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Jesus lol, you're explaining a contract lawyer how contracts work. Let me give you a quick lesson on this one:

Within every single legal framework that I've heard jurists make a distinction between 'an offer' and 'an invitation to negotiate'. The latter is what's most common on open trading platforms (markets). Offers are generally made for goods that come in numbers and are replaceable (bulks like eggs), whereas invitations to negotiate deal with specific unique objects, such as paintings. In my legal framework, this is known as the Hofland/Hennis doctrine. In other words, a contractual void doesn't per se follow from an invitation to negotiate.

 

So the market should forcefully move towards listing low prices and very shitty ToS to compensate for that? Sounds healthy.

 

2 semesters of commercial law I and II

 

forcefully? people on x site are selling on x site and list their prices.
here, we have to add discords to find prices although it's a marketplace forum.
what's forceful but the fact we HAVE TO JOIN A DISCORD to TRADE!

nothing said about ToS. Don't have to be listed however can be upon making the deal - if their shit, move on. Don't have to accept it or reject it. It's free choice, what's unhealthy? Explain.

 

But even the weigh-off you're trying to make is stupid. Literally the only pro that you're proposing is for buyers not to be forced to join multiple servers (which they'll end up doing anyway, because they'll want to compare ToS anyway). So it in your best case scenario, a couple of clicks are saved - but with all the cons that others and I have already mentioned.

Big denial.

 

Yeah, what I explained is pretty basic, enhancing my point of you not knowing what you're talking about when lecturing others about contracts.

 

PM me on Sythe and I'll send you my prices and TOS, but you won't. You'd rather go the easy route and find someone who has a flashy post and a "price".

 

What makes you think they'll deny ToS?
What does that even have to do with the price being initially stated?
If that's your answer, just make ToS public on description and via Sythe PM.
Therefore removing your point about having to join discords.

A few clicks saved? How about the time wasted? The remember who the fuck you added and why?
You undercut the Pro's for a few Con's that shouldn't even be relevant but "that's the way it is" but "hey, it's a free market - just join discord".
Nah, bullshsit. List prices, it's easy. Your cons don't outweigh it in my opinion.

I've appreciated the debate thus far. You've made a lot of good points I hadn't thought of at all and helped me gain a better understanding.

 

I'd PM you on Sythe, however I don't want to add 10 discords or pm 10 Sythes.. so I'll go with big flashy cock, however prices in description prevent this.

 

welp this "debate" turned into a kid show. cya

 

I didn't mean to lecture you, was just stating the basics of a contract. You can google it and find those results up the top. Was just using it because I feel like 'people' have jumped down my throat for replying too hastily.

 

You're saying I won't PM you because you don't have price listed so I'll go with the seller with big vouches and spent money on marketing. Sure. I and others probably will. We'll have to join his discord and yours to find price. Or just his and go with him.

Or both of you can state your price on Sythe and I can then decide whether to add both because yours may be cheaper? If it's the same price, I may want to shop around?

Doesn't instantly mean I'll go with the cheaper guy, being him - but if so, it was likely with current model.
If I go with him and he has same price as you but more vouches - then so be it, he is a better vendor, you may have to reduce your prices because he can sell for a better price.
that's not undercutting, that's supply-demand.
However you both had an equal opportunity for your ad to be judged without other forces such as me being bothered adding 10 discords.

 

-Offer on Sythe = price + ToS
>Forced to post public price + not requiring the same from ToS-> competition will force sellers to list minimum prices
>Lower prices -> generally worse ToS

-(not your proposal but; ) if you say: post public ToS
>People will just move away from Sythe and do business on discord.

 

why will it force people to list minimum prices if ToS not stated? people will contact you if price is good, develop ToS then. everyone who has good price is getting contacted for their ToS. if they're baiting, that's bad.
What kind of ToS worsening from an example of the most basic trusted sellers do you think will happen, any examples? Please stick of a 99 FM HCIM.
I don't get how people are going to compete on ToS?

How so?
People post public ToS, why are buyers moving away from Sythe?
Why are sellers moving away from Sythe?

Just mainly, can you describe these major ToS flaws that will occur? I don't follow.

 

No price, people may contact you and 10 others for price and negotiate?
Price listed, people may contact you and negotiate?
There's only upside to your reasoning.

If you're in the ballpark, you'll get an offer, or acceptance.
Why do buyers have to play wheres wally with prices?

 

Cause that's all there is to compare on-sight when ToS aren't listed either. Taking into consideration that reputation isn't much of a comparative factor when dealing with all the big boys ofcourse.

People will move away from Sythe if you overcrowd it with rules and requirements. It'll be too much of a headache/bring too many risks and problems and they'll find better alternatives. The core of a free market is that it's free. Supply and demand should bring together sellers and suppliers and overregulating the market has proven to not always be very efficient.

 

OK, now say that Johnny wants a 99 max melee.
The market is only 10 big boys.
It's 10 big boys all auto bumping 'stakers' each 4 hours.
No prices listed (Except Gladiator).
He has to contact them all? How does the buyer differentiate if all have HUGE vouches and trust?
A price wouldn't be ideal?
Answer me that please.

You haven't answered how major the impact on ToS because of prices listed will occur?
Please do that too.

This literally blows ToS out of the water because you know they're all good people who won't scam the 50-130 USD for a staker? Buyers fucked right?

Buyers left with nothing but price to compare with however, must add/contact everyone.
How is this not obvious?

 

Ok so this is where the spoonfeeding comes in. The buyer doesn't have to compare all of those providers and contact them, that's his choice. Just like it's the choice of those sellers to list (or not list) their price. If a seller cares that much about price-listed accounts he can just exclusively buy from Gladiator - so to speak.

Your whole thread is based on the assumption Sythe should be bent in such a way that the seller should be linked to the best offer. That's not the goal of this platform.

 

The goal of this platform is to be used for its intended purposes. I don't see how having to add 10 discords or just go with the only listed price seller isn't more going against the goal of this platform than simply listing a price is ON THE PLATFORM USED. It's not bending Sythe at all, it's already implemented, people do it - my suggestion is to enforce it to prevent having to go elsewhere than this marketplace.

It isn't spoonfeeding, it's literally removing an inconvenience of adding several servers.
Spoonfeeding = the difference between using sythe to find an account build and it's price VS doing the same, no price and then having to add a discord?
You mention people will have to compete on ToS causing flaws????

What major flaws to ToS can occur?

 

Explained the point on ToS already, but will explain it again but with more words:

Right now offers on Sythe consist of price + ToS. Demanding prices to be listed will force providers to distinguish themselves (competition aspect) by listing the lowest prices. This will go at the expense of favorable and fair ToS (general insurance logic; lower prices come with worse conditions).