Utilize the Trade With Caution rank more.

[Cronos]

Influenced by this thread; http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1260353&page=2

Scam reports lacking in key evidence, but nonetheless containing substantial content posing threat against the culprit shouldn't be taken lightly, passed off and locked, synonymous with every other 'incomplete' report.

Its not hard to distinguish between the reports completely lacking in any coherent evidence, with the reports that are unfortunately one step behind official regulations. Staff members should personally assess submitted reports, and, in their heart, come to a conclusion. If it is blatantly, PAINFULLY obvious that the accused did in fact scam, but got away scott-free due to a technicality, this rank should be applied. I don't see it enough, given the amount of incomplete reports discarded daily.

 

[Karl]

you've been here for a week, ergo there is no way you can argue about how often TwC's are issued or not, one case which was judged by one moderator does not allow room for a whole generalising.

Trade with cautions are given out often, to users who we suspect of scamming, if theres not enough proof to suggest scamming, then we won't issue it.

 

[Cronos]

you've been here for a week, ergo there is no way you can argue about how often TwC's are issued or not, one case which was judged by one moderator does not allow room for a whole generalising.

Trade with cautions are given out often, to users who we suspect of scamming, if theres not enough proof to suggest scamming, then we won't issue it.

I've been a registered member for approximately one week, yes. You're going to condescend me, and fall back on proclaimed naivety to back your statement? The fact that i haven't been part of this community very long and have already encountered and befriended numerous victims lacking conclusive evidence is testament enough to the unhindered scum that lurk about.

Fortunately, we all have access to the archives, which further backs claims of mine, and allows me to reference at any time an incomplete case. I wasn't attacking the staff, and i can see you're a bit peeved at undertones of suggested negligence in my statement. My intent was simply to persuade those that review scam reports to execute the trade with caution rank more frequently, as there are a number of scammers that are still active in what they do, running freely, and without any sort of burden.

 

[KerokeroCola]

The reason these cases are denied is because the "evidence" can be faked in a matter of minutes. We can't offer any punishment for these unless there are multiple reports for the same offense that are not apparently from the same person.

 

[Cronos]

The reason these cases are denied is because the "evidence" can be faked in a matter of minutes. We can't offer any punishment for these unless there are multiple reports for the same offense that are not apparently from the same person.

You and i both know that, for the most part, there is no ulterior motive involved. When two leechers make claims against one another, it is not political, it is authentic and usually lacking in evidence because the victim is too ignorant to read the rules before engaging in a trade.

What influenced me to make this thread above all is the case, that of which is discussed in the thread i posted, referencing. The guy has legitimate screenshots of their conversation via sythe inbox, something that really couldn't be imitated.. especially not over a mere 7M. Lets be realistic.

I can understand someone targeting a renown user, in vein of a smear campaign, and editing chatlogs and what not to get this person banned over a personal vendetta, but, its pretty black and white when one user scams another of a small amount.

 

[Turin]

I disagree.

Utilizing more, sounds great although it may cause TWC's to be handed out to undeserving individuals because of fake 'proof'. I think it's working great at the moment. Safe trading should be practiced EVERYTIME, instead of only when someone has a TWC.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Took me about two minutes. Hopefully you can see why I require a lot of proof before I issue any sort of conviction. Also, Turin's point was incredibly valid: all a TWC does is ensure that the other trading party practices as safe of trading as possible. Everybody should have a TWC rank, in all honesty. Finally, you said it is "black and white" over small amounts. There are a lot more trolls than you realize; if they figured out we let half-proof scam reports warrant a ban only if it's less than 10m, then they'll all make fake reports for less than 10m.

 

[Cronos]

Took me about two minutes. Hopefully you can see why I require a lot of proof before I issue any sort of conviction. Also, Turin's point was incredibly valid: all a TWC does is ensure that the other trading party practices as safe of trading as possible. Everybody should have a TWC rank, in all honesty.

Touche. This was all done over a third party application, or did you exploit your moderator abilities to edit this? Sincerely curious, not being sardonic.

With this 'everything can be manipulated' logic, all reports should be declined. Its the context of the trade, and overall situation that needs to be considered. Like i mentioned before, there is an immense contrast between a new user reporting some other anonymous pin seller that just opened up for business with a lack of evidence, and a moderately renown user, with known past feuds tied to the moderator he is incriminating, perhaps falsely.

It wasn't really a suggestion, but rather a reminder that TWC's are always applicable, and shouldn't be forgotten about when handling scam reports. Not trying to be pushy either, just disgruntled, seeing members like 'The Carter IV' walk away from allegations.

 

[KerokeroCola]

I can't edit Community posts, and if I did it would show my name instead of yours as "Last edited by." Basically anyone who realizes how easy it is can do that.

 

[Tcukid33]

Cronos it seems like your trying to come into this community and change things. Everything in my opinion is working great! I think even on small trades people take caution. It's always good to take caution even with the mos trusted traders

 

[Cronos]

Cronos it seems like your trying to come into this community and change things. Everything in my opinion is working great! I think even on small trades people take caution. It's always good to take caution even with the mos trusted traders

I came, i joined, i saw, and now i've spoken. Its the natural progression of things. I'm not in any way criticizing staff, nor am i trying to come off as a pompous disturber of peace. I think its quite ridiculous, to be honest with you, claiming that i've come into this community trying to change things. Its not necessarily a negative connotation at all, in fact, i'd like to think that one day i might not be patronized because of join date and perhaps attain a slightly more influential status.

Every member that participates in the suggestions/feedback forum must be aiming for change, and for the most part, ideas are embraced- otherwise these two forums wouldn't be granted to the public.

Violence is always the answer

Perhaps im not channeling my concern appropriately. Maybe i should hunt down a reputable staff member and force him to administer TWC ranks to a select few people every now and then. That approach would be more up your alley, right?

 

[Driller73]

Yes, everyone should have one of those, even highly trusted members could scam. I just let my good, past experiences on here and desire for membership cloud what was infront of me. I thought I could trust the guy with 11 vouches and over 600M to handle 7M, but it just shows the person's true character.

 

[x339]

Its interesting how you have been here for week and yet you have 46 posts per day, and are so intent on changing things here. Ill give you a week


OT: The TwC works fine the way it is, if it was given out freely it would lose its "value". And people should be cautious while doing any trade, because anyone can scam no matter how trusted they are.

 

[Cronos]

Ill give you a week

You'll give me a week to what? Are you insinuating that because of my frequent post count i am simply building up to create a superficial facade that i am trustworthy and then pounce? I haven't used the black market once, nor do i intend to. If you review each and every post they are for the most part all of substance. Ironically, you have been a member here for around 4-5 months, with a 1500+ post count. Shall i make a flippant remark about that?

and are so intent on changing things here.

Try rephrasing that sentence, unless you dont mind the incoherent nature of a select word or two.

OT: The TwC works fine the way it is, if it was given out freely it would lose its "value".

You speak of this rank as if its a commodity. Value? What value? What, you don't want it to become mundane or something? Those that have the rank are a deity to you?

 

[Revolight]

Support, many of the reports are just missing a tiny bit of information.

 

[x339]

You'll give me a week to what? Are you insinuating that because of my frequent post count i am simply building up to create a superficial facade that i am trustworthy and then pounce? I haven't used the black market once, nor do i intend to. If you review each and every post they are for the most part all of substance. Ironically, you have been a member here for around 4-5 months, with a 1500+ post count. Shall i make a flippant remark about that?



Try rephrasing that sentence, unless you dont mind the incoherent nature of a select word or two.




You speak of this rank as if its a commodity. Value? What value? What, you don't want it to become mundane or something? Those that have the rank are a deity to you?

My post count is not 1500+ and I only have 9 posts a day. And yes I do think that what you just described in perfect detail is exactly what you plan on doing. But this is not the place to argue about that.


When I said the rank has a "Value" is exactly what it sounds like. If a few people have it, then it calls more attention then if 500 people had it.

 

[Cronos]

My post count is not 1500+ and I only have 9 posts a day. And yes I do think that what you just described in perfect detail is exactly what you plan on doing. But this is not the place to argue about that.

Oh, my mistake, 1445 posts. Do you think ill sustain 40 posts a day for the duration of my indefinite stay here? I won't even get into logistical terms, and because you've decided to come into this thread and personally claim that i am a scammer in the making you are now the first of many ill have to ignore, i greatly anticipate the day of your ban where i can spit (figuratively) on your plea for forgiveness thread, kiddo.

When I said the rank has a "Value" is exactly what it sounds like. If a few people have it, then it calls more attention then if 500 people had it.

Fallacious logic. Again, from here on out im just going to disregard any twisted input you might have, you're worthless to this discussion i've regrettably brought up.

 

[Turin]

@cronos.


You never responded to my post. Practicing safe trading can honestly save a lot of people the bullshit. AND get scammers banned. What's the big deal about making a folder and screecapping trades ? That will solve the problems that you're bitching about.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Trade with cautions are given out often, to users who we suspect of scamming, if theres not enough proof to suggest scamming, then we won't issue it.

That's not true. I got one simply because I was hacked. Same as video.

 

[x339]

Fallacious logic. Again, from here on out im just going to disregard any twisted input you might have, you're worthless to this discussion i've regrettably brought up.

Fallacious logic? Really? Im pretty sure others have the same view as I do. If your going to try and use big words, use it correctly, my opinion can't be fallacious as an opinion can not be wrong nor right because it is, an opinion.

The only reason your disagreeing is because you can't handle my opinions on you, but I guess you would call that opinion fallacious as well.