what came before god?

[billybobdead]

First you have to prove God exists. Then we can talk about what came before "god".

did you read the op? i said this doesnt just apply. i said i wanted to know what you think happened before the first..anything.

 

[Jedi Mind Tricked]

It is this very question that makes me skeptical about religion.

I like this though "Before god existed freedom, and true free will."

 

[Terrankiller]

did you read the op? i said this doesnt just apply. i said i wanted to know what you think happened before the first..anything.

Implying a "god" did it in the original post. What I think happened before the big bang? Nothing.

 

[Abarta]

So out of nothingness, God existed. It may be true and i believe our mind is not there to understand such concept yet.

I completely agree the human mind wasn't supposed to know about this, what I'm trying to get at is god has always been there. Nothing was before him, just always him.

 

[JarvisPK]

this makes no sense. how can god simply "be"? everything starts somewhere. before the universe, before anything, there was nothing. so how could god spring up out of nothing?

you have no idea how much i wish i could agree with you, it would make life so much simpler. but my sense of logic tells me that is completely impossible.

Believing in God makes no logical sense, religion is not based on logic. It's based on belief. Certain questions just can not be answered with a logical answer, you either just have to believe or not.

 

[rue]

We couldn't even begin to comprehend what "Created" or "started" the big bang or whatever it is that has created the universe as we know it. Our human concepts and ideas of things such as time and matter are things that are only relative to what we know. Anything "beyond" that would be nearly impossible for our human minds to even comprehend.

I agree with this statement, there's a reason it's called the Big Bang Theory guys.

So out of nothingness, God existed. It may be true and i believe our mind is not there to understand such concept yet.

We're finite in intellect compared to God, that's coming directly from the Bible. God existed where time did not exist, which we would then classify as another dimension. He created time, according to the Bible he told the Sun when to rise and when to set. So God existed in a realm that we have not unearthed.

 

[Saiyn]

We're finite in intellect compared to God, that's coming directly from the Bible. God existed where time did not exist, which we would then classify as another dimension. He created time, according to the Bible he told the Sun when to rise and when to set. So God existed in a realm that we have not unearthed.

The thing that bothers me is There are 12 major religions. There are many factions of each, but there are 12 majors. Each religion has a following that is absolutely certain their religion is the correct true religion.

And when we question god we get no straight answer for example
-Prayers are never answered when verifiable things are prayed for.
-Christians claim they have a loving god, yet according to their own bible, their god slaughtered all the first born babies in Egypt one night
-It has never been proven god has healed anyone, wait a second apparently god healed someone who had been rushed to hospital and had a 4 hour operation. Because obviously it wasn't the operation that saved him.

So, what if you were brought up 1000s of years ago when there were gods for every planet? Now there is only 1 god.
It's just not believable that he even exists.

As for Op, If god came out of nothing then why couldn't the planet?

According to how the world was made

Created by God. The Earth and the whole universe was created by God. On the first day of creation he created light and darkness. On the second day he created water and sky. On the third day he separated the dry ground from the oceans and created all vegetation. On the forth day he created the sun, moon, and stars. On the fifth day he created all of the water dwelling creatures. On this day he also created all of the birds. On the sixth day he created all of the creatures of the land. It was on this day that he gave life to man. He called this man Adam. On the seventh day God rested.

How is this even possible if he created man on the sixth day, when dinosaur bones have been found from millions of years ago.

Also

p.s.
i remember sunday school, as a 6 year old, asking the sunday school teacher what made god...all i ever got was "god just is". that was never enough for me

Why would she not tell you how God was made? She obviously didn't know, she had no proof but she believed he appeared out of nothing?

one of the Smartest people in the world
-Stephen Hawking is in fact completely irreligious and does not believe in any supernatural beings or gods or anything like that.
-More members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.

Facts
-Research has shown atheists have a higher intelligence than people with a strong religious faith. The difference is 5.8 points according to findings in developmental psychology
-Only 7 percent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God. Whilst only 3.3 percent believed in God in the UK’s Royal Society

You asked for an answer and I gave you one.

 

[mage3158]

What I think happened before the big bang? Nothing.

This is a big assumption, what makes you think that the big bang was the start of existence?

 

[Emperor Nero]

This is a big assumption, what makes you think that the big bang was the start of existence?

Existence is relative in a multiverse. Consider being in universe A and another human in universe B, neither knows nothing of the other and therefore their existence is relative to the facts that we have. We can theorize, but we don't know and that makes their existence not actual existence.

 

[mage3158]

Existence is relative in a multiverse. Consider being in universe A and another human in universe B, neither knows nothing of the other and therefore their existence is relative to the facts that we have. We can theorize, but we don't know and that makes their existence not actual existence.

I don't think I ever said anything about multiverse.

 

[Emperor Nero]

I don't think I ever said anything about multiverse.

But you asked if that was the start of existence. Yes, it was the start of our existence - but if we live in a multiverse then it technically isn't.

 

[mage3158]

But you asked if that was the start of existence. Yes, it was the start of our existence - but if we live in a multiverse then it technically isn't.

Sorry but I don't follow. What do you mean our existence? Are you saying the materials in the bigbang couldn't have taken other forms prior?

 

[T V]

Each religion has a following that is absolutely certain their religion is the correct true religion.

Hinduism practices tolerances towards all religions as well as atheism as they believe that every religion (or non-religion) ultimately leads to the truth

 

[rue]

The thing that bothers me is There are 12 major religions. There are many factions of each, but there are 12 majors. Each religion has a following that is absolutely certain their religion is the correct true religion.

And when we question god we get no straight answer for example
-Prayers are never answered when verifiable things are prayed for.
-Christians claim they have a loving god, yet according to their own bible, their god slaughtered all the first born babies in Egypt one night
-It has never been proven god has healed anyone, wait a second apparently god healed someone who had been rushed to hospital and had a 4 hour operation. Because obviously it wasn't the operation that saved him.

So, what if you were brought up 1000s of years ago when there were gods for every planet? Now there is only 1 god.
It's just not believable that he even exists.

As for Op, If god came out of nothing then why couldn't the planet?

According to how the world was made


How is this even possible if he created man on the sixth day, when dinosaur bones have been found from millions of years ago.

Also

Why would she not tell you how God was made? She obviously didn't know, she had no proof but she believed he appeared out of nothing?

one of the Smartest people in the world
-Stephen Hawking is in fact completely irreligious and does not believe in any supernatural beings or gods or anything like that.
-More members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.

Facts
-Research has shown atheists have a higher intelligence than people with a strong religious faith. The difference is 5.8 points according to findings in developmental psychology
-Only 7 percent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God. Whilst only 3.3 percent believed in God in the UK’s Royal Society

You asked for an answer and I gave you one.

What I said was the context of the Bible written in my understanding. The question I feel able to answers that you have is relating to the sixth day for one. You're basing 6 days off of our calendar which derived from the Mayan calendar. The Bible gives no account in Genesis of how God measured each day that past. God created the Sun on the fourth day, so that should be an indicator to us that God never counted his "7 days" the way we count ours. As for the facts you posted; those were interesting. As for God slaughtering all of the first born egyptian babies in one single night. The reason why they were slaughtered because he asked Pharaoh to free his chosen people (the people of Israel) before he caused this action. The Pharaoh refused to release God's chosen people. Which he then claimed to be above God, which then made him a self-proclaimed demi-God or "idol" as the Bible says. So God had showed the Pharaoh mercy but offering to do no harm whatsoever if he freed his people. When the Pharaoh ignored God's request, God had given the Pharaoh and his people (the people of Egypt) punishment for not obeying him. Not to sound disrespectful, but you did take that initial statement completely out of context. Nonetheless, hopefully these two responses will give you feedback. Your statements and statistics about Steve Hawking and other highly intellectual people's religious were quite interesting as I said before so thank you for sharing that.

 

[Saiyn]

What I said was the context of the Bible written in my understanding. The question I feel able to answers that you have is relating to the sixth day for one. You're basing 6 days off of our calendar which derived from the Mayan calendar. The Bible gives no account in Genesis of how God measured each day that past. God created the Sun on the fourth day, so that should be an indicator to us that God never counted his "7 days" the way we count ours. As for the facts you posted; those were interesting. As for God slaughtering all of the first born egyptian babies in one single night. The reason why they were slaughtered because he asked Pharaoh to free his chosen people (the people of Israel) before he caused this action. The Pharaoh refused to release God's chosen people. Which he then claimed to be above God, which then made him a self-proclaimed demi-God or "idol" as the Bible says. So God had showed the Pharaoh mercy but offering to do no harm whatsoever if he freed his people. When the Pharaoh ignored God's request, God had given the Pharaoh and his people (the people of Egypt) punishment for not obeying him. Not to sound disrespectful, but you did take that initial statement completely out of context. Nonetheless, hopefully these two responses will give you feedback. Your statements and statistics about Steve Hawking and other highly intellectual people's religious were quite interesting as I said before so thank you for sharing that.

EDIT: Question solved.

 

[Terrankiller]

This is a big assumption, what makes you think that the big bang was the start of existence?

This whole thread is nothing but assumptions. Not even worthy of this forum.

 

[Crueliscool]

What I said was the context of the Bible written in my understanding. The question I feel able to answers that you have is relating to the sixth day for one. You're basing 6 days off of our calendar which derived from the Mayan calendar. The Bible gives no account in Genesis of how God measured each day that past. God created the Sun on the fourth day, so that should be an indicator to us that God never counted his "7 days" the way we count ours. As for the facts you posted; those were interesting. As for God slaughtering all of the first born egyptian babies in one single night. The reason why they were slaughtered because he asked Pharaoh to free his chosen people (the people of Israel) before he caused this action. The Pharaoh refused to release God's chosen people. Which he then claimed to be above God, which then made him a self-proclaimed demi-God or "idol" as the Bible says. So God had showed the Pharaoh mercy but offering to do no harm whatsoever if he freed his people. When the Pharaoh ignored God's request, God had given the Pharaoh and his people (the people of Egypt) punishment for not obeying him. Not to sound disrespectful, but you did take that initial statement completely out of context. Nonetheless, hopefully these two responses will give you feedback. Your statements and statistics about Steve Hawking and other highly intellectual people's religious were quite interesting as I said before so thank you for sharing that.

The bible is nothing more then mere philosophies printed on paper.

This whole thread is nothing but assumptions. Not even worthy of this forum.

Completely agree.

 

[rue]

The bible is nothing more then mere philosophies printed on paper.



Completely agree.

You have your opinion, I have mine, and that's that.

 

[0belisk]

This is a big assumption, what makes you think that the big bang was the start of existence?

Ill try jump in here,

I believe the big bang was the origin of existence because there is no evidence of anything existing prior to it, because nothing did.

Science has managed to back-date the universe to the big bang, (which i would like to add, at no point during this timeline did a form of "creator" come into play, everything had an explanation).

If we've managed to back-date the universe billions of years through extensive research and work, why can't we go further back than the big bang? because there is no evidence (currently) that back-dates such distance, at this moment in time, this is as far as it goes back, maybe this might change in the future, but for now, i think it was the origin of time and existence.

 

[Snoopchicken]

I believe the big bang was the origin of existence because there is no evidence of anything existing prior to it, because nothing did.

Doesn't the theory postulate that there was an infinite amount of mass/energy in which the universe was created from/expanded from at the moment of the Big Bang? As in, that infinite mass/energy always existed, and was sort of a given?

Science has managed to back-date the universe to the big bang, (which i would like to add, at no point during this timeline did a form of "creator" come into play, everything had an explanation).

If I'm not mistaken, science actually has managed to back date the universe to a fraction of a second after it existed.

If we've managed to back-date the universe billions of years through extensive research and work, why can't we go further back than the big bang? because there is no evidence (currently) that back-dates such distance, at this moment in time, this is as far as it goes back, maybe this might change in the future, but for now, i think it was the origin of time and existence.

Above.