Suicide.

[Stickly]

Personally, I'm in a deep stage within my life and I just remind myself that one day, I will be happily living in a condo on the beach with everything I could ever imagine having with my dream job, dream girlfriend, and kids.

I once had it and lost it all, and now I'm picking up the pieces and it's very discouraging at times, but you just have to remind yourself it won't last forever and things will get better.

I do believe in order to commit suicide, you are a weak minded person, because if you weren't, you would be able to talk yourself through it. I've been contemplating it more than ever lately, but I know I will never do it. Some days I wake up and it's literally the first thing I think about, 'Why am I even alive?' and how miserable I am. It's not until I watch a TV show and see a beach and am reminded of the beauty of this world we live in and what else is out there waiting for me. Nothing is going to change over night, so once again, I just remind myself that one day things will get better.

What if the person does not see their life getting any better? Has never had it been good in their own eyes. All they see in the foreseeable future is more pain. What happens then? How can they talk themselves out of it.

 

[Swan]

If a person wants to die, let them. We were all brought forth in to this world without having possibly been able to give consent, so how on earth does anyone else have the right to stop us from ending our own lives when we see fit?

Truthfully, isn't a day I don't think about it. It's not really a sad feeling, more of an empty one. Objectively, it doesn't bother me if my life ends now or in 50 years time.

 

[Stickly]

If a person wants to die, let them. We were all brought forth in to this world without having possibly been able to give consent, so how on earth does anyone else have the right to stop us from ending our own lives when we see fit?

Truthfully, isn't a day I don't think about it. It's not really a sad feeling, more of an empty one. Objectively, it doesn't bother me if my life ends now or in 50 years time.

I, too, think about it, not from depression or anything, but it's not something I see myself going through with or taking seriously. Simply more like a "I'm so bored with life" kind of thing. Not sure if people have that thought a lot.

 

[Swan]

I, too, think about it, not from depression or anything, but it's not something I see myself going through with or taking seriously. Simply more like a "I'm so bored with life" kind of thing. Not sure if people have that thought a lot.

My opinion comes from a nihilist perspective that I always seem to default to. To explain:

Even as a child I always figured something being important was up to the person in context; importance is relative to the observer, which is at least partially why all humans have different thoughts, opinions and ideas. In other words, there's no absolute reference for what "important" actually means. It's almost an analogue to Einstein's relativity theory in the sense that there is no universal, absolute reference frame - EVERYTHING depends on the observer.

In that case, if one were to try and look at the broader picture as I often do, nothing is actually absolutely important. Nothing really much matters. Follow this by the realisation that all things that begin must end, and all things that live must die, and the only real importance in living is relative, not absolute. If you have no relative reason to keep living, death is a natural consideration as absolutely it doesn't matter at all if you die now or later.

 

[Stickly]

My opinion comes from a nihilist perspective that I always seem to default to. To explain:

Even as a child I always figured something being important was up to the person in context; importance is relative to the observer, which is at least partially why all humans have different thoughts, opinions and ideas. In other words, there's no absolute reference for what "important" actually means. It's almost an analogue to Einstein's relativity theory in the sense that there is no universal, absolute reference frame - EVERYTHING depends on the observer.

In that case, if one were to try and look at the broader picture as I often do, nothing is actually absolutely important. Nothing really much matters. Follow this by the realisation that all things that begin must end, and all things that live must die, and the only real importance in living is relative, not absolute. If you have no relative reason to keep living, death is a natural consideration as absolutely it doesn't matter at all if you die now or later.

So this goes off topic, but still pertains, with your view, does this mean other people mean nothing to you? As they are not important.

 

[Swan]

So this goes off topic, but still pertains, with your view, does this mean other people mean nothing to you? As they are not important.

Looking at the "bigger picture" of everything, that is correct. No-one means anything. Or maybe it'd be more accurate to say that the importance of anyone is undefined (which essentially means doesn't exist anyway, but hey, I like being mathematically correct).

Relative to me, though, there are people I am attached to. What I'm saying about suicide is it doesn't much matter when you die in terms of the universe itself.

 

[Stickly]

Looking at the "bigger picture" of everything, that is correct. No-one means anything. Or maybe it'd be more accurate to say that the importance of anyone is undefined (which essentially means doesn't exist anyway, but hey, I like being mathematically correct).

Relative to me, though, there are people I am attached to. What I'm saying about suicide is it doesn't much matter when you die in terms of the universe itself.

I'm not talking in terms of the universe itself, more of, your personal thoughts. Back it up with reason, and so on.

 

[Swan]

I'm not talking in terms of the universe itself, more of, your personal thoughts. Back it up with reason, and so on.

I tend to think in terms of the bigger picture a lot - not just in terms of the universe, but with everything - as it allows me to take a more holistic approach to problem solving, which is an important skill to develop in the profession I'm pursuing. As an extension of this, I PREFER to take an unbiased, holistic, "bigger picture" worldview.

This means that whenever I consider the concept of life in a rational context, I need to acknowledge that any feelings I have for anything are a simple function of brain chemistry, and therefore essentially there's no defined reason why any of it is any more important than, say, a rock.

Naturally it pleases me to feel certain ways about certain things, but as I said, that's all a function of chemistry. I'd have to argue that ultimately we're not incredibly important beyond simple feelings, so suicide doesn't really matter one way or the other.

 

[vtrupee35]

For me, suicide is just a way out. I won't say it' easy but its fast. More often that not, people think it solves your problem when you're cornered in a desperate spot but that's not true. You just escaped the situation of the problem and let the ones you left handle it. Summary: Suicide is for cowards.

 

[Swan]

For me, suicide is just a way out. I won't say it' easy but its fast. More often that not, people think it solves your problem when you're cornered in a desperate spot but that's not true. You just escaped the situation of the problem and let the ones you left handle it. Summary: Suicide is for cowards.

You're using a blanket situation to describe all suicide. Many people are simply bored with life, have lost relative reason to continue living, or are tired of dealing with a world they can't function in, enjoy, or otherwise find fulfilment in. Euthanasia is a very typical example of this.

The reason many people presumably commit suicide in "desperate spots" is because of the emotional stress of everything that has happened or is happening. As an example, if you lose all you own and all you care about, it is very conceivably difficult and often too much when you're already at the emotional breaking point to build yourself up again. I don't necessarily consider it cowardice, but calling these people cowards to their face certainly will not help them if you are pro-life.

 

[Stickly]

For me, suicide is just a way out. I won't say it' easy but its fast. More often that not, people think it solves your problem when you're cornered in a desperate spot but that's not true. You just escaped the situation of the problem and let the ones you left handle it. Summary: Suicide is for cowards.

You should go back and read more from when Roary and I were posting. I won't keep repeating myself over this until someone who's open-minded and provides a decent argument comes.

You're using a blanket situation to describe all suicide. Many people are simply bored with life, have lost relative reason to continue living, or are tired of dealing with a world they can't function in, enjoy, or otherwise find fulfilment in. Euthanasia is a very typical example of this.

The reason many people presumably commit suicide in "desperate spots" is because of the emotional stress of everything that has happened or is happening. As an example, if you lose all you own and all you care about, it is very conceivably difficult and often too much when you're already at the emotional breaking point to build yourself up again. I don't necessarily consider it cowardice, but calling these people cowards to their face certainly will not help them if you are pro-life.

But I guess Swan can cover a lot of it..

 

[Wolf83]

I agree OP, it's their lives, they know they are blessed to be here, if they want to end their own life, go ahead.

First thought that goes in your mind, right before suicide: regret.

 

[getonmylvl]

people who try to commit suicide should be allowed back into society. They need to be healed, rejuvenated whatever, but they can't be cut out and made outlaws. If that were to happen, which it does, it would just push the people who stopped themselves from taking their lives, would push them to maybe do it again which is not what anyone should want.

 

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This documentary shows three things for me

• How many suicides there actually are; a scary amount
• It can happen to anyone should they be dealt a particularly tricky set of cards in life
• It shouldn't take a failed attempt to make people realise there is a way out

People donate to CancerResearch as an "investment for their future" because eventually we will all either know someone who dies from it or will have it. Depression is like a cancer, that starts niggling away at everything that makes someone happy. People should realise that it could happen to them or someone they love; invest in their futures and support more resources and help.

 

[getonmylvl]

thats true, how people are cast out of society for trying to kill themselves. ^^ I also firmly believe depression is a mental illness that can be cured, however you need treatment, not by drugs, but by people. In many ways that makes it all the harder to cure, but it is curable and will be forever. So instead of people being cast out of society, they should be brought back in to the middle and cured.

This, i believe hat dramatically decrease the number of suicides (some people wouldn't agree to the program, its like a drug, doesn't always work for everyone)....

 

[Anavar]

I think suicide is pathetic. Whilst saying that, I fully respect any problems one may be going through in order for them to feel as if they should end their lives, however when someone with family and friends end their life, it scars those around them for a long long time/life.

It's a selfish and cowardly way out.

 

[Symbol]

Suicide is selfish, but I understand that for some people it's what they truly want for themselves. We have to understand that not everybody WANTS to live, some people who are feeling depressed and mentally scared would rather just end their lives and won't regret it at all.

However there are some people who will just end their lives for attention, yes attention.
They don't realise that once they have ended their life and all the attention they get from doing so, they will regret it, because the fact of the matter is, people will forget. Sure there will be a few years of sorrow for that person (unless you're a family member etc..) But after those years have gone by we start to forget, and overall, we move on.

 

[Stickly]

I think suicide is pathetic. Whilst saying that, I fully respect any problems one may be going through in order for them to feel as if they should end their lives, however when someone with family and friends end their life, it scars those around them for a long long time/life.

It's a selfish and cowardly way out.

I do agree, it hurts the people around you. Just recently one of my closest friends downed multiple bottles of pills and was sent the a psychiatric institute.. I wanted to cry, but his pain is so much worse then how I would've felt. Soon enough my pain will subside, much sooner then his will.

Suicide is selfish, but I understand that for some people it's what they truly want for themselves. We have to understand that not everybody WANTS to live, some people who are feeling depressed and mentally scared would rather just end their lives and won't regret it at all.

However there are some people who will just end their lives for attention, yes attention.
They don't realise that once they have ended their life and all the attention they get from doing so, they will regret it, because the fact of the matter is, people will forget. Sure there will be a few years of sorrow for that person (unless you're a family member etc..) But after those years have gone by we start to forget, and overall, we move on.

So, to help suicidal people, or not to?


@Roary, I didn't want to reply yet, as I have yet to sit down for an hour and a half, but I'll check out the video soon enough.

 

[Arya]

I think that for the well-prepared mind, suicide does not have to exist within an inadaptable state. One may commit suicide in order to acheive the next 'level' of interactive phenomena throughout and within the universal energy that makes us all, and not through selfishness nor cancerous thought.

Idk.

 

[Stickly]

I think that for the well-prepared mind, suicide does not have to exist within an inadaptable state. One may commit suicide in order to acheive the next 'level' of interactive phenomena throughout and within the universal energy that makes us all, and not through selfishness nor cancerous thought.

Idk.

This is a point that's been brought up, we're mainly just adding depression into this as a main point, as it's a large factor towards most suicides. Gonna edit OP in a bit to make it cleaner/added with new points.