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    The only form of terrorism that people focus on now is the muslim terrorists. Do you not realize they aren't the only ones? The KKK, founded on Christianity, is an extremely racist group who wishes to inspire terror into the minorities such as African Americans.

    Will they go to Hell too? Apparently, as long as they have accepted the lord Jesus as their savior, then no.

    Every religion has extremists.
     
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    i completely agree with you on this, i just used that as one example
     
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    There was no innocent women. Also its their parents fault for not believing in god, obviously when their children grow up they will be the same as their parents.

    If you have read the bible it says that Satan rules the earth. Of course they would lead us into temptation. Thats why we need strong faith.

    We all have sinned the same. Our sins are forgiven when we pray for forgiveness. So there are no, who sinned more etc.

    Is believing that there is more meaning in life, make us have a weak ego? Also, the percentage of Jews involved in the hard sciences is higher than for any ethnic or national group in the world. Check out the number of Jews who have been awarded Nobel prizes in the sciences, and then reflect on the fact that we represent 1.5% of the world's population. Then try to find out how many have been awarded to fundamentalists.

    Oh, and if anyone's going to allege or speculate that the Jews who are scientists are atheists, be prepared to document and prove that claim. Maimonides was not only the greatest rabbi of his generation in 12th century Spain and Egypt; he was also the greatest physician.

    So think again before you call us idiots.
     
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    Now that is a load of Bullshit. If you truly believing in god you would never do those kind of actions. So no, they wont go to heaven.
     
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    In response to Itz Me's quote from his ass.


    Alright, not sure where your getting these from but what are you talking about? The KKK came from Christianity? And are also revises towards African Americans?

    Explain to me where you got this horse shit from please.

    And to Sythe; ( Hi again )

    Christianity is about belief. You Worldly people might look down on us calling us idiots for spending our time in church on lovely Sundays when we could be going out/partying etc.

    Have you experienced anything with God? Have you encountered anything supernatural? Simply this;

    You don't have to believe in our god, no one forced you. Nor do we really humanly benefit from dragging you towards Christ. But we only wish that we can save another person from entering hell.

    We have something you don't; which is something almighty and powerful: Faith.


    Ps; I'm on a phone ATM and there may be errors.
     
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    Oh ok. So do you support murdering people for not agreeing with you about religion?

    I don't believe in god. I didn't believe in god when I was 5 years old. Would you kill me?

    How do you know which you have faith in. If Satan rules the earth then how could he not rule the church? The church is on the earth afterall.

    Not an argument, of course.

    Stupid typical Christian plop. My question is: forgiveness for what? Forgiveness for the fact of being born? Forgiveness for being made in your silly god's image?

    The fact remains, you worship pedophiles in silly costumes, who read from a storybook about a god who killed 99% of the human population of the world and who advocates the rape and murder of children.

    You claim that you have faith that this particular god, the one that does all this awful stuff, and allows this awful pedophilia church to run in his alleged name, is the true god.

    You still haven't answered how it is that you are going to determine that this is the correct god. By any logical standard within your ridiculous theological framework, he is Satan. Who else would run a church full of pedophiles and advocate the rape and murder of children?

    No, you have a weak ego, and are therefore unable to handle the fact that there is no god. No sane rational human being would assert the existence of a magical sky daddy.

    There is no evidence for a god, you admit this yourselves. You also fail to establish a standard by which to determine which of the two gods you should have faith in, and this demonstrates that you have a lack of confidence in dealing even with your own beliefs. And you take responsibility for evil you didn't commit, and cast this same responsibility onto the young.

    It is by all accounts a sickness of the mind; A psychological plague.

    Pythagoras was a mystic. I don't see you running around claiming that there exists a platonic realm of numbers every-time someone tries to use the Pythagorean theorem.

    That's not an argument and I will happily call you an idiot. People hold inconsistent beliefs; This fact, no one is debating.
     
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    But, the majority of people use religion to base their moral views on.
     
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    Really? People can't believe in God and still murder, lie, steal?
     
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    One source
    http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/western/bldef_kukluxklan.htm

    Another(may not be the most reliable)
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090303104631AAkusIz

    Another
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_religion_of_the_KKK's

    And the last one I will supply you with:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
    I live, and grew up in the state that the KKK was formed in. My history teachers have loved to focus on them.

    Edit: if you feel like finding other sources, there's this new invention called Google. You should try it some time.
     
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    That's circular reasoning, and a fallacy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning)

    You're claiming that religion makes "better people" according to the standard of "what most people think", but if this 99% of the population has ethics originating with nonsense religion then this proves nothing, other than the fact that 99% of people have baseless ethics, by which they judge themselves to be "better people".

    It is circular reasoning and a floating normative abstraction, which implies nothing except that which it is; a ridiculous tradition.

    Not even an argument, as explained above.

    Try harder next time.
     
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    Can somebody please define atheist? In your own words and textbook. Many people assume certain things when they think of an athiest, but is it more then just not believing in god? I am still trying to decide on my belief and am many years away from doing so. I would say that I do not yet believe in any god but I would not consider myself an atheist or containing many of the characteristics that go along with it.

    When people talk of atheism on this forum they seem to define certain rules that go along with it. Similar to how Christianity has rules regarding sex or homosexuality. This seems to be like some sort of falacy, like atheism is some sort of religon outside of religon? Someone please help me out. Sythe, you will probably be the most helpful.
     
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    Strictly speaking atheism means 'no faith'. It defines an aspect of an epistemology, in the negative, without defining any other aspect.

    It is like the word 'achromatic', which literally means 'no colour'. It is not a type of colour, it is the absence of colour. Likewise, atheism is not a type of faith, it is the absence or rejection of faith.

    Big A 'Atheism' on the other hand tends to be socialism.
     
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    "Atheism promotes the search for truth?" If Atheists are, indeed, looking for "truth," they are to preoccupied too take the time to try to help out humanity. Most Atheists are content? If they are, then it contradicts your first sentence. You can't be content, yet look for the "truth."

    "A large number of current Atheists do not disbelieve in deities?" << http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism

    By that logic a large number of Atheists, aren't Atheists...?
     
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    I say, let people believe in what they want, but do not force upon them the views of which you have set your beliefs to.
    If someone feels strongly enough about wanting to go to church or not wanting to at all then let them live their life that way, regardless everyone has a "thought" of what comes after, whether it be Heaven, Hell, reincarnation, or just another plain of existence.
    There is always a time where a human being sits down and the thought goes through their mind, "Why are we here, What's the purpose of being here, and What's next after here", maybe not those exact words, but the thoughts are similar.

    However, the answers are still untold, at least from the eyes of a skeptic .
     
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    I most definitely don't (Atheism) on other people, but im certainly not afraid to voice my opinions if asked either.

    Edited because i feel fail
     
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    That is contradicting your self, Atheism isn't a religion, it's the absence of it.

    Other than that, someone willingly asking you about your "beliefs" is different than you trying to use it as a basis for lets say, small talk.
     
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    I believe they see it in the same way as literacy. When someone who can read and write sees someone who cannot, their mind immediatly goes to, how can I teach this person how to become literate. When many athiests encounter "a believer" a similar scenario plays out whereby the uneducated must be brought up to speed.
     
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    No. It is the same as catching a thief or fraudster.

    Faith is an evil epistemology. It destroys the efficacy of the human mind, and its capacity to deal with the world as it actually is.

    As such anyone pretending to engage in intellectual debate while holding this nonsense at the root of their cognitive hierarchy is committing a kind of intellectual fraud: The standards of reason and evidence which characterize an intellectual debate are not observed by such a person, they are merely pretending to observe such standards for the purpose of presenting an argument, the basis for which they cannot possibly believe (since epistemology is the basis of all argument).
     
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    This is what I was talking about, whereby a problem is identified and then fixed
     
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