Stopped here, because survival of the fittest in the human race is only decided by those who literally can not be saved. We are a species BUILT upon our ability to help each other survive.
Is suicide right?
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Stopped here, because survival of the fittest in the human race is only decided by those who literally can not be saved. We are a species BUILT upon our ability to help each other survive.
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Ability exactly. We have the ability yes, but if they're mentally ill and they really cannot be saved, why waste your time when you can actually help someone who can be saved. Before there was medicine to keep your mentally ill side away, everyone hated the mentally ill and in some cultures they killed them.
Seriously you make zero sense, people with suicidal tendencies have been pulled away and had a new view on life.
And there was a time where some cultures murdered jews. I can bring up unrelated things too.
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Clearly you are just too moronic to not understand it if you think it makes zero sense. SOME MENTAL DISORDERS ARE INCURABLE GENIUS, while some CAN BE CURED. SO DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME HELPING THE INCURABLE AND HELP THE ONES WHO CAN BE CURED. Jesus talking to a brick wall here.
God you're obnoxious, if you want to talk about other mental disorders, then kindly make another thread. This is about suicide, which is not always a mental disorder, and even in cases when it is it's usually something like depression.
Which is, wow, treatable.
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is it right or wrong? that is a tricky question because there is no ultimate right or wrong. I guess you are asking me my personal opinion, rather than for an objective fact.
I think that suicide is ok, as it is the person's choice.
while, as I study psychology, it is my responsibility to do whatever I can to stop it including informing the authorities.
that is the short answer.
long answer is it truly varies from case to case.
If a person was the last human alive on earth, I think suicide would be justified.
however, if a person just broke up with their boyfriend and is threatening suicide for attention, it is obviously wrong.
also, we do have a responsibility to help those who cannot be cured live as comfortable a life as possible.
ex. we give people with schizophrenia anti psychotic meds.
we give people on their death beds morphine.
I think that suicide is ok, as it is the person's choice.
while, as I study psychology, it is my responsibility to do whatever I can to stop it including informing the authorities.
that is the short answer.
long answer is it truly varies from case to case.
If a person was the last human alive on earth, I think suicide would be justified.
however, if a person just broke up with their boyfriend and is threatening suicide for attention, it is obviously wrong.
also, we do have a responsibility to help those who cannot be cured live as comfortable a life as possible.
ex. we give people with schizophrenia anti psychotic meds.
we give people on their death beds morphine.
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The SFA forum is for intelligible discussion, if you can't handle the fact that people have different opinions then I suggest you put your caps lock back off and leave.
Finally, you've hit the jackpot, this is exactly it.
It is not up to anyone else to say whether someone was right or wrong to kill themselves or attempt to kill themselves. It is however, the persons unwritten, moral responsibility as another human being to try their best to make sure they don't get that bad. If a person is given all help available to try to relieve the pain they are going through, I think they have every right to end their suffering.
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I'd suggest not butting into other people's conversations. I didn't say anything about his opinion jackass, he said I made zero sense so I was clearing it up for him.
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I think you'll find it's not called butting in to a conversation but taking part in a debate, which I think you'll find this is. His opinion conflicts with yours, there's no need to go all keyboard warrior on him, you can explain your views and you'll be listened to just like everyone else. You wont last long if you fire on caps lock that quickly, just saying.
To the people who say people that commit suicide are weak and cowards, you are in most cases right. In some cases though it is hell for the people. but most of the time its pussies in high school or mentally ill folks. Im tired of ignorant dumbass high schoolers crying about how they are bullied. DO something about it. IF you didnt succeed, YOU didn't try hard enough. If it was me, I would fuck shit UP and so would a lot of other people if they were bullied. You will most likely live about 80 years or so. THAT'S NOT THAT LONG. whatever you pissing and moaning about when you want to commit suicide will most likely be over soon enough!
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Life is so precious :/
Don't understand why they would take their lives. No situation is that bad where you have to end up killing yourself. It all works out in the end, but killing yourself just proves you're weak. I wouldn't want to go out like that and then have people show remorse for my poor actions.
Don't understand why they would take their lives. No situation is that bad where you have to end up killing yourself. It all works out in the end, but killing yourself just proves you're weak. I wouldn't want to go out like that and then have people show remorse for my poor actions.
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Weak?
Once could make the claim that you don't have the balls to shoot yourself in the head.
I generally agree that suicide is a move of cowardice but it doesn't definitively make someone who kills themselves "weak".
I can't even really contribute to this issue, because so many different arguments can be made, which is one of the great things about such a tragic issue like this. All I can really say is that I think suicide is morally wrong - suicide is often referred to by people who see it as a "way out" of an "unbearable" life, but yet other people manage to go through the same stuff they do and not commit suicide? I can't really get into it without contradicting myself.. but the same goes to somebody arguing that suicide is okay.
Never. There's always a way out of the 'problems' and 'stress'. Taking your own life is a tragic and selfish thing to do....no matter the circumstances or position you may be in.
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So you think the person should suffer just so everyone else doesn't have to go through grieving? When what the person is going through is more than likely 100 times worse than grieving? I think it's selfish to make someone stay alive and suffer just so you don't have to be sad.
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I think suicide is acceptable ONLY in cases of terminal illness, in which case it is illegal in most countries so people are forced to starve themselves to "legally" commit suicide. I think this topic needs more influence in society's today such as more help for people with suicidal thoughts and a humane way for terminally ill people to decide for themselves if they want a painless death. Just my opinion.
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I'm not going to go in depth, but my answer is no, it's not right to an extent. If you have family,friends, people who value and care about you, then yes, it is wrong and the one considering it should consider how those people would feel/react. On the other hand, if you're all alone, no family, friends and totally distant from anyone, and your reasons are plausible, I find it hard to argue against; as it boils down to the individuals opinion of his life/living standards/financial state etc.
What I said doesn't include anything to do with religion, as that's a totally different perspective.
What I said doesn't include anything to do with religion, as that's a totally different perspective.
Warning, I have not read anyone else's posts except for the initial post.
Suicide is not a tricky subject in philosophy. People have the right to do whatever they please with themselves, quite simple really. The non coercion axiom and property rights clearly shows this truth. However, there is a side of the equation that is also opinion based. Merely because people have the right to do so does not mean that it is the most logical action in most circumstances. Life as we know it is vitally precious, and we only have a single shot with it. If someone is depressing you, I strongly recommend counseling of some kind or even talking to someone close to you. The most general advice I can give is to remove yourself from the depressing and dramatic situation and know that everyone controls their own feelings, and only you can make you feel offended, depressed, or suicidal from someone else's words or actions (neurological illnesses not included).
Suicide is not a tricky subject in philosophy. People have the right to do whatever they please with themselves, quite simple really. The non coercion axiom and property rights clearly shows this truth. However, there is a side of the equation that is also opinion based. Merely because people have the right to do so does not mean that it is the most logical action in most circumstances. Life as we know it is vitally precious, and we only have a single shot with it. If someone is depressing you, I strongly recommend counseling of some kind or even talking to someone close to you. The most general advice I can give is to remove yourself from the depressing and dramatic situation and know that everyone controls their own feelings, and only you can make you feel offended, depressed, or suicidal from someone else's words or actions (neurological illnesses not included).
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Committing suicide is probably one of the hardest things anyone could ever do, so I don't see how this could be classed as weak.
Some people are not religious, so this is not really an argument.
Exactly.
We're talking about unbearable depression and an uncomfortable mental state here, not just someone being sad because of a break up. It's like assisted suicide, they don't just let anyone waltz in to Switzerland and kill themselves. Same with this, it's wrong to a certain degree, but in extreme cases, there's nothing that could have been done.
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