To all atheists

What does love prove?

 

I'd best describe it as a brotherly love - at least that's what it should be (Christianity).

Sadly quite a few churchgoers have simply become judgmental hypocrites. It's not what it should be. I don't, and CAN'T, blame people for their perspectives on Christians, as it's only our own faults.

I don't push things on people to try to prove them wrong, I push it because I care about them. That's where I think the key difference is. Atheists don't gain anything from trying to disprove people, but Christians lose something by doing nothing at all.

 

Religion is a destructive force, used to enslave the minds of children by teaching them that evidence and reason are superseded by faith and authority. By advocating irreligion, I'm fighting for the liberation of people from irrational beliefs. What does a Christian gain by forcing their religion upon their peers? A spot in heaven? The Christian is motivated in spreading their message due to their own selfishness, whereas the atheist is motivated because they actually care about their fellow man.

 

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Even if you are not religious, you cannot deny that religion has majorly aided society throughout history. If for nothing else, it served to keep the poor in line during the Middle Ages, subsequently allowing for technological advancements within society because the elite did not have to focus on how to quell those damned poor people.

 

100% agree with you. I experienced this with the Mormon church, its so stupid how they do it to almost make you feel guilty and isolate you . I would rather kill myself then live in Utah, Salt Lake city.

 

Of course I wouldn't like it. But let's be honest. If you told me that dinosaurs existed within 6000 years of our current date; that the earth was flat; or that babies were delivered by flying birds rather than true conception - then yes; I will flat out tell you that you are a fucking retard; whether you enjoy it or not.

 

Any examples? Find one.
Honestly... If ANYTHING, history shows just how crude and medieval religious faith has been in holding back progress and advancement...

 

Don't categorize all religion together, as their not all the same. I am more than willing to believe evidence and reason, hence why I became a Christian. So let me ask you this: have you ever seen a miracle?

I sure hope that last bit's a joke. If not, you have quite a bit of research to do my friend. The problem is 'Christianity' has become unbelievably distorted and mangled in society. And you're completely right, it's almost to the point where it's a battle between religions and beliefs. It's honestly a sad thing to see. I don't want to "force" my religion on anyone if it's just going to enforce their previous thoughts about Christianity/God.

What kind of people are you hanging around with? If they've given you this bad of an impression about Christianity, I don't see how they can call themselves Christians at all. Are you sure it wasn't some type of jehovah witness or something?

To be perfectly honest, the only atheists I've seen have just been out to prove themselves right to look better; not helping anyone or anything out.

 

I love people for who they are; I don't need a specific instance to love someone. They didn’t do anything to earn the love – it wasn’t purchased – it’s just given. I wouldn’t ever have to meet you Mr. Sythe, yet if one of us had to die for whatever reason, I’d gladly take your spot if I could.

Ironically enough I agree, yet that's exactly why I try to share my faith.

For my sake, use the most basic vocabulary you can muster up. I don't want to have a thesaurus open every time I try to respond.

Epistemology is basically the study of valid information, correct? What is true/false?

I have honestly tried to do as much research on the topics as possible as of late, as I've for whatever reason had a sudden desire to do so. I've come to a personal conclusion that out of all religions Christianity makes the most sense to me. So I was at the point where I believed it's either A) Christianity, or B) Nothing (atheism).

I'm not one to deny logic. I believe what I see, and that again is exactly why I'm a Christian at this moment. So as I asked Jimmy earlier, have you ever seen a miracle? Something that defies all logic, common sense, and you just can't explain it?

It's not based on nothing. I've done plenty of research on not only the Bible, but the Qur'an as well. Before I was even a Christian, my goal was to simply prove it all wrong. I was determined to find inaccuracies, flaws, anything. The Qur'an as multiple inaccuracies, one of those being a character that was supposedly associated in Pharaoh’s court: Haman. Haman's mentioned several times in the Qur'an, yet interestingly enough there have been absolutely no findings of him anywhere in Egyption history. Contrary to that, thanks to Archaeology, Biblical stories are looking to be more and more fact than fiction. If you have an hour to kill, I'd recommend watching this -



How is that not evidence?

 

I dont care waht other people think.

Im in the U.S.A and one of the good things about this country is freedom of religion so what they think is fine with me.

 

You're obsessed with arguing, no matter what the topic. Sythe, no matter what you say I still love you man. I owe you nothing, you owe me nothing, I still love you. Maybe the word "love" doesn't fully describe it, and I apologize for that. But by my definition of it, I love you. You simply cannot argue this with me.

You still haven't answered my question. Have you ever seen a miracle?

 

The fact that he's answering your points precisely and with great detail doesn't stem from any assumable 'obsession'. Don't you think that's quite an ignorant (and quite arrogant) claim? That simply because someone else is able to knock down your argument; they must be 'obsessed'?

You don't literally 'love' him. I'm sure he can agree with that. Perhaps you do, in a highly exaggerated sense; but otherwise I think that is quite ridiculous. Just the way you can say you love a supremely invisible being that supposedly creates and destroys anything at will. Yes; hint the irony please.

And what sort of question is that? A miracle? What do you define as a miracle? What do you serve to even prove with that? And don't even start with miracles with regards to faith; because they're pretty much either bullshit or scientifically explainable in one way or another. Thus the term 'miracle', in this sense, is actually completely out of the question.

 

Nope, I love him. I love you too.

A miracle is what people assume it to be. Something you can't explain with logic or science. And no, it's not out of the question. Obviously you've never experienced something of that nature.

YOU can claim something I say is bullshit, but if I've SEEN it with my own two eyes, I know it to be true.

 

Despite only thinking that religion could be ignorance, maybe for some it gives hope.

 

I'm assuming you have your own meaning for love. As love doesn't just exist by saying you love random people. As Sythe said, that's basically empty/false love; saying it doesn't make it true unless that what you believe.

He's not obsessed with arguing. He's simply digging into the topic with the most possible details to show flaws in your logic and show what you're literally saying. Once you claim the idea or what you said is your personal opinion or belief, then it can't be argued against.

 

I just don't believe, I just don't think I'll ever believe too.

 

I believe in freedom of belief, meaning I don't run up to every Atheist I see and call him an idiot for believing in no God, so I expect them not to come up to me and say "You idiot why do you believe in God"

Also, I would like to worship however I please. I do not like when people say Religion is bad, because like anything else the leaders do not neccessarily reflect the views of the followers. For example, if you were an American, would you like all people to believe Americans are exactly like George Bush? Would you like to be labeled by someone because of only one person? Should one person be able to sum up a whole group? No, so please do not bash religion.