Should luring be against the rules?

[Donald Duck]

I agree with Folt, in the fact that, if someone KNOWINGLY lures someone through sythe pm or Skype, it should be a perm bannable offence. Luring is just another form of a scam, in which one user makes a bad decision, resulting in the profit of another.

 

[zgangz]

Luring now is just befriending them then BSing them later if it was just convincing noobs to go into the wilderness I'd be fine with that, but its more complicated now.

 

Luring shouldn't be allowed. As I said in my previous post, it makes no sense that you can get banned on Sythe for scamming on RuneScape, but not for luring. Users can get away with a form of scamming by just saying "it's a part of the game mechanics." Scamming is using deception to deprive someone of money or possessions, how does that not apply to luring?

Also, if luring Sythe members is currently against the rules can someone add that to the list of official rules?

 

[NotAPedo]

Knowingly deceiving another person in an attempt to take their items. Sounds exactly like scamming to me.

IMO luring as whole shouldn't be allowed on this site. It just doesn't fit. I mean go to BugAbuse if you want to lure.

 

[Naxious]

It shouldnt be aginst the rules. If the person is attempting it and going alon with the lure, it shwos that he is greedy for what he wants. The victom ends up losing thinking he would make profit at the end of the day. Most likely 10 year olds will be lured.

 

Doubling money scams were bannable on sythe cause its considered a scam reference Joopiis original ban reason yet luring in game is allowed? They both are essentially the exact same concept except one is allowed the other isn't. Considering how much I frown upon all forms of scamming (which luring is) voted yes.

 

[S]

No, never. We're a black market site. Luring isn't directly scamming, it's taking advantage of ones nativity and stupidity, INSIDE the game, which even Jagex allow, why shouldn't we? The whole subject of 'should luring be allowed' is absurd to me, and should definitely be allowed. It's part of the game mechanics. Also, by luring I'm referring to using in-game bugs in Runescape/unknown elements of how the game works to make a profit, I.e, people not knowing the time limit in clan wars and dropping their items only to be kicked out. Not something like directly taking someone's items.

Why should we disallow something Jagex themselves simply frown upon, but take no action on?

 

[Robert Nesta]

No, never. We're a black market site. Luring isn't directly scamming, it's taking advantage of ones nativity and stupidity, INSIDE the game, which even Jagex allow, why shouldn't we? The whole subject of 'should luring be allowed' is absurd to me, and should definitely be allowed.

Why should we disallow something Jagex themselves simply frown upon, but take no action on?

This, +190202.

 

[Majora]

No, never. We're a black market site. Luring isn't directly scamming, it's taking advantage of ones nativity and stupidity

You just described every single form of scamming at it's finest definition. Scamming is taking advantage of a vulnerable subject, which could be attributed by their nativity and lack of knowledge. Nonetheless any potential scam can be avoided in some form of way, as with luring.

If the ill-intention to steal, or illegitimately take from another user is there, that user should be banned to avoid that ill-intention from being executed and/or seeped into other areas had they not been successful with lure attempts. I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to involve themselves in other malicious selfish behaviors. Don't we want to look out for the overall safety of all traders, why make room and lee-way for this type of behavior?

 

Luring isn't directly scamming, it's taking advantage of ones nativity and stupidity, INSIDE the game

So, any form of scamming doesn't take advantage of one's naivety and stupidity? So what if it is INSIDE the game?

Also, by luring I'm referring to using in-game bugs in Runescape/unknown elements of how the game works to make a profit, I.e, people not knowing the time limit in clan wars and dropping their items only to be kicked out. Not something like directly taking someone's items.

How does that not count as scamming, though? It is still using deception to deprive someone of money or possessions.

Why should we disallow something Jagex themselves simply frown upon

Jagex does not just "frown upon" luring, it has been against RuneScape rules since the 28th of March 2007.

 

[S]

You just described every single form of scamming at it's finest definition. Scamming is taking advantage of a vulnerable subject, which could be attributed by their nativity and lack of knowledge. Nonetheless any potential scam can be avoided in some form of way, as with luring.

I was a bit vague. Sure, yes, that is what scamming is in all its nature. However, what makes luring any different to abusing staking glitches? Abusing wilderness glitches? There have been so many of these glitches over the years, that some people knew, some didn't and the unknown to them became the victims. Why didn't we ban people for selling glitches/methods?

So, any form of scamming doesn't take advantage of one's naivety and stupidity? So what if it is INSIDE the game?

Refer to my above post. It's under the same generalisation, yes, I agree. However, that wasn't my intention to give it a blanket term. In short, what differs luring from other methods of deception?

Jagex does not just "frown upon" luring, it has been against RuneScape rules since the 28th of March 2007.

That's actually wrong. J-Mods have openly said on the oldschool forum/livestreams they aren't going to ban for Luring. That rule was also only for wilderness lures, not anything outside. Again, that rule is outdated and never enforced.

 

[Majora]

I was a bit vague. Sure, yes, that is what scamming is in all its nature. However, what makes luring any different to abusing staking glitches? Abusing wilderness glitches?

The abuse of those glitches are generally fueled by the greed of making money rather than socially engineering a scam against another person. Performing a successful lure can take time and precision, and oftentimes its more based on earning trust/friendships and breaking them for personal gain. The glitch abuse has more of a mind set of "lets make as much money until this is fixed", rather than "Lets plot a devious scam against "Sellerman".

TLDR; Lures have a designated target, and the intention to SCAM the targeted user is of primary interest.

 

[Zicellix]

Luring is a form of scamming.

Scamming is not allowed on Sythe.

Off-market Scams are not allowed on Sythe. (Correct me if I'm wrong here)

Therefore luring should be a bannable offence on Sythe.

 

[CptMurphy]

It is part of the game, if you get lured by it IMO it is your fault

 

[Zicellix]

It is part of the game, if you get lured by it IMO it is your fault

The same can be said with scamming though?

If you get tricked or "lured" by a scammer from Sythe and you do get scammed, IT IS your fault but the scammer gets banned on Sythe?

What makes luring different from scamming? Luring is a form of scamming as I mentioned above, and that's a reason to why people lure.

 

[LoLSmurfin]

When you meet someone on a black market site for one of the games you frequent, there's a sort of mutual trust already in place simply based on the knowledge that the ingame money you have is worth real money. It follows that taking someone's ingame money is the same as taking their real money, and it pretty clearly becomes scamming no matter how your morals lie.

Yes'd.

 

[S]

The abuse of those glitches are generally fueled by the greed of making money rather than socially engineering a scam against another person. Performing a successful lure can take time and precision, and oftentimes its more based on earning trust/friendships and breaking them for personal gain. The glitch abuse has more of a mind set of "lets make as much money until this is fixed", rather than "Lets plot a devious scam against "Sellerman".

Not really. Half the lures in the past where done due to glitches in the game, and people too advantage of them till they were 'fixed'. There is no difference. Staking glitches are still social manipulation. You aren't disclosing there is a glitch, and they advertise as if they were staking normally.

 

[Logic]

Luring is a shady business, I voted yes. It was never intended to be a part of the game.

 

[Heroine]

If you're lured you're either extremely greedy or extremely dumb, so no I don't think it should be banned.

 

[Zicellix]

If you're lured you're either extremely greedy or extremely dumb, so no I don't think it should be banned.

The exact same can be said about being scammed, which is a bannable offence on Sythe.

Extreme greed/dumbness = might get scammed in which the scammer gets banned.

In that case, a lurer should be banned as well.