Ex-Staff 2FA Requirement

[Xier0]

An active market user is more likely to pay back scammed funds if their account is used to hack, whilst an inactive ex-staff may not pay them back as they have no interest in the site anymore. That's why it is important for ex-staff to have security on their account, if they are inactive and get hacked, they may not pay it back. An active market user would because they make money off the site and would want to continue doing that.

Not an argument. Inactive donors, inactive accounts with early join dates, or high post counts, or lots of vouches all fall under this as well.

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It's not being forced

Does anyone have a better solution then other than forcing it?

Way to misrepresent in your argument in literally opposite ways to others whenever it's best for you.

Not why ex-staff are solely the ones being targeted here. A lot of users have been hacked and had their profiles used to scam someone else. Removing their ex-mod/ex-admin rank doesn't make it impossible for a hacker to scam with their profile.... Also since most if not all of the 2FA apps require some sort of mobile device such as a smart phone, assuming that all ex-staff ranked members of the website don't already have one, they shouldn't be required to spend money on one just to maintain a rank they earned via contributing to the website..

Yousuck summed it up nicely.

 

Ex-staff do not have any of the powers that staff do, this is a meaningless comparison.

Once again you fail to comprehend what I detailed. I'm guessing the part of the rank holding high stature completely flew over your head. Who mentioned anything about powers? That is irrelevant. The rank itself holds reverence, and many who do hold the rank are inactive market participants. They would be doing themselves a favor by enabling 2fa.

Irrelevant, and also wrong.

Are you going for post count or what? Care to explain what I'm wrong about?

Account security is the responsibility of the account owner. If I made my password "1234" and disabled my 2FA, and got hacked, I'm the one responsible for it. It doesn't affect "everyone".

Are you not getting the premise behind this whole thread? This isn't about the security of anyone else, but ex moderators who hold the rank. I already reiterated why the rank is important, but it seems you fail to acknowledge its substance.

Moving the goalposts. First it was a "Compromise", now it's a demand?

When a rule is in full effect, is it a request, or a demand? I'm talking about post installment.

Loving the one line responses with little to no detail btw.

 

[Laptop65]

Not an argument. Inactive donors, inactive accounts with early join dates, or high post counts, or lots of vouches all fall under this as well.

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Way to misrepresent in your argument in literally opposite ways to others whenever it's best for you.

Just because one or two make some argument for them not to have it does not mean it should not be implemented in for the rest of the ex-staff.

Any legitimate ex-staff member would enable 2FA, regardless whether it is a requirement or not as they know it is for the best.

 

[Xier0]

Once again you fail to comprehend what I detailed. I'm guessing the part of the rank holding high stature completely flew over your head. Who mentioned anything about powers? That is irrelevant. The rank itself holds reverence, and many who do hold the rank are inactive market participants. They would be doing themselves a favor by enabling 2fa.
Are you not getting the premise behind this whole thread? This isn't about the security of anyone else, but ex moderators who hold the rank. I already reiterated why the rank is important, but it seems you fail to acknowledge its substance.

Already been addressed:

Inactive donors, inactive accounts with early join dates, or high post counts, or lots of vouches all fall under this as well.

Removing their ex-mod/ex-admin rank doesn't make it impossible for a hacker to scam with their profile...

 

Already been addressed:

Those are nowhere near on the same magnitude as an ex-moderator rank. If you believe so, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[Punjabi3]

I don't know about other ex-mods but I've been asked before if I could middleman $500-$1000 trades without even offering a service. The rank does influence a lot on this forum and there's no way to change that. It's just a preventitive measure and although ex-mods don't have any powers the hacker of an ex-mod still has the ability to apply for staff, enable 2F on the account, easily trade by simply stating ex-mod in title and scam more than the average user. Considering its a requirement for OMM I wouldnt mind it being one for ex-mods.

 

[SuF]

Why do people care so much about the most unimportant things? Literally a security requirement for a fun rank. "Fun" rank. "Fun".

 

Why do people care so much about the most unimportant things? Literally a security requirement for a fun rank. "Fun" rank. "Fun".

The rank isn't given out for fun, so how would it qualify as a fun rank?

 

[Laptop65]

Why do people care so much about the most unimportant things? Literally a security requirement for a fun rank. "Fun" rank. "Fun".

The rank isn't given out for fun, so how would it qualify as a fun rank?

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Ex-staff ranks are not fun ranks SuF...

 

[SuF]

The rank isn't given out for fun, so how would it qualify as a fun rank?

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Ex-staff ranks are not fun ranks SuF...

It most certainly is given out for fun. There is no reason that ex staff actually need the rank. It is just something nice for them to have. Removing them would have no detrimental effect. You people seem to just love whining.

 

It most certainly is given out for fun. There is no reason that ex staff actually need the rank. It is just something nice for them to have. Removing them would have no detrimental effect. You people seem to just love whining.

You're a clueless person, Suf. I'm convinced you're a troll at this point. Ex-Moderator isn't given out for fun, just like departed war veterans aren't given the Ex-Servicemen title for fun. It's to show their contribution, and in this case, to the site as a frontline mediator.

Welcome to Sythe.org!

Fun ranks

These ranks are awarded to users by the administration team for contribution and service to Sythe. In rare occasions, they may be incentives for competitions.
Do not ask for a fun-rank.

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Where is the Ex Moderator rank? You said it was a fun rank, no?

 

[SuF]

You're a clueless person, Suf. I'm convinced you're a troll at this point. Ex-Moderator isn't given out for fun, just like departed war veterans aren't given the Ex-Servicemen title for fun. It's to show their contribution, and in this case, to the site as a frontline mediator.



Where is the Ex Moderator rank? You said it was a fun rank, no?

You are just being a retarded pedantic troll. Please learn to read what you quote at me so you can realize it proves my point.

These ranks are awarded to users by the administration team for contribution and service to Sythe. In rare occasions, they may be incentives for competitions.

 

You are just being a retarded pedantic troll. Please learn to read what you quote at me so you can realize it proves my point.

That's what they're given FOR. That doesn't make the rank a "fun" rank by association, same with OMM. I clearly detailed why the rank is given out, and you completely misconstrue it in an attempt to find an absurd correlation.

These ranks are awarded to users by the administration team for contribution and service to Sythe. In rare occasions, they may be incentives for competitions.

You don't give the rank out for competitions. It's inconceivable that you cannot find the distinction between the two.

Arguing to you about this is a waste of my time. The rank is not a fun rank, and neither is OMM. OMM requires you to have 2fa, so why shouldn't Ex-Mods with the rank? You would be lying to yourself if you don't think they have the same level of stature, if not more for ex moderators, especially for a forum like this. If anyone is finding a reason to whine, it's the opposers in this case. This is a good suggestion, and the sticklers are finding a reason to obstruct it's motion.

 

[SuF]

That's what they're given FOR. That doesn't make the rank a "fun" rank by association, same with OMM. I clearly detailed why the rank is given out, and you completely misconstrue it in an attempt to find an absurd correlation.



You don't give the rank out for competitions. It's inconceivable that you cannot find the distinction between the two.

Arguing to you about this is a waste of my time. The rank is not a fun rank, and neither is OMM. OMM requires you to have 2fa, so why shouldn't Ex-Mods with the rank? You would be lying to yourself if you don't think they have the same level of stature, if not more for ex moderators, especially for a forum like this. If anyone is finding a reason to whine, it's the opposers in this case. This is a good suggestion, and the sticklers are finding a reason to obstruct it's motion.

You are obviously a troll. Highly Trusted is by far the rank that denotes the most trust. Only a handful of people have EVER had it and it is listed as a fun rank. Regardless of what you want to call them there is absolutely no need for them and they serve no purpose OTHER than fun, which is unlike OMM ranks. You people are having a hissy fit about fun ranks.

 

[Chiz]

An active market user is more likely to pay back scammed funds if their account is used to hack, whilst an inactive ex-staff may not pay them back as they have no interest in the site anymore. That's why it is important for ex-staff to have security on their account, if they are inactive and get hacked, they may not pay it back. An active market user would because they make money off the site and would want to continue doing that.

I agree bro

 

[Sept]

@ "Ex-Mod is a very trustworthy rank".
MANY users on this site have obtained more in vouches and/or trust on this site than some of the Ex-Moderators. By that logic should anyone with some sort of trust be required to enable 2FA? No.

@ "Remove their rank if they can not enable 2FA"
I'm sure atleast one or two ex-mods on this site isn't in an ideal financial situation where they can afford to go buy a smartphone. Sure there is Authenticator for PC/Mac, but if your computer is infected with a RAT this defeats the purpose. I'm sure some Ex-Mods would feel very disrespected if they had there rank removed just because they can't enable it.

If you are in the situation where you can enable 2FA there's really no reason not to. It takes a minute or less to set it up, but there's no sense forcing it on somebody. Marketers need to trade with a little more common sense aswell... "Hmm, this user just came back today, and is doing a $1000 trade, yet has not been active in 6 months." Use your heads.

 

Ex-Mod Rank doesn't imply trust? Why are they putting their rank in all of their market threads then?

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007-mains/1808769-ex-mod-farcasts-07-main-shop-maxed-mains.html

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-2007...ng-1-def-ags-pker-75-90-1-osrs-gp-rs3-gp.html

http://www.sythe.org/miscellaneous-...1684470-ex-mod-buying-all-rsc-accs-items.html

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-3-buying/1005361-1300-vouches-kmjt-buying-gp-ex-mod.html

They are doing so in order to show that they are more trusted members of the community, thus an attempt to get more sales.

 

[Laptop65]

You are obviously a troll. Highly Trusted is by far the rank that denotes the most trust. Only a handful of people have EVER had it and it is listed as a fun rank. Regardless of what you want to call them there is absolutely no need for them and they serve no purpose OTHER than fun, which is unlike OMM ranks. You people are having a hissy fit about fun ranks.

Ex-staff ranks state the user used to be staff, I think that is something that would stand out when doing a trade, people just assume if someone used to be a staff member, they are more trusted (especially for the ex-admin).

@ "Ex-Mod is a very trustworthy rank".
MANY users on this site have obtained more in vouches and/or trust on this site than some of the Ex-Moderators. By that logic should anyone with some sort of trust be required to enable 2FA? No.

@ "Remove their rank if they can not enable 2FA"
I'm sure atleast one or two ex-mods on this site isn't in an ideal financial situation where they can afford to go buy a smartphone. Sure there is Authenticator for PC/Mac, but if your computer is infected with a RAT this defeats the purpose. I'm sure some Ex-Mods would feel very disrespected if they had there rank removed just because they can't enable it.

If you are in the situation where you can enable 2FA there's really no reason not to. It takes a minute or less to set it up, but there's no sense forcing it on somebody. Marketers need to trade with a little more common sense aswell... "Hmm, this user just came back today, and is doing a $1000 trade, yet has not been active in 6 months." Use your heads.

You can buy donation ranks, you cannot buy staff / ex-staff ranks.

One or two ex-mods having financial difficulties compared to the (close to 100 maybe?) ex-staff who would have no problem enabled it are not an issue at all isn't reallly going to be a disadvantage, majority beats minority by far.

You're right, it isn't being forced. They are not having their account taken away from them if they refuse to add 2FA, just the extra trust / value with the staff rank. I agree with users just trading with ex-staff who have come out of nowhere out of the blue pretty dumb, but you can't fix stupid in some cases.

 

majority beats minority by far.

Yeah, you're right. Fuck the minority. Fuck every single one of them. We can easily take them! Why should we care about the minority any ways? There are more of us, there's nothing they can do about it so fuck them right? ...right?


NO! Of course not you blabbering idiot! If there's a "minority" for whom this is not an option, we look for an alternative! What the hell is wrong with you, do you not have any morals at all ?! You're quite literally dismissing the concerns of other people because there are fewer of them! I am absolutely appalled by your acts of exclusivism.


I wonder what you'd be saying if you were a part of this "minority". But that's it, isn't it? You're not. You want to be, but you're not. Accept it already and instead of trying to take this rank away from others, try to look for an alternative solution.

 

[King Neuro]

why is this even an argument? if you're going to have a powerful position, isn't it proper that you have the right security protocols to accompany it? 2FA isn't much to ask for...