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I'm not entirely sure I understand this thread completely, but do you know about the Big Bang?
what came before god?
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The big bang is a widely accepted theory of creation among physicists.
This question I suppose ask what is there even way before the big bang.
In my opinion as an Atheist there has to be something before you're god, in my matter i think substance, tiny substances formed matter, over the course created what we have today, Big bang made it plausible.
And as for who created god, no one cause he doesn't exist but yet people tend to believe he does, so they have something to believe in if all hope fails for them.
And as for who created god, no one cause he doesn't exist but yet people tend to believe he does, so they have something to believe in if all hope fails for them.
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You're willing to accept that there is a god, yet you're questioning what happened before god?
It is equal to trying to image the boarder of the universe - humans are not very good at interpreting nonexistence.
The universe started when god started, there was nothing before god it was all empty god was the first thing EVER, he created himself before there was just nothing
Can you explain your logic behind that statement? How can something create itself?
There was nothing before the Big Bang, because there was no time for anything to of existed prior as time and existence as we know it was the produce of the Big Bang.
And if your going to argue "cause and effect", something must of caused the big bang for it to occur, i disagree and believe its down to a degree of quantum mechanics which effectively proves its possible to gain something from nothing, that pure spontaneous occurrence/existence can and does happen.
This is just my 2 cents on the matter, nobody knows 100% what happened, but this is what i think.
exactly what i was saying. it just makes no sense.
are we as humans supposed to be able to make sense of it? thats the thing i dont know.
i guess it all has to do with something like the universe coming from apparently nothing.
how could it just...happen? like one day, there was nothing. well, technically not a day because time didnt exist. but even then, how could infinite nothingness become...something?
but before the big bang, nothing existed. nothing. no quantum mechanics. so how is this spontaneous existence possible?
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thanks for the great responses guys! lets keep this debate going!
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We couldn't even begin to comprehend what "Created" or "started" the big bang or whatever it is that has created the universe as we know it. Our human concepts and ideas of things such as time and matter are things that are only relative to what we know. Anything "beyond" that would be nearly impossible for our human minds to even comprehend.
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All I'll say is this - the most logical answer, at the present moment, is something never had a beginning, and has always existed. Whether that something is God, the universe (the Big Bang goes against this, however), or energy is still up for debate. Don't forget, the Big Bang explains how the universe came into being. It still assumes there was a preexisting infinite/large amount of energy prior to the universe's formation. It doesn't explain where that energy came from - it only assumes it was 'just there'.
No beginning/existing forever is hard for us to comprehend, but in a world where there's no time dimension, there's nothing illogical about it whatsoever.
No beginning/existing forever is hard for us to comprehend, but in a world where there's no time dimension, there's nothing illogical about it whatsoever.
Yes i said that in my previous comment, nothing existed, quantum mechanics is about the possibility of gaining something from nothing, spontaneous existence.
You can't say "quantum mechanics didn't exist either", because its not something that exists, its a formula, a theory, physics, its not an object.
Chaos theory!
But seriously, you can't debate on pre-existance, because there is no proof of pre-existance, it is only an assumed state that there was once nothing. Anyones wild guess is about as valid as the next person's.
So out of nothingness, God existed. It may be true and i believe our mind is not there to understand such concept yet.
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Two things:
We cannot answer this question until we have evolved to the point where our minds can comprehend the concept of infinity.
Also, I was watching the show Into the Wormhole (or whatever, the one with Morgan Freeman as the narrator) and they explained how, at the sub-atomic level, particles just appear into existence from nothing and disappear as well. Considering at the time of the Big Bang, the universe was nothing but the size of these particles, can we not say that it was possible that the universe just popped into existence from nothing?
We cannot answer this question until we have evolved to the point where our minds can comprehend the concept of infinity.
Also, I was watching the show Into the Wormhole (or whatever, the one with Morgan Freeman as the narrator) and they explained how, at the sub-atomic level, particles just appear into existence from nothing and disappear as well. Considering at the time of the Big Bang, the universe was nothing but the size of these particles, can we not say that it was possible that the universe just popped into existence from nothing?
you dont understand...before the big bang, before all the matter in the universe was focused on a point the size of an electron (or something like that), their was a point in which absolutely nothing existed. like...nothing. i dont think the human mind can quite understand this kind of concept of nothingness... but, ya. nothing. if there is nothing, how can even a theory, or a formula, be in existence? even if it isnt a physical object? sorta like...when you have a fraction. you have a number, and a thing. for example...5/8's. you have five eighths, five being the number and 8 being the thing. however...when you have 5/0...well, you cant have 5/0. 0 isnt a thing. you cant explain what you have 5 of because you cant have 5 zeros, its not a fraction, its undefined.
see what im saying? no? oh well.
even if that did happen though, what defined a particle before the universe existed? how could it have been created when nothing like it had ever been made? are you saying before anything ever existed, it just...existed? if there were no laws to define what a particle was supposed to be, how could they appear? this is similar to what i said above.
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Like I said in my first point, humans cannot fully understand infinity. Does it make sense for something to just exist forever, infinitely? No - because as humans, we cannot grasp that, therefore something like a particle/god/universe/anything existing without a beginning makes no sense to us.
i must say i agree with you on that one. however, thats not gonna stop me from thinking about it haha.
First you have to prove God exists. Then we can talk about what came before "god".
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