Ex-Staff 2FA Requirement

Yeah, you're right. Fuck the minority. Fuck every single one of them. We can easily take them! Why should we care about the minority any ways? There are more of us, there's nothing they can do about it so fuck them right? ...right?


NO! Of course not you blabbering idiot! If there's a "minority" for whom this is not an option, we look for an alternative! What the hell is wrong with you, do you not have any morals at all ?! You're quite literally dismissing the concerns of other people because there are fewer of them! I am absolutely appalled by your acts of exclusivism.


I wonder what you'd be saying if you were a part of this "minority". But that's it, isn't it? You're not. You want to be, but you're not. Accept it already and instead of trying to take this rank away from others, try to look for an alternative solution.

Let's put it to a vote then?

why is this even an argument? if you're going to have a powerful position, isn't it proper that you have the right security protocols to accompany it? 2FA isn't much to ask for...

A wise man once said..

"Common sense is not so common."

 

Let's put it to a vote then?

Put what up to a vote? The majority versus the minority, as laptop so elegantly put it ? Or the request to look for an alternative before making rash decisions and forcing this system onto a lot of people just so they can receive at least some recognition for the work they've put into this forum?

 

[Laptop65]

Yeah, you're right. Fuck the minority. Fuck every single one of them. We can easily take them! Why should we care about the minority any ways? There are more of us, there's nothing they can do about it so fuck them right? ...right?


NO! Of course not you blabbering idiot! If there's a "minority" for whom this is not an option, we look for an alternative! What the hell is wrong with you, do you not have any morals at all ?! You're quite literally dismissing the concerns of other people because there are fewer of them! I am absolutely appalled by your acts of exclusivism.


I wonder what you'd be saying if you were a part of this "minority". But that's it, isn't it? You're not. You want to be, but you're not. Accept it already and instead of trying to take this rank away from others, try to look for an alternative solution.

I said the minority because lots of ex-staff getting their accounts compromised and used to scam with no 2FA is worse than than one or two ex-staff accounts being used because all ex-staff were told to activate 2FA (or, provide a very reasonable argument to not activate it, I can't think of any to this).

There's been suggestions in the past where some have said no to, but the majority yes. Those suggestions were approved and the users who said no didn't post any problems with it at all.

Well no of course I'm not if I was part of the minority, because I would just activate 2FA on my phone or do it on my damn computer, that's why.

 

I said the minority because lots of ex-staff getting their accounts compromised and used to scam with no 2FA is worse than than one or two ex-staff accounts being used because all ex-staff were told to activate 2FA (or, provide a very reasonable argument to not activate it, I can't think of any to this).

How about updating Sythe's security systems instead ? You know, like the captcha that was implemented against brute-forcing...I don't think I've seen a single ex-mod hacked since.

There's been suggestions in the past where some have said no to, but the majority yes. Those suggestions were approved and the users who said no didn't post any problems with it at all.

What suggestions? What are you even talking about.

Well no of course I'm not if I was part of the minority, because I would activate 2FA on my phone or do it on my damn computer, that's why.

So if you were a part of the minority ex-mods that can't, not won't, but can't use 2FA...your solution is to activate 2FA...?!

 

[Laptop65]

How about updating Sythe's security systems instead ? You know, like the captcha that was implemented against brute-forcing...I don't think I've seen a single ex-mod hacked since.

The site has defences against brute-forcing, the tech admins aren't dumb.

What suggestions? What are you even talking about.

Suggestions in general on Sythe.

So if you were a part of the minority ex-mods that can't, not won't, but can't use 2FA...your solution is to activate 2FA...?!

On your computer, yes. Activating 2FA is better than no 2FA in any case.

 

Put what up to a vote? The majority versus the minority, as laptop so elegantly put it ? Or the request to look for an alternative before making rash decisions and forcing this system onto a lot of people just so they can receive at least some recognition for the work they've put into this forum?

Runescape does it and it has worked so far. Many Ivy Tech committees and organizations think 75% is a good threshold to pass a motion.

75% Yes votes to inaugurate the policy sounds fair to me. Why should we cater to the minority over the majority in the event that the majority is overwhelmingly in favor of the policy? It doesn't make sense logically.

 

Runescape does it and it has worked so far. Many Ivy Tech committees and organizations think 75% is a good threshold to pass a motion.

75% Yes votes to inaugurate the policy. Sounds fair to me. Why should we cater to the minority over the majority in the event that the majority is overwhelmingly in favor of the policy? It doesn't make sense logically.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that a vote, even if my preferred outcome is not reached, would be fair.

However, I also believe a vote should not be pushed until alternatives have been discussed. And that's exactly what laptop is NOT doing. He's simply ignoring everyone that doesn't agree with him. And rather than leaving it be, like most others out here, I'm actively making a stand as I believe this kind of behaviour should never be tolerated by anyone.

The site has defences against brute-forcing, the tech admins aren't dumb.

Does now, yes.

Suggestions in general on Sythe.

Are you actually trying to say that nobody has ever complained after a suggestion has passed/failed ?!

If so, since you're pulling numbers out of your ass, you might as well try and go for that stick that's lodged so deeply up there.

On your computer, yes. Activating 2FA is better than no 2FA in any case.

I completely agree, and sight is better than being blind. It's just not a possibility for everyone I am afraid.

 

[Laptop65]

Does now, yes.

Always has I believe, would be crazy if it had only just been put in.

Are you actually trying to say that nobody has ever complained after a suggestion has passed/failed ?!

If so, since you're pulling numbers out of your ass, you might as well try and go for that stick that's lodged so deeply up there.

That number has been pretty small to be honest. (I hope you are not referring to the idiotic suggestions / feedback threads x339 had going a few years back).

I completely agree, and sight is better than being blind. It's just not a possibility for everyone I am afraid.

Ok, so why can't you activate it on your computer again?

 

[King Neuro]

Let's put it to a vote then?



A wise man once said..

"Common sense is not so common."

oh thats nice, i ask a serious question and you reply with this? sounds like you shouldn't even try to be apart of the decision making here.

 

Always has I believe, would be crazy if it had only just been put in.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

That number has been pretty small to be honest. (I hope you are not referring to the idiotic suggestions / feedback threads x339 had going a few years back).

So once again, because it's a small number of people, you ignore them. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Ok, so why can't you activate it on your computer again?

erm, what ?

 

oh thats nice, i ask a serious question and you reply with this? sounds like you shouldn't even try to be apart of the decision making here.

It was a serious answer, it's a (in)famous quote commenting on how retarded everyone is, ironic you missed on that one




James, I'm not sure why you're so vehemently against this suggestion. You and I are both former staff and we know that 2FA takes seconds to set up. It's not like you'd be stripped of your rank forever or anything, it's literally just a matter of making sythe safer for the common rabble that wouldn't think to check to see if one has been active in the market recently. They aren't knowledgeable on the market and we should all sympathize as majority of us were scammed our first time dealing in the market here. Since when is safety a bad thing? This is already common practice for OMMs too.

 

oh thats nice, i ask a serious question and you reply with this? sounds like you shouldn't even try to be apart of the decision making here.

It was a serious answer, it's a (in)famous quote commenting on how retarded everyone is, ironic you missed on that one

How someone can miss that is beyond me..

Don't get me wrong. I agree that a vote, even if my preferred outcome is not reached, would be fair.

However, I also believe a vote should not be pushed until alternatives have been discussed. And that's exactly what laptop is NOT doing. He's simply ignoring everyone that doesn't agree with him. And rather than leaving it be, like most others out here, I'm actively making a stand as I believe this kind of behaviour should never be tolerated by anyone.

Alternatives are usually brought up when a poll fails. What alternatives do you have in mind, because there is nothing I can think of besides having all ex staff members activate 2fa.

 

[Laptop65]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Uh huh...

So once again, because it's a small number of people, you ignore them. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Majaority beats minority here, I'd rather see a very small - possibly 0 ex-staff accounts compromised rather than loads compromised because there was no 2FA requirement.

erm, what ?

Uh... so you have it activated, but you're still complaining???

 

[Anet390]

What's stopping Sythe from requiring 2-step in order to complete trades or at least for ones over a certain value? Wouldn't this solve a handful of problems?

 

[Superfluous]

What's stopping Sythe from requiring 2-step in order to complete trades or at least for ones over a certain value? Wouldn't this solve a handful of problems?

restricts the market and therefore won't get approved. also, there's no good way to implement this as of yet. you're not gonna get a popup that says "whoa there, it looks like you're trying to trade over $50 - please enter your 2fa code here!"

 

[CompileTime]

What's stopping Sythe from requiring 2-step in order to complete trades or at least for ones over a certain value? Wouldn't this solve a handful of problems?

This would only ensure that the users in the trade were not hacked.
People could still scam, and like Super pointed out, efficiently implementing this isn't feasible.

Also, I personally am not a fan of imposing market restrictions in order to protect stupid people.
Stupid people will end up getting scammed, one way or the other, it's just a matter of time.

 

[SkullPi]

You're a clueless person, Suf. I'm convinced you're a troll at this point. Ex-Moderator isn't given out for fun, just like departed war veterans aren't given the Ex-Servicemen title for fun. It's to show their contribution, and in this case, to the site as a frontline mediator.



Where is the Ex Moderator rank? You said it was a fun rank, no?

If you're comparing the ex-moderator rank to an ex-serviceman, then it should be optional to require the 2FA.

What you're saying is you're going to take away someones "badge" for being an ex-moderator, just because they refuse to authenticate their account with some security feature on the site. With that being said, does the US or any other country take away someones badge, flag, patch or any other proof of them being a veteran from an ex-war solider if they refuse to go to VA or retire? I don't think so.

What a lousy comparison, but if you're using that, then well.. in real life, once a veteran you're always one, so once an ex-moderator, you're always one?..

 

If you're comparing the ex-moderator rank to an ex-serviceman, then it should be optional to require the 2FA.

What you're saying is you're going to take away someones "badge" for being an ex-moderator, just because they refuse to authenticate their account with some security feature on the site. With that being said, does the US or any other country take away someones badge, flag, patch or any other proof of them being a veteran from an ex-war solider if they refuse to go to VA or retire? I don't think so.

What a lousy comparison, but if you're using that, then well.. in real life, once a veteran you're always one, so once an ex-moderator, you're always one?..

Do Ex-Servicemen need to activate 2fa? Lol.. I was comparing the titles in their value. I swear the lack of logic and common sense in this thread is unbelievable.

 

If you're comparing the ex-moderator rank to an ex-serviceman, then it should be optional to require the 2FA.

What you're saying is you're going to take away someones "badge" for being an ex-moderator, just because they refuse to authenticate their account with some security feature on the site. With that being said, does the US or any other country take away someones badge, flag, patch or any other proof of them being a veteran from an ex-war solider if they refuse to go to VA or retire? I don't think so.

What a lousy comparison, but if you're using that, then well.. in real life, once a veteran you're always one, so once an ex-moderator, you're always one?..

Ex serviceman can't be hacked and used to scam people on sythe.org can it?

 

[Laptop65]

Can we get some more staff (possibly admin) input on this now? I think there's been plenty of discussion on it, the advantages clearly outweigh the (very minor) disadvantages.