuscular rays which converge to a different point on the OPPOSITE side of the sky. This proves that the rays are parallel and there's another vanishing point in the opposite direction from the sun.

 

[Aesiir]

I'm excited to see the full answer; I'm curious to see what variable we all neglected.