To all atheists

[gtdarkpunisher]

I don't think its quite fair to cast judgement on a religion based on how others have screwed up.

At the same time, I don't believe religion/ religious institutions are always bad, but I'll admit there are some that are so far gone it makes me ashamed to know they're getting away with that. Take for example Westboro Baptist..

I'm a Christian and I would say I have a positive impact on others. I never push my beliefs onto anyone, and if anyone asks why I've never had alcohol, why I don't say cuss words, or why I'm still a virgin, I'll tell them why, but thats it. So @Deacon, I don't understand how you can say people like myself don't care about our future generations and I'm definitetly unsure of how you can say people like myself are 'self centered', thats so far from the truth it makes me /facepalm.

I have a question for the atheists on these forums.. how many of you have actually read and studied the bible?

Im sorry to say but most people with any type of religious views usually speak in a way or act in a way to make it seem they're perfect or correct and that everyone should be like them because of their religion. If you took offense to that; you only have those who you say "screw it up" to blame. But thats still a majority in most religions.

I'm and atheist and read a few different bibles since around 05. I can honestly say most of them require a lot of "faith" to believe in the god described through the stories. I have began reading on the Qur'an, a translated copy of course, and it was the only book I would consider believing but choose not to as it still contains some ludicrous claims. Although I've heard translations of the Qur'an take meaning away from it. Not sure why.

Hitler: Athiest - 6,000,000 killed;
Stalin: Athiest - 20,000,000 killed;
Mao: Athiest - 15,000,000 killed;
Genghis Khan: Athiest - 2,500,000 killed.


yeah

Not sure what your point is. It was said religion started many wars and deaths since B.C. times.

 

[z Revs]

Im sorry to say but most people with any type of religious views usually speak in a way or act in a way to make it seem they're perfect or correct and that everyone should be like them because of their religion. If you took offense to that; you only have those who you say "screw it up" to blame. But thats still a majority in most religions.

Any Christian passing themselves off as 'better' than somebody is not a true Christian. I know what you're talking about, and it drives me crazy that someone would put themselves above another person. This isn't at all what the Bible teaches, and assuming you have read it, you must realize they are a poor representation of a large group.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

Any Christian passing themselves off as 'better' than somebody is not a true Christian. I know what you're talking about, and it drives me crazy that someone would put themselves above another person. This isn't at all what the Bible teaches, and assuming you have read it, you must realize they are a poor representation of a large group.

I understand. Actually whats sad is the majority of that large group has usually been represented by some one like that or others but in a bad way. What Im saying is religion isnt what its suppose to be since now the majority of most religions cause bad things or feel the need to impose their views and claim to be superior; yet claim to be innocent or pure. They especially put down other religions.

That's why I respect those with religion who understand its not to be imposed onto others and lives by decent morals. But unfortunately that's only a minority now a days.

 

[Trinity19]

Hitler: Athiest - 6,000,000 killed;
Stalin: Athiest - 20,000,000 killed;
Mao: Athiest - 15,000,000 killed;
Genghis Khan: Athiest - 2,500,000 killed.


yeah

Whoa what? Hitler wasn't Atheist lol, almost all of his actions were made in the "name of god" or were declared by the "will of god".

Associating Mao and Stalin as atheists is only an opinion since there's no correlating facts to actually support the claim other than that they tried to abolish religion. This was only done so they could establish their own cults of personality and control their people.

And Genghis Khan should not be thrown into a group who killed in the name of belief when in actuality he reveled in bloodshed which had no connection to his religious mind set.

 

[Jimmy]

Hitler: Athiest - 6,000,000 killed;
Stalin: Athiest - 20,000,000 killed;
Mao: Athiest - 15,000,000 killed;
Genghis Khan: Athiest - 2,500,000 killed

This nonsensical claim gets thrown around rather liberally every now and then, and I'm really at a loss as to why.

Hitler was not an atheist; he was a Roman Catholic. Hitler was born a Catholic, was raised a Catholic, and did all of his malicious actions as a Catholic. The reason that Hitler was able to promote his antisemitic views was because Europe had, for centuries, hated the Jews as the "Christ-killers." Hitler's antisemitism was religiously motivated.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

Stalin and Mao were undoubtedly atheists; however this is beside the point. The question now becomes: did the atheism of Stalin and Mao promote the atrocities that they committed? The answer is simply no. How can a lack of belief in the existence of a supernatural entity cause one to do evil? It can't. I'm unsure if Genghis Khan was an atheist, however even if we assume that he was, you are faced with the same dilemma: how can atheism promote evil?

 

[z Revs]

I understand. Actually whats sad is the majority of that large group has usually been represented by some one like that or others but in a bad way. What Im saying is religion isnt what its suppose to be since now the majority of most religions cause bad things or feel the need to impose their views and claim to be superior; yet claim to be innocent or pure. They especially put down other religions.

That's why I respect those with religion who understand its not to be imposed onto others and lives by decent morals. But unfortunately that's only a minority now a days.

QFT

Oh, and I don't think you can pin those wars on Atheism :/

 

[Camels Dunger]

Whoa what? Hitler wasn't Atheist lol, almost all of his actions were made in the "name of god" or were declared by the "will of god".

Associating Mao and Stalin as atheists is only an opinion since there's no correlating facts to actually support the claim other than that they tried to abolish religion. This was only done so they could establish their own cults of personality and control their people.

And Genghis Khan should not be thrown into a group who killed in the name of belief when in actuality he reveled in bloodshed which had no connection to his religious mind set.

Thanks you for that, I'm not into looking up facts. I don't remember all of this from middle-school either

 

[Trinity19]

Thanks you for that, I'm not into looking up facts. I don't remember all of this from middle-school either

NP =], I wanna become a History/Mythology/English teacher so I gotta keep my memory fresh on these things XD. It also annoys me when certain historic figures are misrepresented in arguments like this.

 

[raziaex]

I don't think its quite fair to cast judgement on a religion based on how others have screwed up.

At the same time, I don't believe religion/ religious institutions are always bad, but I'll admit there are some that are so far gone it makes me ashamed to know they're getting away with that. Take for example Westboro Baptist..

I'm a Christian and I would say I have a positive impact on others. I never push my beliefs onto anyone, and if anyone asks why I've never had alcohol, why I don't say cuss words, or why I'm still a virgin, I'll tell them why, but thats it. So @Deacon, I don't understand how you can say people like myself don't care about our future generations and I'm definitetly unsure of how you can say people like myself are 'self centered', thats so far from the truth it makes me /facepalm.

I have a question for the atheists on these forums.. how many of you have actually read and studied the bible?

FYI: I've studied the bible; including taking it from both a literal and non-literal perspective MORE THAN THREE TIMES. All passages. All verses. etc etc. I've also studied scriptures of other major belief systems.
Yet; why is it that after all this 'study of religion' - I still proclaim myself as 'atheist'?
Because I broadened my mind to that of which is not only of my own, but also to that of others who share DIFFERENT ideals.
Perhaps this is what separates the 'theist', and 'non', or 'atheist'.

 

[awesomem8]

“Some verses from the Bible. (King James Version) The correct translation of the Bible was in King James' time. It was not altered. Look it up.”

if u think the king james is a flawless translation of the bible ur an idiot theres many mistakes in the translation the only unaltered version is the original hebrew dumbass.........

 

[z Revs]

if u think the king james is a flawless translation of the bible ur an idiot theres many mistakes in the translation the only unaltered version is the original hebrew dumbass.........

King James is the only correct version, but it's not flawless. Many words in Hebrew were meant to send one message, but the English versions of those words lead to another. This is common in the Bible, which is why it's recommended to learn a bit of its original language.

 

[Psywar1]

Hitler: Athiest - 6,000,000 killed;
Stalin: Athiest - 20,000,000 killed;
Mao: Athiest - 15,000,000 killed;
Genghis Khan: Athiest - 2,500,000 killed.


yeah

Hitler was an atheist? Ahahahaha, you're fucking hillarious, man.

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." - Adolf Hitler

He also said "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Oh, but he was just using that for rhetorical purposes, he didn’t actually believe it, right? Wrong, he’s also said, "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

Genghis Khan's religion is widely speculated to be Shamanism or Tengriism, so I don't know how you got atheist.

Lack of religious belief is not what caused Mao and Stalin to do what they did, if that's what you're trying to imply. They abolished the higher beings so they could be the highest power, shit like that.

 

[Trinity19]

King James is the only correct version, but it's not flawless. Many words in Hebrew were meant to send one message, but the English versions of those words lead to another. This is common in the Bible, which is why it's recommended to learn a bit of its original language.

There is no correct version of the bible, as I've said many times before and will most likely have to say many times again. "The bible has been changed countless times for the agendas of Kings and warlords who used it to fit there purposes better, because 'it came from god' sounds alot better than 'lets just go kill em so i can rule'" Now with that said I'll also remind people that the bible today could be completely different than the original.

It's like if you took a story, and gave it to 100 writers and say to each one to change one thing they don't like about the story into their own idea. By the time it reaches the final writer your going to have a completely different novel on your hands. Now replace writer with Priests and Kings and instead of 1 thing allow them to change all that they want and BAM you've got the bible.

 

[Returning Truth]

You have a stupid thread, thats like saying all christians wish to convert everyone to christianity

I never try and force my viewpoints onto other people

 

[Trinity19]

You have a stupid thread, thats like saying all christians wish to convert everyone to christianity

I never try and force my viewpoints onto other people

Just because you don't doesn't mean other don't.
Besides, we've moved past that on this thread and are more concerned with qualifying our ideas than simply stating that the name is misleading.

 

[Returning Truth]

i was more on the TL;DR side of things.

lets just get straight to the point.

athiests cannot prove god does exist, nor can they prove he doesn't exist.


pathetic thread, props.

 

[Trinity19]

i was more on the TL;DR side of things.

lets just get straight to the point.

athiests cannot prove god does exist, nor can they prove he doesn't exist.


pathetic thread, props.

It'd probably be a good idea to read up on what point of the subject were on.

Alright then, pathetic thread?
Atheists actually can prove there's no god by there being no form of actual evidence of one's existence.
While the only proof for a god is 1.) Events and situations that can be completely random or coincidental. 2.) Faith.

Sorry to say, having faith in something usually comes to the conclusion that there's no supporting evidence.

 

[SeizedHeart]

worst time for atheists is when theyre happy, because they have no one to thank

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

worst time for atheists is when theyre happy, because they have no one to thank

Thats just stupid.

Lol, because if were happy, its because we achieved something or reached a goal. We wouldn't have to thank anyone since we did it ourselves.

Unlike others who thank god for this and that be cause god helped them with this or that. If you think it through, that's just ignorance thanking their God for something they achieved through hard work. Of course people say without their God they wouldn't have much, but really its making less of yourself since you're not accepting credit for your own accomplishments.

 

[Returning Truth]

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Atheists actually can prove there's no god by there being no form of actual evidence of one's existence.

There's no evidence which suggests God does exist, but nor is there evidence to suggest he doesnt exist. If it was that simple there wouldn't be religion in the first place.

Athiesm is belief, not fact


PS: I'm Agnostic myself