Is it okay for parents to hit their children?

Lol not very bright are you? You are putting words after mine, but they aren't refuting my points. They are making separate irrelevant points in order to skirt all my points that you know you can't refute or you just don't understand the points I am making.

Are you dense? You're doing it again.

Let me ask you this. Do our morals trump the morals of others? Even in one of the most progressive countries in the world, corporal punishment is still legal. What does that tell us?

Stop skipping over my points. You've done this 5 different times. I responded to all your points.

Refer to my last post. Confronts this.

I responded to your post about my bleach correlation, but I'm not addressing your points?

I responded to your post about sleep deprivation, even gave you 3 different articles supporting my position, but I'm not addressing your points?

I responded to your post about subjective evidence, even gave you a link clearly detailing the difference between the two, but I'm not addressing your points?

A childs immediate reaction to being hit has nothing to do with the negative effects LOL.

I asked you to give me proof that says immediate reactions to being hit has nothing to do with the negative effects. You skipped over this.

Slaves were accepted at a comparable rate that hitting children is now. And since the evidence that hitting children is not very effective and is bad for children is stacking up I think that it will become either law that you can't or it will be taboo.

You're comparing slavery to hitting your child? Are you trolling?

If hitting your child is not very effective, why are asians doing so well? They receive corporal punishment the most, at a more severe rate than other countries, including the US.

The damn question asks if hitting your child is okay. How do you measure what's okay and what isn't okay?

 

[Kugo Ginjo]

Are you dense? You're doing it again.



Stop skipping over my points. You've done this 5 different times. I responded to all your points.



I responded to your post about my bleach correlation, but I'm not addressing your points?

I responded to your post about sleep deprivation, even gave you 3 different articles supporting my position, but I'm not addressing your points?

I responded to your post about subjective evidence, even gave you a link clearly detailing the difference between the two, but I'm not addressing your points?

"I didn't fail to understand. It's just so stupid of a logical connection that it's irrelevant. Let's use your example. If you drink bleach(hitting children) and gasoline(sleep issues etc), just because you prove gasoline(sleep) is causing issues, it doesn't disprove that the bleach is harming you as well."

You didn't reply to this at all. You just repeated what you had already said. LOL. Just because the gasoline(sleep issues) are bad, it doesn't mean the bleach(hitting) isn't.

This is one example of you not responding to my points. You just repeat some random as shiit and try to pass it as a rebuttal. Retard.

I asked you to give me proof that says immediate reactions to being hit has nothing to do with the negative effects. You skipped over this.

Because it's so obvious. It says in the article I linked. I wasn't saying ALL the negative effects. I was referring to the ones I was talking about.

You're comparing slavery to hitting your child? Are you trolling?

If hitting your child is not very effective, why are asians doing so well? They receive corporal punishment the most, at a more severe rate than other countries, including the US.

The damn question asks if hitting your child is okay. How do you measure what's okay and what isn't okay?

It doesn't matter what I compare it to, the point is that just because it's generally accepted now because of misinformation, bias, and lack of information doesn't mean it's right.

If hitting isn't very effective why are they doing so well? LOL, this argument is so dumb I almost wonder if you're mentally handicapped. Let's say I drink 5 drops of bleach a day and become a millionaire. You're argument is like saying that the drinking bleach is the reason I was successful.

What's ok and whats not? Beating the grey matter out of your child is not. Easy.

 

[ilovegold69]

If hitting your child is not very effective, why are asians doing so well? They receive corporal punishment the most, at a more severe rate than other countries, including the US.

The damn question asks if hitting your child is okay. How do you measure what's okay and what isn't okay?

It's not accurate to attribute the success of a continent to the rate of corporal punishment used on their youth population. I could make the same argument about backwards communism and a lack of freedom of speech.

 

"I didn't fail to understand. It's just so stupid of a logical connection that it's irrelevant. Let's use your example. If you drink bleach(hitting children) and gasoline(sleep issues etc), just because you prove gasoline(sleep) is causing issues, it doesn't disprove that the bleach is harming you as well."

You didn't reply to this at all. You just repeated what you had already said. LOL. Just because the gasoline(sleep issues) are bad, it doesn't mean the bleach(hitting) isn't.

This doesn't even make sense. Do you even know why I brought drinking undiluted bleach up? Because the effects of drinking it are inevitable. Do you even know why I up brought sleep deprivation? Because they are a supporting factor as to why kids are performing poorly in school (read the articles, they support this).

Hitting a kid doesn't give inevitable effects, this includes poorly performing in schools in the US. Sleep deprivation is a supporting cause as to why kids are performing poorly, and AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER FACTORS PLAYING A PART. Do I need to remind you that the US is ranked 14th in education worldwide? There are obviously many factors as to why this is the case. You seem to be getting mad because I'm stating facts.

That's like me taking a survery as to what kids are eating the most, then make the correlation that kids that eat corn chips are performing poorly in schools. This is subjective evidence taken at face value. I'm not considering what other factors can play a part, hence why I brought up sleep deprivation.

Stop trolling, it's getting old.

This is one example of you not responding to my points. You just repeat some random as shiit and try to pass it as a rebuttal. Retard.

It's not random, read up.

Because it's so obvious. It says in the article I linked. I wasn't saying ALL the negative effects. I was referring to the ones I was talking about.

A childs immediate reaction to being hit has nothing to do with the negative effects LOL.

Selective memory much? Also, please show me where in the article you give does it mention this.

It doesn't matter what I compare it to, the point is that just because it's generally accepted now because of misinformation, bias, and lack of information doesn't mean it's right.

"Generally accepted NOW because of..."

Hitting your child was ALWAYS ACCEPTED. There were never laws passing stating that you can now hit your child. Laws were passed stating you can't in some areas because it was legal.

If hitting isn't very effective why are they doing so well? LOL, this argument is so dumb I almost wonder if you're mentally handicapped. Let's say I drink 5 drops of bleach a day and become a millionaire. You're argument is like saying that the drinking bleach is the reason I was successful.

Do you realize the success of asians in education and economic prosperity stems from cultural traditions, primarily discipline. You're undermining my point by exaggerating it.

Drinking bleach for the umpteenth time is about inevitable effects. Why do you keep twisting my point?

What's ok and whats not? Beating the grey matter out of your child is not. Easy.

Hitting your child doesn't solely mean beat it to unconsciousness. You're once again exaggerating.

It's not accurate to attribute the success of a continent to the rate of corporal punishment used on their youth population. I could make the same argument about backwards communism and a lack of freedom of speech.

Do you realize the success of asians in education and economic prosperity stems from cultural traditions, primarily discipline.

5char

 

[Kugo Ginjo]

This doesn't even make sense. Do you even know why I brought drinking undiluted bleach up? Because the effects of drinking it are inevitable. Do you even know why I up brought sleep deprivation? Because they are a supporting factor as to why kids are performing poorly in school (read the articles, they support this).

First, you must be trolling or be so fking stupid its ridiculous. My making the comparison to bleach has nothing to do with you doing it. It was a separate comparison to make my point, unrelated to yours. So you still haven't answered it. You keep saying it has to do with your comparison or something. I jsut used it because it was a handy comparison, not because it had anything to do with yours. So again: "Just because the gasoline(sleep issues) are bad, it doesn't mean the bleach(hitting) isn't."

Hitting a kid doesn't give inevitable effects, this includes poorly performing in schools in the US. Sleep deprivation is a supporting cause as to why kids are performing poorly, and AN EXAMPLE OF OTHER FACTORS PLAYING A PART. Do I need to remind you that the US is ranked 14th in education worldwide? There are obviously many factors as to why this is the case. You seem to be getting mad because I'm stating facts.

It does give inevitable negative effects to some degree every time. How well a country is doing has very little to nothing to do with forms of punishment. You keep making that connection and it's just flat stupid.

That's like me taking a survery as to what kids are eating the most, then make the correlation that kids that eat corn chips are performing poorly in schools. This is subjective evidence taken at face value. I'm not considering what other factors can play a part, hence why I brought up sleep deprivation.

No it's not LOL. Are you dumb? You just linked articles that say things about sleeping using the same logical methods, so first you're a hypocrite. It's more like feeding one group of kids a specific amount of corn chips and another no corn chips and controlling the other aspects of their life. Then collecting and analyzing the difference between those that did and those that didn't. And this is spread over thousands of people, so in the average a few special cases can't effect the results. Then, if the corn chip eaters are performing badly in school you have proof they are bad. This is not subjective.

Stop trolling, it's getting old.

I'm sorry you being so wrong it's silly, feels like you're being trolled.

It's not random, read up.

I have. Plain idiocy.

Selective memory much? Also, please show me where in the article you give does it mention this.

It was correct in context. I was referring to the effects including decreased grey matter when I made the statement. Sorry bud. In the article it says they lose grey matter.

"Generally accepted NOW because of..."

Hitting your child was ALWAYS ACCEPTED. There were never laws passing stating that you can now hit your child. Laws were passed stating you can't in some areas because it was legal.

I never said it wasn't always accepted LOL? This is your way of skirting my point? Saying "now" was implying that in the future it wouldn't be.

Do you realize the success of asians in education and economic prosperity stems from cultural traditions, primarily discipline. You're undermining my point by exaggerating it.

Firstly, the success of a nation can't be attributed to how they punish children. So your point is invalid. THAT'S subjective. Show me proof if you can.

Drinking bleach for the umpteenth time is about inevitable effects. Why do you keep twisting my point?

I wasn't twisting your point, I was making a separate analogy using the same terms. Keep skirting my points with these tangents.

Hitting your child doesn't solely mean beat it to unconsciousness. You're once again exaggerating.

I never said you beat it unconscious LOL? I said "beating the grey matter out of it" which is the title of the article I linked to. Thought you'd be smart enough to make that connection, but now I realize you probably never read a line of the article and aren't very bright.

 

This will be my last reply to you and on this thread. Your failure to understand what's shown and explained to you is staggering, not to mention the constant jumping of my own points, only to complain about me doing what you're doing.

Just because the gasoline(sleep issues) are bad, it doesn't mean the bleach(hitting) isn't."

Do you know how idiotic this sounds?

"Doesn't mean bleach(hitting) isn't"

Is drinking bleach suppose to be good? That's like me saying, just because smoking(global warming) is bad, it doesn't mean drugs(addictions) are. This is a failsafe analogy that only has one answer. I'm not looking at this straightforward as you are. Once again, I already acknowledged the negative effects, but to retort that, I responded by saying it doesn't inevitably produce bad effects. I'm proof of that. If you cannot wrap this around your miniscule point of view, then there is nothing more for me to say to you.

No it's not LOL. Are you dumb? You just linked articles that say things about sleeping using the same logical methods, so first you're a hypocrite. It's more like feeding one group of kids a specific amount of corn chips and another no corn chips and controlling the other aspects of their life. Then collecting and analyzing the difference between those that did and those that didn't. And this is spread over thousands of people, so in the average a few special cases can't effect the results. Then, if the corn chip eaters are performing badly in school you have proof they are bad. This is not subjective.

How am I a hypocrite? This is pure fact. Lack of sleep produces negative effects. Your mind functions at a fraction of it's full capacity. I just have articles delving deeper into it.

Here is the quote from the article you provided;

Researchers say physical punishment actually alters the brain -- not only in an "I'm traumatized" kind of way but also in an "I literally have less gray matter in my brain" kind of way.

"Exposing children to HCP (harsh corporal punishment) may have detrimental effects on trajectories of brain development," one 2009 study concluded.

This means anything that triggers the same reactionary effect as getting spanked would also result in loss of grey matter, one of which is crying.

The researchers also found "significant correlations" between the amount of gray matter in these brain regions and the children's performance on an IQ test.

They do not expose these significant correlations. It's subjective evidence, not something you can evaluate yourself. Back to my previous point. How would spanking trigger a different effect than crying or getting hurt resulting in loss of grey matter? They do not explain this.

Researchers found children who were regularly spanked had less gray matter in certain areas of the prefrontal cortex that have been linked to depression, addiction and other mental health disorders, the study authors say.

This is very ambiguous. Does this mean the children who got spanked do not have these other problems? Is it only spanking that causes this? How many children fall under this in the research? THIS IS SUBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.

It does give inevitable negative effects to some degree every time. How well a country is doing has very little to nothing to do with forms of punishment. You keep making that connection and it's just flat stupid.

To some degree every time? How is this measured?

This is how most asians kids are raised on the eastern hemisphere of the planet. Hard work ethic, encouraged by discpline. Do you not want me to mention it because it obstructs your idea, thus making it moot?

I never said it wasn't always accepted LOL? This is your way of skirting my point? Saying "now" was implying that in the future it wouldn't be.

It doesn't matter what I compare it to, the point is that just because it's generally accepted now because of misinformation, bias, and lack of information doesn't mean it's right.

"generally accepted now because of misinformation, bias, and lack of information doesn't mean it's right."

Your comment implies that it's now accepted because of lack of information. It's always been accepted. In the areas in which it currently is not, laws have been passed to obstruct it because it was legal. If you said "it's been accepted because", it wouldn't have been so vague.

Firstly, the success of a nation can't be attributed to how they punish children. So your point is invalid. THAT'S subjective. Show me proof if you can.

You're taking it too literally. Discipline is a supporting backbone in the structure of hard work ethic. How does one reach higher education and a positive surplus? Hard work. How does hard work become a country motto? Through strict regimen. There are documentaries on asian culture, you should take a look.

I wasn't twisting your point, I was making a separate analogy using the same terms. Keep skirting my points with these tangents.

The analogy is piss poor. I explain why above.

I never said you beat it unconscious LOL? I said "beating the grey matter out of it" which is the title of the article I linked to. Thought you'd be smart enough to make that connection, but now I realize you probably never read a line of the article and aren't very bright.

I did read the article the first time. "Harsh punishment" is detailed in it. This is how "gray matter is lost".

 

[Jiwi]

Full on punching? naw

But when you're young I think you have to be conditioned to have some sort of moral compass of what is and isn't acceptable

So spanking = yeah sure

 

[Kugo Ginjo]

This will be my last reply to you and on this thread. Your failure to understand what's shown and explained to you is staggering, not to mention the constant jumping of my own points, only to complain about me doing what you're doing.

Great. Stop hearing your retarded argument. LOL. You provide no proof of anything. You attach things to your argument as if they compliment it when they don't. It's silly, really. I've only not addressed your points when it came to the point of impossibility of a cohesive argument because of you blatantly skirting my points. Even then I addressed all your points at a later time.

Do you know how idiotic this sounds?

Because you don't get it haha. It's so obvious every time you respond to this analogy you don't understand my point no matter how many times I break it down to kindergarten level for you.

"Doesn't mean bleach(hitting) isn't"

Is drinking bleach suppose to be good? That's like me saying, just because smoking(global warming) is bad, it doesn't mean drugs(addictions) are. This is a failsafe analogy that only has one answer. I'm not looking at this straightforward as you are. Once again, I already acknowledged the negative effects, but to retort that, I responded by saying it doesn't inevitably produce bad effects. I'm proof of that. If you cannot wrap this around your miniscule point of view, then there is nothing more for me to say to you.

The bleach(hitting) is bad is the point. And just because gasoline(sleep problems) is also bad doesn't negate the fact of the bleach hurting(hitting) you. You aren't proof of anything.

If anything your lack of ability to understand and create a logical argument is a testament to you seeing the negative outcome of being beat.(Joking)

What counts as proof is doing controlled tests that are compared over thousands and then analyzed.

How am I a hypocrite? This is pure fact. Lack of sleep produces negative effects. Your mind functions at a fraction of it's full capacity. I just have articles delving deeper into it.

Because you linked to an article that used the same logic to conclude that sleep affects learning as the article I linked that you said was subjective. Hypocritical.

Here is the quote from the article you provided;

This means anything that triggers the same reactionary effect as getting spanked would also result in loss of grey matter, one of which is crying.

Uh, lol, no it doesn't. Some things might. But not as a rule.

They do not expose these significant correlations. It's subjective evidence, not something you can evaluate yourself. Back to my previous point. How would spanking trigger a different effect than crying or getting hurt resulting in loss of grey matter? They do not explain this.

If you follow the links to the case studies they do. And do a bit more research otherwise.

And they don't need to explain it, they results speak for themselves. It's irrelevant to know why it happens, just that it happens. In this argument at least.

This is very ambiguous. Does this mean the children who got spanked do not have these other problems? Is it only spanking that causes this? How many children fall under this in the research? THIS IS SUBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.

"These other problems"? I'll guess at what you were trying to say. First, asking a bunch of questions you could easily find answers to, doesn't make it subjective. Secondly they found that beating children caused these problems to some degree. Point blank.

To some degree every time? How is this measured?

Yes, read the case study articles.

This is how most asians kids are raised on the eastern hemisphere of the planet. Hard work ethic, encouraged by discpline. Do you not want me to mention it because it obstructs your idea, thus making it moot?

It doesn't obstruct anything. Two other people commented on this thread when you made that point just to call it out as bogus. Because that's what it is, unsubstantiated bogus.

"generally accepted now because of misinformation, bias, and lack of information doesn't mean it's right."

Your comment implies that it's now accepted because of lack of information. It's always been accepted. In the areas in which it currently is not, laws have been passed to obstruct it because it was legal. If you said "it's been accepted because", it wouldn't have been so vague.

Maybe it was a little vague and I can see the confusion, but doesn't diminish my point any. It could have been taken either way, but in the context of the position of my argument it made sense to assume the point I was making.

You're taking it too literally. Discipline is a supporting backbone in the structure of hard work ethic. How does one reach higher education and a positive surplus? Hard work. How does hard work become a country motto? Through strict regimen. There are documentaries on asian culture, you should take a look.

You make this claim but provide no evidence. Not to mention there couldn't be evidence of this because claiming a country is successful from beating their children is downright silly.

The analogy is piss poor. I explain why above.

You're entitled to your opinion. I think your opinion is biased because you don't understand my analogy though. You didn't make a argument against it that would suggest you even knew what it meant.

I did read the article the first time. "Harsh punishment" is detailed in it. This is how "gray matter is lost".

You can pull a couple lines. Still doubt you read it or the case studies.

GL beating your kids buddy. LOL

 

[SmokeHut]

Full on punching? naw

But when you're young I think you have to be conditioned to have some sort of moral compass of what is and isn't acceptable

So spanking = yeah sure

The problem in this topic is that spanking isn't considered. It's implied that you either beat the living shit out of your children, or you don't touch them what-so-ever. The problem is, any logical reasoning for anything in between is disregarded and compared to throwing monkey shit and/or drinking bleach.

 

[Logic]

No point in convincing Ghast that spanking is bad, he was spanked (prolly something even worse) as a child and doesn't want to admit that he is damaged goods.

If you have to use force to make something clear to a child then you are doing it wrong, simple as that. I'm sorry Ghast that your parents were so keen on using force. I'm sorry they were too lazy to explain why something was wrong. I'm sorry your parents were stupid. But I hope you will take the time to explain to your children why they should not do some things and won't rely on using your size and strength to make your case. By beating children all you are telling them is "Do not do that or the giant will hit you", that's it. You are not making them into "better" people.

 

[SmokeHut]

No point in convincing Ghast that spanking is bad, he was spanked (prolly something even worse) as a child and doesn't want to admit that he is damaged goods.

If you have to use force to make something clear to a child then you are doing it wrong, simple as that. I'm sorry Ghast that your parents were so keen on using force. I'm sorry they were too lazy to explain why something was wrong. I'm sorry your parents were stupid. But I hope you will take the time to explain to your children why they should not do some things and won't rely on using your size and strength to make your case. By beating children all you are telling them is "Do not do that or the giant will hit you", that's it. You are not making them into "better" people.

You state your case like;

Child does wrong = Parent beats child

Rather than;

Child does wrong = child is warned
Child does wrong again = child is warned a second time and made aware of physical punishment for it again.
Child does wrong again (x2) = child is spanked and sent to bed for the remainder of the evening.

You can talk like reasoning will work in every scenario. However, it just isn't the case.

 

[ilovegold69]

You state your case like;

Child does wrong = Parent beats child

Rather than;

Child does wrong = child is warned
Child does wrong again = child is warned a second time and made aware of physical punishment for it again.
Child does wrong again (x2) = child is spanked and sent to bed for the remainder of the evening.

You can talk like reasoning will work in every scenario. However, it just isn't the case.

Or you could replace 2 and 3 with non-violent punishments and achieve the same results.

 

[SmokeHut]

Or you could replace 2 and 3 with non-violent punishments and achieve the same results.

Okay I agree, that is a possibility.

However, when the punishment isn't severe is it not likely that the child will grow to know the consequences are futile compared to the joy they get out of being bad?

For example in school I was throwing stones and broke somebodies greenhouse glass. My parents were made aware of it and I was punished as the third category on that list. When I then returned to school, I was questioned by all my friends on the punishment I received which led to a blatant "won't be doing that again!" as opposed to, oh we just had a reasonable conversation about it? I just cannot see how that would've been enough to make me not do it again.


I understand your point, I really do. However, I think a spanking or tap on the hand cannot have any serious impact later on.

Also, I think it is only appropriate when they are "children" spanking when they're teenagers in unnecessary and will lead to the adolescent rebellion against the parent.

EDIT:

A lot of choices I made in my early years were weighing up whether it was worth doing with the consequences. Most things that would be bad, were denied and I'd walk away and let the other kids carry on. As the punishment I'd receive for being caught wasn't worth it.

 

[Csgobuy]

This thread is a joke, how else would your child respect you? here in the middle-east, some parents hit the shit out of their children so they can learn the consequences of what they have done. Well not physically damage them, but a few slaps won't hurt.
On the other hand, in the USA, when a parent hits a teen he can call the police and prison the parents? HAHA i wonder how much you respect your parents there. i love it when teens say "im 18, im free now leave me alone!"
gotta love it

 

[ilovegold69]

This thread is a joke, how else would your child respect you? here in the middle-east, some parents hit the shit out of their children so they can learn the consequences of what they have done. Well not physically damage them, but a few slaps won't hurt.
On the other hand, in the USA, when a parent hits a teen he can call the police and prison the parents? HAHA i wonder how much you respect your parents there. i love it when teens say "im 18, im free now leave me alone!"
gotta love it

Keep insulting the USA when at least there's freedom of speech and we don't execute homosexuals. Please don't post here with this shit.

 

[Csgobuy]

Keep insulting the USA when at least there's freedom of speech and we don't execute homosexuals. Please don't post here with this shit.

Freedom of Speech? Let's try if someone goes out and speaks about the CIA interrogation which involves taking torture to the next level and lets see if he'll be vanished or not. What about classifying Hasan Nasrallah as a terrorist because he defended Lebanon from israel in 2006? Why is it wrong to defend ourselves and we get classified as terrorists! I live in Lebanon and here, we have over 6-7 religions. We can say whatever we want about anything or anyone, even the government, so idk about freedom of speech.
Your media is so shit bro you need to dig deeper than fox/bbc/cnn and see what a shit/cruel country you live in.

Tell me a country at the middle-east where homos are executed

 

[Logic]

Okay I agree, that is a possibility.

However, when the punishment isn't severe is it not likely that the child will grow to know the consequences are futile compared to the joy they get out of being bad?

For example in school I was throwing stones and broke somebodies greenhouse glass. My parents were made aware of it and I was punished as the third category on that list. When I then returned to school, I was questioned by all my friends on the punishment I received which led to a blatant "won't be doing that again!" as opposed to, oh we just had a reasonable conversation about it? I just cannot see how that would've been enough to make me not do it again.


I understand your point, I really do. However, I think a spanking or tap on the hand cannot have any serious impact later on.

Also, I think it is only appropriate when they are "children" spanking when they're teenagers in unnecessary and will lead to the adolescent rebellion against the parent.

EDIT:

A lot of choices I made in my early years were weighing up whether it was worth doing with the consequences. Most things that would be bad, were denied and I'd walk away and let the other kids carry on. As the punishment I'd receive for being caught wasn't worth it.

To me this all comes down to lazy parenting or no parenting. If you do it wrong from the start then at 1 point the child won't respect you enough and the only thing that will help is threats of violence or just violence. Parenting isn't something you think up on the fly, there are clear rules which people should follow. Unfortunately very few people actualy do the research, cause using violence is just that much easier.

 

[SmokeHut]

To me this all comes down to lazy parenting or no parenting. If you do it wrong from the start then at 1 point the child won't respect you enough and the only thing that will help is threats of violence or just violence. Parenting isn't something you think up on the fly, there are clear rules which people should follow. Unfortunately very few people actualy do the research, cause using violence is just that much easier.

However, I was raised this way and had massive amounts of respect for my parents / still do?

 

[PandazOnCrack]

If you are yourself an adult, making a point to a child shouldn't be that hard

 

[yuioplok]

Fuck that, beat his/her ass. That talkin shit don't work, especially where I live at, we need physical discipline around here.

If you are yourself an adult, making a point to a child shouldn't be that hard

What? by taking away their games and tell them to stand in a corner? boo hoo......hell naw, im whoopin that dude/girl's ass. They gonna learn today, yall goin soft on these kids nowadays that's exactly why they disrespectful as hell.