Suicide, is it fair? [SENSITIVE]

[Dracon]

You're acting like Suicide is something someone wakes up and performs. "Well, suicide is my only option, better do it".
You're acting like Suicide is something people just "get", something people just obtain after awhile. It's not, it's something in the back of everyone's mind regardless of what you perception of it is.
It's a path people "choose" to take, not forced to take. It's your choice to commit suicide, nobody else's.

Choices made when somebody is mentally ill are not choices that can be said to be freely made. People who commit suicide are not in their right state of mind. Their brain is literally malfunctioning. This is why there's a such thing as an "insanity plea", where somebody who suffers a psychotic break harms another person.

I don't see how it isn't a QoL issue, people don't just have suicide as a issue when they're born, it's not like I can take medicine to cure suicide, you're thinking of depression, not suicide.

Suicide is something that, overwhelmingly, mentally ill people commit. See my above paragraph about brain malfunction.

So, apparently you've never actually met someone who's had the ability to beat mental issues, you just waltz into a hospital and went, "Hm, I guess this is how everyone with mental illnesses are". I've had those issues, beaten them, and now a better person because of it.

As with most diseases, there are varying degrees of mental issues. Some people are mildly affected, some seriously. Some people don't mentally fall apart, some do. Congratulations on being one of the ones that don't, I'm happy to hear it.

If people want to take their own lives it's completely on them. They leave a lot grief for their loved ones usually but.. Don't keep them in your lives to make YOU happy.

Most people who commit suicide are mentally ill. Most people who commit suicide do so on impulse. There are countless stories from people who have survived suicide attempts, who recall thinking "I don't want to die".

Still think we should let them do it?

sad, but true.. people try to help but it usually makes it worse.

No, that's not true at all. That's completely wrong. If somebody is suicidal, suicide intervention is almost always the only thing that can save them!

 

[Ronaldo7]

To go against your instinct to survive and kill yourself must mean that you must have had some extremely strong depression and an urge to no longer live. Is it fair? Who is to judge. Seriously.

Bringing morality and religion into a topic like this would be irrelevant, as the only thing that matters to a person who is suicidal is the escape from whatever problem they are facing. Ultimately I believe suicide is a choice, and if someone were to ever commit suicide, the act itself cannot be put to blame. The parents or guardians cannot be blamed, the only person that is responsible for the action of killing themselves is the person (unless they were forced to kill themselves in some situation).

 

[Jonathonn]

suicide is never fair, your taking away your life caus you don't feel living. you dont realise the implications it has on loved ones around you tho, they will regret the simplest of things they said to you and make them feel responsible as part of your death.
trust me, you may feel like your a nuisance to everyone and no one loves you and maybe your right no one loves you but its at that stage you die people think its their fault and have that on going regret and guilt

 

[Edgemaster]

People who kill themselves for any other reason than escaping a terminal illness are weak-willed and soft. Before you say I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and never had trouble, I pretty much had the run of the mill suicide situation. Dad was an alcoholic, parents were divorced and didn't see my mother, my grades sucked, socially retarded, no gf, etc. I started smoking reefer with buddies and soldiered on through the tough weekends where dad would wake up screaming half-drunk and hung over and now my dad is a year sober, I actually have friends, I talk to girls, etc. I feel for the problems that people who kill themselves feel, but most of the time they aren't valid excuses to off yourself.

 

[Black Widow]

It's not fair to anyone, what do you mean by that?

if someone feels the need to leave their soul and body on this earth then there is obviously something not right.

 

[Dracon]

To go against your instinct to survive and kill yourself must mean that you must have had some extremely strong depression and an urge to no longer live. Is it fair? Who is to judge. Seriously.

Bringing morality and religion into a topic like this would be irrelevant, as the only thing that matters to a person who is suicidal is the escape from whatever problem they are facing. Ultimately I believe suicide is a choice, and if someone were to ever commit suicide, the act itself cannot be put to blame. The parents or guardians cannot be blamed, the only person that is responsible for the action of killing themselves is the person (unless they were forced to kill themselves in some situation).

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but if you look a little further, you'll see that people who commit suicide are usually mentally ill. As such, they can't really be blamed.

People who kill themselves for any other reason than escaping a terminal illness are weak-willed and soft. Before you say I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and never had trouble, I pretty much had the run of the mill suicide situation. Dad was an alcoholic, parents were divorced and didn't see my mother, my grades sucked, socially retarded, no gf, etc. I started smoking reefer with buddies and soldiered on through the tough weekends where dad would wake up screaming half-drunk and hung over and now my dad is a year sober, I actually have friends, I talk to girls, etc. I feel for the problems that people who kill themselves feel, but most of the time they aren't valid excuses to off yourself.

What you've described isn't a "suicide situation", at all.

Contrary to popular belief, a "suicide situation" has literally nothing to do with how shitty your life is. Generally, people who commit suicide are mentally ill, so I'm sorry to hear that you had a shitty upbringing, but it's actually not relevant at all to this discussion.

It's not fair to anyone, what do you mean by that?

if someone feels the need to leave their soul and body on this earth then there is obviously something not right.

Well, you're definitely on the right track - if somebody goes against every instinct that their body has to survive, something is badly wrong!

 

[Saint Grimm]

It's no fair, but it's not unfair either... There are so many different things that contribute to someone taking their own life...

Were they in their right mind? As it's been said, someone who takes their own life can be in such a state that it could be said it was not a choice freely made.

And there's other ways to look at it as well...

In some situations, the person can be in such mental anguish that you would have to ask yourself: is unfair for you to expect them to keep going on?

And then there's those who simply "have nothing to live for" and are not depressed or hurting. They just believe that there is nothing here for them, and do not care who it hurts. I'm not speaking of people who literally do not have anything to live for... Rather people who have loved ones that it would hurt, but they simply don't care and chose to take their lives because "why not? This world is evil, I don't want to be here and never chose to be. I refuse to watch this world burn"... In that situation, it is unfair to the loved ones.

 

[Beta01]

I'll argue that these mental disorders are examples of any other suffering that can drive your quality of life below a threshold of a life worth living. It all happens in the brain, it's all mental anguish. The idea that generally people who have suicidal thoughts have symptoms of mental illness does not suggest they can't have moments or episodes where they are able to think rationally, understand the reality of the situation and consequences of their judgement. Even if that person might not be capable of making a rational decision at present, we can make contracts in advance of what happens or have a relative speak on behalf of our interest. We already demonstrate how we overcome some of these issues. Everyone has the right to make decisions over the quality of their life no matter the circumstance and just as someone has the benefit of technology to save their life, it should also be used in the same way to end it.


Another thing is rationality. So far, i haven't been convinced with any argument indicating or proving that life is worth enduring until the bitter end. Seems more of a triumph of desire over sensibility. Perhaps it is just as plausible to question the mental state of people who have this 'irrational love' for life that keep many of them alive even when their lives have become so bad that ceasing to exist would be better. I certainly wouldn't want them to be representing me as if they feel it's an ethical imperative to save myself from my own judgement when i certainly don't have the right to do it to them. It is true that if someones life seems better than they think, our assessment about whether their life isn't worth continuing might seem wrong. That's still a decision we should allow people to make in my opinion just like we give people the right to refuse treatment. If it is a mistake, it is a consequence which they won't be around to imagine. It would be even worse to prolong the life of someone suffering and deny the technology necessary for a dignified exit. We know the bigger risks associated with sub standard methods of escape.

 

[fragan77]

suicide is never fair, your taking away your life caus you don't feel living. you dont realise the implications it has on loved ones around you tho, they will regret the simplest of things they said to you and make them feel responsible as part of your death.
trust me, you may feel like your a nuisance to everyone and no one loves you and maybe your right no one loves you but its at that stage you die people think its their fault and have that on going regret and guilt

This is a good point. Although you have a complete control of your body and what you want to do with it, I think its a selfish act to kill yourself.

 

[Beta01]

This is a good point. Although you have a complete control of your body and what you want to do with it, I think its a selfish act to kill yourself.

I don't think it is a good point entirely.

If suicidal people should be wise of the implications it has on their loved ones, then those who procreate should be wiser to consider the trap they lay when having children. Should they not be just as wise of the implications that their actions create? Harm is a tragedy in part of coming into existence. Child-bearer's make the fallacy of deciding for someone else whether a life's worth living all whilst thinking everything will turn out fine.


Different people are able to take different magnitudes of burden. Some people would even understand. Others, it would cause the kind of mental pain that makes death seem mild in comparison so i will have to agree, it is important in some aspects. Another issue is responsibility. Should people who have responsibilities like children be allowed to freely leave the mess they've made? I don't think so. I suppose if you didn't have family, friends i'd have to imagine what kind of quality of life you are living in.

 

[Runechest]

Yes, it's their body and they choose how they would like for it to be.

 

[LogoShield]

If you are theist you will go to hell, which is worse than any pain you can humanly feel on Earth. If you are atheist get your act together, you know life is all you get. There's always somebody who went through worse and didn't kill themselves.

 

[Championman]

Suicide , worst thing what todo.

 

[Se Rogue]

If you are theist you will go to hell, which is worse than any pain you can humanly feel on Earth. If you are atheist get your act together, you know life is all you get. There's always somebody who went through worse and didn't kill themselves.

This doesn't really address the topic at hand. The question is not: "Is suicide good or bad according to your personal religious beliefs?" The question is: "Is suicide fair or unfair and why?"

Suicide , worst thing what todo.

Could you expand on this post, please?

 

[DarkRaven]

Suicide is your own decision , but to friends and family this is not fair

 

[Rkeh]

Honestly, I'm a Christian, it is not unfair, it is a sin.

But let's look at this through a humanistic way of life, shall we?

No, it is not unfair, for nothing is fair or unfair unless permitted in the laws of the country which are in.

 

[Se Rogue]

Honestly, I'm a Christian, it is not unfair, it is a sin.

But let's look at this through a humanistic way of life, shall we?

No, it is not unfair, for nothing is fair or unfair unless permitted in the laws of the country which are in.

That really doesn't have much to do with humanism at all. Also, just because something is a law does not make it inherently fair.

 

[Hansis]

No i dont think suicide is fair. Its selfish. Hurt other people to get away.

If you have problems, seek help. Might be hard, i never been in that situation.

There is one kind if suicide i think is alright. When people are really really sick, then i think suicide should be an option.

 

[W00t]

That really doesn't have much to do with humanism at all. Also, just because something is a law does not make it inherently fair.

Define 'fair' my friend?

 

[cheeseburger]

Suicide is a desperate act by someone who is in intense pain and wants their pain to stop. That is a HUMAN response to extreme pain, not a selfish one. And over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death, so they are not thinking clearly.