Azie DNT and subsequent 'rare permanent ban'

[Dharkeon]

Before I start, this is ONLY towards the staff members who had a hand in allowing this to go on up until he was permanently banned. This IS NOT towards the staff members who were just doing their job and were told to reply to the thread. I understand what it's like being at the heel of corrupt management who have no ear for reason and only want to protect their friends for as long as they can.

You knew that Azie was a massive account seller, granted these players knew the risks of purchasing an account, there could have been measures made A LONG TIME AGO when there were several reports made about him, or his "irl friends," like come on this is as bad as blaming your brother or sister for botting on your account to Jagex.

Let's get some evidence going

The first sign of his scumbaggery, the TWC was a great move by Video (and staff team I'm sure,) as it showed a side of him to potential customers that he won't always keep to his word. Not exactly a sign that you should clear all wealth of the accounts you bought, but lets move on
[Resolved]

The second sign of this douchewad, another great TWC given by the staff team - at this point, customers should have been getting a little sketchy of him but you know what, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt
[Resolved]

RIGHT UP TO the big DNT - truthfully I believe this was a good step in the right direction - what is my issue with it you ask? Well this DNT was the beginning of March and was only banned on April 23rd. You still don't see my issue? Well let's move on to the next few reports then
Azie

After given that DNT above, ANOTHER REPORT CAME OUT ALMOST 5 HOURS LATER, as if this was some sort of retaliation BS. But you know what, he's an EX-GLOBAL MOD LET'S GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF
Resolved

Fast forward to March 30th
Azie Scammed Max Cape Account I Bought
March 31st
Azie scammed me!

And their response? Hey Azie, you owe these guys. CLOSES THREAD. ARE YOU JOKING. THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU BAN THE MOTHERFUCKER UNTIL HE STARTS PAYING PEOPLE UP. THIS IS WHERE YOU MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT SAYING "HEY GUYS, THIS GUY HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH RECOVERIES ACCOUNTS, IT MIGHT BE WISE TO REMOVE ALL THE WEALTH FROM THE ACCOUNT UNTIL ITS DEEMED SAFE, OR JUST MOVE ON FROM THE ACCOUNT AND TRY TO GET A REFUND."

April 18th, last fucking week
Azie account recovery scam.

"Added to his DNT reason." ????????????????????????????????

And then what? You were finally like, you know what, it's probably safe to just ban him.
Azie recovered almost-maxed account

You didn't think about that after he ghosted you guys for almost 2 months with no word?

I might as well just add this in too even if its after his ban
Azie Account recovery

 

DNT stands for. Do Not Trade so why would ppls keep money on accs untill he got banned if he was alredy dnted?

 

[Dharkeon]

DNT stands for. Do Not Trade so why would ppls keep money on accs untill he got banned if he was alredy dnted?

Because he was a ex global mod and people trusted him still, they didnt think he'd be banned. By prolonging his ban, they basically said that he still has a chance of coming back and refunding. But they waited almost 2 months to do this? Like come on.

 

only thing which is sketch to me is when someone deemed trusted scams they insta put trade alert in sythe discord they never did that for azie so ppls who dont follow ras didnt even knew he was dnted for mass acc recoverys.

 

I think he should’ve been banned way beforehand. With the minimal activity he had on Sythe and Discord it would’ve been better.

I understand what @Sh33dy is saying about them removing the wealth when he first received the DNT. However, for those buyers who are inactive on Sythe they would’ve never known about his DNT. I think a trade alert as Sh33dy also stated, even if precautionary, would’ve been a lot better in assisting the community. Especially the part of the community who is only on Discord.

One thing that gets me though is that @Fox stated he handed over a lot of evidence to staff showing the Azie misdeeds and how they could be prevented.

 

[Obamaphobic]

TBH I don’t understand why a buyer would ever purchase an account without being given access to the email or why this practice is even allowed. By doing that they made it was too easy for Azie to scam them... my thought is he was selling unsafe accounts that he purchased for a few hundred dollars then marked up to 2k.

A few of those people recovered on him and he tried to pay people back, but then it was too much and he decided to scam all the accounts he had access to.

If the buyers had access to the emails he could have never done that. My suggestion is Sythe disallow the practice of sellers keeping emails to sold accounts.

 

[Karna]

TBH I don’t understand why a buyer would ever purchase an account without being given access to the email or why this practice is even allowed. By doing that they made it was too easy for Azie to scam them... my thought is he was selling unsafe accounts that he purchased for a few hundred dollars then marked up to 2k.

A few of those people recovered on him and he tried to pay people back, but then it was too much and he decided to scam all the accounts he had access to.

If the buyers had access to the emails he could have never done that. My suggestion is Sythe disallow the practice of sellers keeping emails to sold accounts.

You can recover an account without the original email, also emails can be recovered too. Theres nothing that actuallh protects people from acc recovery

 

[Obamaphobic]

Agreed. But his practice was to just give them logins to the account and keep the email himself.

So he didn’t even have to recover the accounts (I doubt he was OO of them so he couldn’t most likely), he just had to change password on people and they were fucked.

 

[Dharkeon]

only thing which is sketch to me is when someone deemed trusted scams they insta put trade alert in sythe discord they never did that for azie so ppls who dont follow ras didnt even knew he was dnted for mass acc recoverys.

Exactly this. Truthfully, I think this should have been the measure when he was DNT'd. The very second he was DNT'd, put out a global warning that his accounts were compromised. Azie shouldn't have had a problem with that if he wasn't the person doing it so. It makes sense since it's been done with others for FAR LESS of what Azie has now taken.

 

[Obamaphobic]

When I say keep the email, he never linked their email to the account. He maintained 100% control of email communications.

 

I have to say it's rather amusing to see such threads where everyone complains about Azie now that he supposedly has scammed a few users. Let me remind you that this is a free market quite literally as even confirmed by Sythe himself, meaning the site won't be liable for anything happening on there which is an opinion as a result of being unable to rely on people. While trust and reputation does matter here, we're all just human beings and this is just a website which allows us to freely trade our goods, however whatever is done on here has no repercussions for us IRL. Eventually Azie is just another human being meaning we should always take caution when dealing with him, just like we take caution while dealing with newcomers. Don't wanna get scammed? Then don't trade, especially don't buy or sell accounts.

Regardless don't bitch at the website's structure, because if there wouldn't be a risk of even be scammed, sections such as "Vouches" wouldn't even exist.

 

[Obamaphobic]

I’m not complaining about Azie, I just think the market rules should be modified to not allow account sellers to keep their emails linked to accounts:

Azie offered a warranty if people kept his email link there and this allowed him to easily scam mass amounts of accounts without even having to recover them. He just had to password reset. This could easily be abused in the future as well by others.

 

This website is led by all human beings with different interpretations and opinions. While moderator A thinks a DNT would suffice, moderator B would think a ban is better in place. Regardless there's little to no difference in terms of permissions between the two and you must quite literally be braindead should you be trading someone with a "Do Not Trade" rank.

 

[Dharkeon]

I have to say it's rather amusing to see such threads where everyone complains about Azie now that he supposedly has scammed a few users. Let me remind you that this is a free market quite literally as even confirmed by Sythe himself, meaning the site won't be liable for anything happening on there which is an opinion as a result of being unable to rely on people. While trust and reputation does matter here, we're all just human beings and this is just a website which allows us to freely trade our goods, however whatever is done on here has no repercussions for us IRL. Eventually Azie is just another human being meaning we should always take caution when dealing with him, just like we take caution while dealing with newcomers. Don't wanna get scammed? Then don't trade, especially don't buy or sell accounts.

Regardless don't bitch at the website's structure, because if there wouldn't be a risk of even be scammed, sections such as "Vouches" wouldn't even exist.

I'd like to remind you that this post is not towards the site's structure or even Azie himself. This post is for input about how to better approach a situation where someone who was seen as a trusted individual took advantage of his relationship with staff members and was able to cash in. I am upset that particular staff members of this forum allowed someone more breathing room than they should have for someone who had more than proven that he wasn't trusted anymore and they still allowed it to go on. How can we trust that they won't protect us from this kind of incident again when someone decides to abuse their relationship with staff?

 

How can we trust that they won't protect us from this kind of incident again when someone decides to abuse their relationship with staff?

You can't, which is why there's a million of sticky threads here preventing you from being scammed. While I don't trade on here, nor would ever buy accounts - even I could fall for a scam happening from someone such as Azie. Sometimes it's just bad luck. As said before we're all just human beings and there's a reason people would trust Azie with so much, as at the time he was considered a trusted individual. That's also one of the reasons he was provided more breathing room - as would others - as would continue to happen forever.

 

[Dharkeon]

You can't, which is why there's a million of sticky threads here preventing you from being scammed. While I don't trade on here, nor would ever buy accounts - even I could fall for a scam happening from someone such as Azie. Sometimes it's just bad luck. As said before we're all just human beings and there's a reason people would trust Azie with so much, as at the time he was considered a trusted individual. That's also one of the reasons he was provided more breathing room - as would others - as would continue to happen forever.

That's what should change. I can understand if terms were agreed upon to allow someone a sufficient amount of time to get the funds together to be able to refund these individuals, however, no terms were ever mentioned on any of the final postings by staff, there was apparently no communication with him from staff as seen from posts AFTER his DNT, clearly he had no intention on helping those who fell victim to his "irl friends." The point I'm trying to make is that although he was still banned, it was long overdue. I'm not trying to tell staff how to do their job but that ban should have been AT MOST a week if he wasn't communicating with staff or his victims actively to fix the issues. Instead they allowed it to go on for almost an entire month (23 days to be exact,) which ultimately resulted in more people losing accounts, wealth, time, etc etc etc. If after that week and he was banned, they could have made the announcement that he was permanently banned for recovering accounts and most likely could have saved those people a lot of time and resources.

 

[Fox]

Staff are the reason that he was able to scam $10,000+.

They also didn't put out a notice in the sythe discord that Azie was recovering his accounts. Why wouldn't you put out a notice for an ex-mod who sold tons of accounts valued at $1000+?

Horrible dealing of the situation.

Oh yeah he also just got banned within the last 3 days after he had already scammed $10,000+. Wild?

 

however whatever is done on here has no repercussions for us IRL.

That's not true don't forget pureaddiction was robbed at gunpoint for 07 gold

 

Before I start, this is ONLY towards the staff members who had a hand in allowing this to go on up until he was permanently banned. This IS NOT towards the staff members who were just doing their job and were told to reply to the thread. I understand what it's like being at the heel of corrupt management who have no ear for reason and only want to protect their friends for as long as they can.

You knew that Azie was a massive account seller, granted these players knew the risks of purchasing an account, there could have been measures made A LONG TIME AGO when there were several reports made about him, or his "irl friends," like come on this is as bad as blaming your brother or sister for botting on your account to Jagex.

Let's get some evidence going

The first sign of his scumbaggery, the TWC was a great move by Video (and staff team I'm sure,) as it showed a side of him to potential customers that he won't always keep to his word. Not exactly a sign that you should clear all wealth of the accounts you bought, but lets move on
[Resolved]

The second sign of this douchewad, another great TWC given by the staff team - at this point, customers should have been getting a little sketchy of him but you know what, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt
[Resolved]

RIGHT UP TO the big DNT - truthfully I believe this was a good step in the right direction - what is my issue with it you ask? Well this DNT was the beginning of March and was only banned on April 23rd. You still don't see my issue? Well let's move on to the next few reports then
Azie

After given that DNT above, ANOTHER REPORT CAME OUT ALMOST 5 HOURS LATER, as if this was some sort of retaliation BS. But you know what, he's an EX-GLOBAL MOD LET'S GIVE HIM THE CHANCE TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF
Resolved

Fast forward to March 30th
Azie Scammed Max Cape Account I Bought
March 31st
Azie scammed me!

And their response? Hey Azie, you owe these guys. CLOSES THREAD. ARE YOU JOKING. THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU BAN THE MOTHERFUCKER UNTIL HE STARTS PAYING PEOPLE UP. THIS IS WHERE YOU MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT SAYING "HEY GUYS, THIS GUY HAS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH RECOVERIES ACCOUNTS, IT MIGHT BE WISE TO REMOVE ALL THE WEALTH FROM THE ACCOUNT UNTIL ITS DEEMED SAFE, OR JUST MOVE ON FROM THE ACCOUNT AND TRY TO GET A REFUND."

April 18th, last fucking week
Azie account recovery scam.

"Added to his DNT reason." ????????????????????????????????

And then what? You were finally like, you know what, it's probably safe to just ban him.
Azie recovered almost-maxed account

You didn't think about that after he ghosted you guys for almost 2 months with no word?

I might as well just add this in too even if its after his ban
Azie Account recovery

You must not understand staff logic,

When someone is extremely high risk and has the chance to scam even more generally they are given a specific guideline to follow...

Even if they perm banned him he had already sold all the accounts they were simply giving Azie a chance to have a change of heart to return #1 Money #2 the accounts...

If you pay attention to other reports you'll see if a service provider ruines a few accounts or a worker scams they handle it delicately because if you just directly ban said provider it could turn out 10x worse than if you work with that person.

I've seen a few providers get this treatment as well account sellers and so far its worked extremely well in terms of community safety.

Yes it sucks to see someone scamquit on this large scale but when some people deal in these numbers eventually a small portion will scamquit.

Just shows you to pay attention to the signs and avoid dealing with said users..

Or if you see a provider with constant reports, tons of items missing from multiple clients accounts and the provider still isn't banned or even DNT'ed just avoid him and warn your friends that that provider has had nothing but constant issues for a long period of time.

Everyone needs to stay sharp and vigilant to their surroundings.

Staff generally does what they do for specific reasonings that we as the public don't get to hear about or have discussed with us.

Give them a break and move on.

Yellow Hat

 

[Vul]

Though I feel this thread might be a bit too harsh as is, I just wanted to drop my two cents in:

He did not have a trade warning sent out. To me, that's something that should always be done on big accounts, but for him there was nothing done. Which would usually strike me as a red flag but it's obvious it wasn't that in this scenario.

There was talk of him scamming before this too iirc, and it was kinda just ignored because it was in the Discord aka the 'spam forum'. I had heard of him being untrustworthy since like.. maybe mid-late March?

I agree that this was handled like this for a reason, but the only thing I have issue with anyways was the lack of trade warning tbh.