Why Christianity

You really seem to be missing the point. If a God is omnipotent, he would defy the logic that he could make something so heavy he couldnt lift it. That is what omnipotence is. You're applying logic to something that defies logic, so how could I possibly apply logic to you're illogical statement.

 

No, you seem to be missing the point, why would god in a situation that would rid him of his omnipotence act upon it? In brings the contradiction of how can he be omnipotent if doing so would make him not?

If you cannot answer that and your only reply is that god can defy logic then don't bother answering because that answer holds no value.

 

Think about it..theres essentially 2 things you can do during your life
Believe and Not believe
And at the end of life theres 2 different endings
There is a GOD or there ISNT

Now if you believe in god and there is a god..
Your reward is eternal life, your loss is nothing

Now if you believe in god and there is NO god..
Your reward is nothing, your loss is nothing

now if you DONT believe in god and there IS a god
Your reward is Eternal Damnnation, your loss is eternal life

Now if you DONT believe in god and there ISNT a god
Your reward is nothing, your loss is nothing..

Hope this helps you make a choice.

 

In my brother's religion, that is not the case. Also it's very common that people will believe the core principals of god but make exceptions for certain principals that don't make sense to them.

You seem to be assuming that I'm the one who brings up the discussion about god.

Many people believe this basic idea. I'd like to see who your giving so much credit to.

That's one of the best arguments I've seen. It's impossible to prove god does not exist [russel's teapot theory]. It does disprove fundamental Christian beliefs although .

SFA is for intelligent debate. Technically your post is spam, because it's not logical and defies reason.

 

Fixed.

 

Again I'm going to say, MOST RELIGIONS HAVE YOU DAMNED IF YOU just believe so you can gain the afterlife reward.

 

I myself am a Christian and i do believe, But the thing i never got was when you pass on what form will you take in the after life...Not everyone dies at the same point in time...So we all will be diffrent ages up there? some old some young? That is what i seek the answer too

 

Not only that, but his statement of logic is completely relative to our physical world. Because we don't have the slightest understanding of anything except our physical world (or what we interpret as our physical world), how could we possibly challenge the idea of omnipotence with something as trivial as weight?

 

Since this section is for intellectual discussions and we could only provide logical arguments to the any topic; any argument trying to prove anything or any idea of other dimensions or in this case religious beliefs, more specifically God, which we have no proof or understanding for as you say; cannot prove or disprove God to the other since one who believes in God believes he "defies" logic, so arguing would be useless and the result is what just happened....back and forth posting. One saying his argument isn't logical while the other says logic is out of the question for God. So as for this:

"how could we possibly challenge the idea of omnipotence with something as trivial as weight"

It doesn't matter, you're going on the belief God exist and is omnipotent; accepting the idea as true. Therefore neither you or anyone can hold any argument against or supporting the existence of an omnipotent God. You're presenting something "hypothetical" technically that can only be proven or disproved until we somehow see this God and his powers.

 

Yes, but I can prove that something or someone that defies all logic exists. I can prove that by using the beginning of the universe as an example. Truth is, it doesn't matter what you believe, the one undeniable fact is that the 'beginning' or the 'creation' was a process that defies and will always defy the idea of logic. According to logic, you can't create something out of nothing. Our Universe didn't create itself, so it defies logic. So, something or someone that defies all reason and logic created our universe. I believe it's Yahweh, but thats just my belief.

 

Just to be sure, are you implying that the matter of our universe was trasformed, not created, by the law of conservation?

 

As Sythe said, that's your belief.

Saying something that is illogical to prove something existed isn't proving nothing.

Since the universe exist for a fact but since we don't know how it came to existence it does not mean its proven wrong. God on the other hand is purely belief in his existence while if he exist he is a paradox, but that's not proof as you are using it in your case since there no solid proof for his existence. Its still hypothetically speaking of his existence

Hes not implying the universe is transformed. He's explaining why you can't prove God exist with what you said above.

 

I didn't make that statement to prove God exists, I made that statement to prove illogical concepts are proven to exist. I will make a new post with further detail as soon as I do more research

 

Tell your brother that his omniscient God will know his motives and damn him for it. Really not that hard a thing to understand. This is a centuries old wager with centuries old rebuttals.

Dammit Sythe you beat me to it.

Everybody, please stop assuming the Universe had a beginning. If it's so easy for you to conceptualize a God who exists on an infinite time-line, it should not be too difficult to wrap your head around the concept of an infinite Universe.

 

Not quite, it requires the matte itself to have existed in some form indefinitely. There can be other explanations for this. Obviously the universe can't have existed forever or else the sky would always be bright and there would be no night.

 

Proof or gtfo?
You argument is as logical as this one: 'Obviously bananas have only been around for 26 years because they aren't purple.'

Also, by "universe" do you mean the entire world or only the universe Earth is in (there may be many universes)