Life has no logical purpose

[gtdarkpunisher]

You have the words "Religion is Ignorance" in your signature. You know what ignorance is? You having that in your signature. Also, you didn't even read my post, so don't bother. "That's what your god is there for.", when I clearly stated I don't believe in God. I am attempting to say I have respect for those who do believe in God. You have no respect whatsoever, which is Ignorance in itself, so please don't call something other than yourself ignorant with that ignorant comment in your signature.

That last part wasn't specified directly to you but it can. ^_^

No my friend, "Religion is ignorance" is a statement.

I say you stop trying to "say you have respect for others beliefs", you're not helping their position one bit.

I do dare say, my respect for religion has a limit. I don't respect certain aspects, but it still contains some meaningful and helpful advice that can be use universally. I still have no respect for religions in which their teachings and examples are completely absurd. So I admit I don't respect all religions.

 

[Create-Sun]

Self inflected knowledge is just subjective rhetoric, so for anyone to make a blanket statement without supporting data is just talk.

If you believe that life has no logical purpose than why are you still hear wasting space, air and time my friend?

A better statement would be that you cannot figure out or comprehend what purpose life has. At least this would be more accurate.

Life produces for you whatever you believe and focus on so those that choose to have purpose find just that and those that choose to just exist with no purpose have that same luxury.

You only get the ability to define your own life.

The state of ignorance by definition is simply the lack of knowledge concerning a particular situation.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Self inflected knowledge is just subjective rhetoric, so for anyone to make a blanket statement without supporting data is just talk.

If you believe that life has no logical purpose than why are you still hear wasting space, air and time my friend?

A better statement would be that you cannot figure out or comprehend what purpose life has. At least this would be more accurate.

Life produces for you whatever you believe and focus on so those that choose to have purpose find just that and those that choose to just exist with no purpose have that same luxury.

You only get the ability to define your own life.

The state of ignorance by definition is simply the lack of knowledge concerning a particular situation.

The first bold part has been said plenty of times in different ways. ^_^

About ignorance, you're correct. Do you see how religion is ignorance?

 

[The Don Kiluminati]

Can you explain to me how religion is not ignorance? Religion does not have a belief system with any sort of method to explain it's validity. Religion forces you to rely on "faith". Blind faith = ignorance. Just because he did not go about saying it in the most respectful manner does not make him "ignorant". You need to get it through your thick skull that ignorance and respect are NOT the same word. We've explained to you time and time again that we're not trying to be disrespectful, but your own ignorance has not allowed you to see that. The guy you quoted was not in on the original arguments so I don't get how you're using him as a way to back up your original argument that we're being ignorant/disrespectful.

Try looking at it from their shoes, for most of them it's "yes this is what I believe" not "I think".

Also, not everyone believes in something because "our parents believed it so I am going to be loyal and believe the religion they believed". Many people come to their own conclusion through their own intellectual means in saying, "yes, this is the truth, this is what I believe". You don't get people giving all their wealth to charity or willing to lay down their life for something that's "blind faith" to them.

I think your making light of the word "faith".

 

[Trinity19]

Try looking at it from their shoes, for most of them it's "yes this is what I believe" not "I think".

Also, not everyone believes in something because "our parents believed it so I am going to be loyal and believe the religion they believed". Many people come to their own conclusion through their own intellectual means in saying, "yes, this is the truth, this is what I believe". You don't get people giving all their wealth to charity or willing to lay down their life for something that's "blind faith" to them.

I think your making light of the word "faith".

Faith is what it is. Faith is the belief in something that you can't factually prove otherwise it would be truth and knowledge. Which is all fine and good if you're talking about such things as "I have faith in johnny that he will make it by 7" or "I hope they don't spit in my food" however when you get to the subject of saying something is real and using faith as an instance for it, then it gets rediculous.

"I have faith in gods existence" is much different than "I know god exists". Now many theists can't back up the second claim so they will say the first and use it in the same way the second phrase is stated.

Now through probability is there some atomically minuscule chance of god existing? Well theres a chance for anything to be possible. However we have to use our basic human senses and logic to go with reason.

Say I have a 5,000,000 sided dice, and on each and every one of the separate sides there is the number "0" placed on them. However someone tells you the one side thats placed against the ground has a "1" on it and that it proven by 5 other sides having "1"s on them.

Now yes it's hard to believe but not impossible.

Now what if you went to every one of those 5 sides and saw that they were infact "0"s not "1"s? This would lower the chance of it being a "1".

So in the end the only thing you have that says it's a "1" is the person's word who said it was. His evidence was proven false for his own reasoning, but he has "Faith" it's a 1.

I guarantee in this situation almost noone that uses their basic problem solving skills would believe it's a "1". Yet if we apply this process to god people still blindly follow the man saying it's a "1".

 

[ShockWaveee]

Try looking at it from their shoes, for most of them it's "yes this is what I believe" not "I think".

Also, not everyone believes in something because "our parents believed it so I am going to be loyal and believe the religion they believed". Many people come to their own conclusion through their own intellectual means in saying, "yes, this is the truth, this is what I believe". You don't get people giving all their wealth to charity or willing to lay down their life for something that's "blind faith" to them.

I think your making light of the word "faith".

I am looking at it from their shoes. Just because they truly do believe something is factual does not make it factual. I can believe in all of my being that the moon is made of cheese, but it is not.

I am willing to put down my life on betting that what you're brought up to believe has much more of an impact on your future than you seem to think. If you're taught from a very young age that God made the Earth, the stars, us, and everything else, you tend to go along with it. You've always known it to be true, kids DO believe what their parents tell them, so they've grown up with the bias that they cannot possibly be wrong, and that the counter evidence is merely God testing them. If you put a child into a neutral environment with no question of where we came from, whether it be religious or scientific, until they are at an age where they can logically make decisions for themselves, I am willing to bet that the overwhelming majority would go for the more rational/logical explanation, which is science. Science has a lot of supporting evidence to back up the claims it makes, whereas religion really does not. You can't support something with itself. It just doesn't work. I'm not trying to tell you religion is inherently wrong, but the more rational of the two is pretty much undeniably science.. and if you're never taught to think in fantasy, you need not worry about matters such as God. I find it hard to believe you can REALLY think that bringing a kid up with the notion that we are undeniably God's children and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar is allowing them to come to their own conclusions in any kind of "intelligent" manner. Also, blind faith is faith. Faith itself is believing in something, despite a lack of evidence. Religion is exactly that. If the wording offends you, I am sorry to have insulted your beliefs, but I tell it how it is.

 

[Revolight]

I agree that life is meaningless. Welcome to Nihilism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Intelligence only leads to stupidity and the shunning of nature. Not only have humans thought up the concept of religion (completely retarded and false), we also have made a select peoples' lives "easier" with technology, while making other's lives harder and destroying the Earth at the same time. We have also strayed off the natural way. If we were "stupid" and had an animalistic mind, the Earth would still be pristine and life would be relatively at peace.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

I agree that life is meaningless. Welcome to Nihilism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

Intelligence only leads to stupidity and the shunning of nature. Not only have humans thought up the concept of religion (completely retarded and false), we also have made a select peoples' lives "easier" with technology, while making other's lives harder and destroying the Earth at the same time. We have also strayed off the natural way. If we were "stupid" and had an animalistic mind, the Earth would still be pristine and life would be relatively at peace.

Intelligence and stupidity are opposites so one cannot lead to the other.
Religion, especially if it is false, is an absolutely genius concept. Many psychologists in the past have argued that humans only had the capacity to invent such a genius code of morals and purpose because the human has trouble committing any actions without an absolute purpose.
Your theory about the failings of intelligence is quite ridiculous; how would life be relatively at peace if we had animalistic minds? The human, without sharp teeth or massive power, would live in fear of other beasts constantly without foods. Many of us would die as children because of our lack to protect ourselves. I don't think many would appreciate that lifestyle, hiding in the tree from the incoming tiger, compared to sitting in a hotel suite 50 stories off the ground surrounded by other civilized humans...

 

[duetzFanz1]

I think everyone has some sort of mission in life. Some may invent a new technology or ideas like Benjamin Franklin. Others may want to help the sick. Some may find God to be part of their and others may not. Everyone's life will be different but it all has meaning.

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[Revolight]

Intelligence and stupidity are opposites so one cannot lead to the other.
Religion, especially if it is false, is an absolutely genius concept. Many psychologists in the past have argued that humans only had the capacity to invent such a genius code of morals and purpose because the human has trouble committing any actions without an absolute purpose.
Your theory about the failings of intelligence is quite ridiculous; how would life be relatively at peace if we had animalistic minds? The human, without sharp teeth or massive power, would live in fear of other beasts constantly without foods. Many of us would die as children because of our lack to protect ourselves. I don't think many would appreciate that lifestyle, hiding in the tree from the incoming tiger, compared to sitting in a hotel suite 50 stories off the ground surrounded by other civilized humans...

Because we are intelligent, we are actually destroying ourselves, other lifeforms, and Earth. Without intelligence, drugs, guns, nukes, pollution, money, etc. wouldn't exist.

You say people don't do things without purpose. You are correct. The problem is, greed, hate, jealousy, prejudice, are all purposes as well. Look at religion today. There are so many corrupt priests and people who do it for fame and fortune. And the number of Atheists and religion abusers are always increasing.

You say life wouldn't be at peace if we were more primitive. Life as nature intended isn't supposed to be all happy, sitting inside a skyscraper sipping champagne. It's all about survival of the fittest, and the circle of life that recycles everything. Furthermore, you're only at peace because you live in a first-world country. What if you lived in Africa, North Korea, Middle East?

That's what modern society had done to you, and other first-world inhabitants. You can't imagine life without your comfortable surroundings. You say humans can't defend for themselves without modern inventions. How do you think the cavemen and the predecessors survived? By praying to their gods?

Granted, human intelligence has unstoppable progress. But it doesn't necessarily help in the long run.

This is only my viewpoint, not what I support.
I like this modern-day society, only because pleasure is so easily attainable. And I could care less if humans are destroying themselves. I'm a Nihilist.

 

[ytrewq]

Thesis: Life has no purpose (that can be understood by current human logic)
1. For life to have a purpose, it must be more than what we experience on the earth.
2. For life to be more than we experience on earth, there must be a higher being (or power).
2. For there to be a higher being, the higher being must have been created (presumably from a higher being).
3. Under current logic, something cannot be created out of nothing.
4. Therefore, there is no possible "highest" power
5. Therefore, there is no ultimate purpose in life.
6. mindfuck

What gives life purpose. Do you agree with the logic prescribed above? Discuss.

1. I don't necessarily agree with it, but try existentialism.
2nd 2. This logic does a better job of promoting a higher power than disproving it. Invoking a higher power allows supernatural events, e.g. something out of nothing. A naturalistic view does not allow for this, and has no explanation for where it all started.
3. See 2

 

[malakadang]

Because we are intelligent, we are actually destroying ourselves, other lifeforms, and Earth. Without intelligence, drugs, guns, nukes, pollution, money, etc. wouldn't exist.

Humans have an inherent process called 'volition'.

Intelligence isn't itself bad, nor is it necessarily good, it can be used for both good and bad purposes. However, no one will deny that they would rather be intelligent than stupid.

With volition in regards to intelligence, yes, it creates all the atrocities of the world around us, however, intelligence has created the idea of God. It has created the idea of democracy. It has created the idea of humans rights. It has created morality. Intelligence, reason, and logic all intertwine with one another, and are the most powerful tool all humans have at their disposal, whether they use it for good or evil is regulated by human volition.

You say people don't do things without purpose. You are correct. The problem is, greed, hate, jealousy, prejudice, are all purposes as well. Look at religion today. There are so many corrupt priests and people who do it for fame and fortune. And the number of Atheists and religion abusers are always increasing.

Human Nature.

You say life wouldn't be at peace if we were more primitive. Life as nature intended isn't supposed to be all happy, sitting inside a skyscraper sipping champagne. It's all about survival of the fittest, and the circle of life that recycles everything. Furthermore, you're only at peace because you live in a first-world country. What if you lived in Africa, North Korea, Middle East?

Humans have deviated from natural selection and evolution. So what nature intended for us originally, isn't relevant anymore. If you lived in those other countries, it's because the masses let it happen.

That's what modern society had done to you, and other first-world inhabitants. You can't imagine life without your comfortable surroundings. You say humans can't defend for themselves without modern inventions. How do you think the cavemen and the predecessors survived? By praying to their gods?

We've evolved that way.
Cavemen where accustomed to the lifestyle they live.
We are accustomed to the lifestyle we live.
Putting a caveman in our lifestyle, and us in theirs is futile, it would be cruel to both.

Granted, human intelligence has unstoppable progress. But it doesn't necessarily help in the long run.

The same argument with a gun.
A gun is neither good nor bad, it is contingent on what you use it for. The same holds for intelligence.

This is only my viewpoint, not what I support.
I like this modern-day society, only because pleasure is so easily attainable. And I could care less if humans are destroying themselves. I'm a Nihilist.

Also it seems a hedonist.

 

[Revolight]

Also it seems a hedonist.

Correct. I believe hedonism stems from nihilism; since life has no meaning, why not enjoy it?

 

[oxodium]

The first thought that comes to mind when anybody poses this question to me is ' To reproduce '.

You could argue that there is no 'sole' purpose for us being here on earth. There are many things we can do to give our lives meaning, build a family-raise them, helping others etc.

Having thought about this for a while, I believe our purpose is to survive, as with other creatures that have a conscious mind.

If I decided to accept your logic, I'd be living in a very miserable world.
Should I follow that route further, I have no doubt that I would finish at the 'Brain in the Vat' arguement.

 

[Trinity19]

The first thought that comes to mind when anybody poses this question to me is ' To reproduce '.

You could argue that there is no 'sole' purpose for us being here on earth. There are many things we can do to give our lives meaning, build a family-raise them, helping others etc.

Having thought about this for a while, I believe our purpose is to survive, as with other creatures that have a conscious mind.

If I decided to accept your logic, I'd be living in a very miserable world.
Should I follow that route further, I have no doubt that I would finish at the 'Brain in the Vat' arguement.

Unfortunately as I've stated the meaning of life is to die, so the bolded section is the problematic situation many try to evade.