Should luring be against the rules?

[Robert Nesta]

Hacking other members for their hard earned items - bannable.
Scamming other members for their hard earned items - bannable.
Luring other members for their hard earned items - should also be bannable.

You should be banned.


Bitch and moan about it all you want., because in the end of the day
you.
should.
be.
banned.

This is why this topic is here, to settle this pointless argument once and for all.

 

[funbox]

This is why this topic is here, to settle this pointless argument once and for all.

"pointless"
It's "pointless" for you because you know if it gets enforced, you're done here.

still waiting for you to get banned scum.

 

[Robert Nesta]

"pointless"
It's "pointless" for you because you know if it gets enforced, you're done here.

still waiting for you to get banned scum.

I was issued a TWC referring to what happened with my situation therefore the banning will only take place if it happens again.

Did you even read up on my situation, there was NO real evidence behind this?

 

[SuF]

I like how you've used the word "tricking" instead of "scamming" because you'll be called out on it.

It's a scam, end of story.
If scamming is against the rules then so should luring.

No. I did not use scam because it is not a scam. It is a part of the game just like it is in poker. Lying in poker is not a scam and luring in runescape is not a scam.

 

lure isnt against the rule on runescape.

so it should not be against the rule if you play runescape.

Luring is against the rules.

I'm going to grab a snippet from my old thread.

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Luring

“Luring is a term most often used to describe a player tricking or deceiving another player by leading them to a dangerous place, most likely in the Wilderness. Since 28 March 2007, it has been considered scamming.”

Extra proof action is taken against lurers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t9BBWaJ_Jo

Hi mom

That doesn't change much considering we are a blackmarket forum, but people think it's allowed so it should be allowed here which isn't the case.

 

[S]

when you play poker, you know that you're gambling and have a chance to loose. It's not the same as lying to people and backstabbing their trust in order to scam them.

When you enter the wilderness, you are met with a warning, same as when you logon to PvP worlds. Same principle. You know what can happen if you go further.

Non PvP lures apply the same logic. People shouldn't be banned for knowing the game far better and taking time and effort to find bugs/lures to be banned for using them.

 

[Phi]

To scam is to deceive. They are synonyms.

All dimes are coins but not all coins are dimes, but dimes and coins aren't synonymous. Same goes for lies and scams. Again, if it were bannable to lie, a lot of people would be banned

Breaking down the mechanics of both you find the same things working. You are befriending someone and gaining trust. Then intentional plotting to gain an upper hand in the relationship to apply pressure on the other party to do something they wouldn't normally do (generally).

I've said at least three times that yes, the link between social engineering and luring is the gullibility of the victim. That's the ONLY link, and this comparison wulfspade has come up with (and you're piggybacking on) is like saying: aggravate assault and accidentally dropping a bowling ball on your friend's foot is the same because the victim gets physically hurt. It's fallacious.

And, how does one steal into someone's life? Or, have someone trade them their gold in promise of doubling their bank? Deception. They are not just using deception, but they are using deception to deprive someone of money or possessions. Both are the same in theory, they are just done in different ways, and obviously vary in severity.

They steal into someone's life with black hat means, breaking terms of service of many sites, breaking the law, and breaking already established sythe rules regarding black hat activities, which is why social engineering is bannable. The deceptive part of that scam is not what makes it bannable, but the blackhat methods, the illegality, and the exceptionally more damaging repercussions of the scam. You're equating the two because both can result in monetary loss through lies...

...Welp, merching can result in monetary loss if the seller deceives another user into thinking the value of something is more than it really is. Should they be banned too?

 

All dimes are coins but not all coins are dimes, but dimes and coins aren't synonymous. Same goes for lies and scams. Again, if it were bannable to lie, a lot of people would be banned

It is synonymous. You should look up the definition of the word synonym.

Nevermind, I'll help you. "A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close."

In the context of this thread, luring is generally done to con others out of their items.

Their meanings are alike, hence the context.

If you want to go further than that, "trick" is a synonym for both words (scam and lure), making the words synonymous.

That still doesn't sway you? Well a few synonyms for trick are deception, fraud, con, fake, forgery and so forth.

Thank you and come again.

 

[Ayy]

Also, for one to own a partyhat or another valuable item should already know the game off the top of his head to be stupidly lured like that.

 

[SuF]

It is synonymous. You should look up the definition of the word synonym.

Nevermind, I'll help you. "A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close."

In the context of this thread, luring is generally done to con others out of their items.

Their meanings are alike, hence the context.

If you want to go further than that, "trick" is a synonym for both words (scam and lure), making the words synonymous.

That still doesn't sway you? Well a few synonyms for trick are deception, fraud, con, fake, forgery and so forth.

Thank you and come again.

You are by definition wrong.

"a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone."

That is not scamming.

 

Also, for one to own a partyhat or another valuable item should already know the game off the top of his head to be stupidly lured like that.

To lure is to deceive. It's not hard to imagine methods that will fool even the smartest people.

You are by definition wrong.

"a cunning or skillful act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone."

That is not scamming.

Smh..

 

[SuF]

To lure is to deceive. It's not hard to imagine methods that will fool even the smartest people.

Smh..

Which are not the same so I'm not sure what you are saying other than you are wrong?

 

Which are not the same so I'm not sure what you are saying other than you are wrong?

It is the same.. Do I have to break it down for you when it's right in your face?

= Dishonest

Scheme = Scheme

What are you seeing that I'm not seeing? I'm surprised you're arguing over this. Even a 4th grader would be able to tell that these words are synonymous, no offense.

 

@Wulf: It doesn't matter if it is like social engineering. It's a god damn game. Tricking others to get ahead is part of pretty much any multiplayer game. Poker is all about deception.

Is it alright to scam others? I'm just tricking others to get ahead. It's not that they are using deception, but they are using deception to deprive someone of money or possessions. While that may be attributed to poker, that fact is, using deception to outmaneuver your opponent is literally in the rulebook of poker. If you lose in poker, and lose your money, it was a plausible outcome from the start. However, when lured, the gullible victim is not expecting to lose money or possessions.

They steal into someone's life with black hat means, breaking terms of service of many sites, breaking the law, and breaking already established sythe rules regarding black hat activities, which is why social engineering is bannable. The deceptive part of that scam is not what makes it bannable, but the blackhat methods, the illegality, and the exceptionally more damaging repercussions of the scam. You're equating the two because both can result in monetary loss through lies...

...Welp, merching can result in monetary loss if the seller deceives another user into thinking the value of something is more than it really is. Should they be banned too?

Social engineering is deceiving other people for your benefit. This is not restricted to black hat means. Part of why it is not allowed on Sythe is because it is fraud, criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. Which in theory is the same thing as luring. Hell, you even said both can result in monetary loss through lies.

Deception is typically in order to gain a personal advantage. Just because his ideas on merching turned out to be a loss doesn't mean he had ill intent.

 

[SuF]

Is it alright to scam others? I'm just tricking others to get ahead. It's not that they are using deception, but they are using deception to deprive someone of money or possessions. While that may be attributed to poker, that fact is, using deception to outmaneuver your opponent is literally in the rulebook of poker. If you lose in poker, and lose your money, it was a plausible outcome from the start. However, when lured, the gullible victim is not expecting to lose money or possessions.

It's a game. Part of that game is losing your possessions. There is literally nothing wrong with people taking other people's possessions in game. It is literally (and I literally mean literally) part of the game. If you play and you go somewhere you can be killed, you should be expected to be killed. If you don't, you are stupid. Tricking people is part of the game and it might be seen as sleezy or unfair but it is a part of the game and you need to grow some balls and stop crying and learn from your mistake.

 

It's a game. Part of that game is losing your possessions. There is literally nothing wrong with people taking other people's possessions in game. It is literally (and I literally mean literally) part of the game. If you play and you go somewhere you can be killed, you should be expected to be killed. If you don't, you are stupid. Tricking people is part of the game and it might be seen as sleezy or unfair but it is a part of the game and you need to grow some balls and stop crying and learn from your mistake.

Scamming is okay. It's a game. Part of that game is losing your possessions. There is literally nothing wrong with people taking other people's possessions in game. It is literally (and I literally mean literally) part of the game. If you play and you go somewhere you can be scammed, you should be expected to be scammed. If you don't, you are stupid. Tricking people is part of the game and it might be seen as sleezy or unfair but it is a part of the game and you need to grow some balls and stop crying and learn from your mistake.

I just replaced some words in your statement as the exact same thing could be said about scamming which is not allowed on this forum.

 

[Phi]

It is synonymous. You should look up the definition of the word synonym.

Nevermind, I'll help you. "A word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word or phrase in the same language, for example shut is a synonym of close."

In the context of this thread, luring is generally done to con others out of their items.

Their meanings are alike, hence the context.

If you want to go further than that, "trick" is a synonym for both words (scam and lure), making the words synonymous.

That still doesn't sway you? Well a few synonyms for trick are deception, fraud, con, fake, forgery and so forth.

Thank you and come again.

Your argument literally addresses nothing but nuance. When you can refute my points, you can continue in this argument lol

Social engineering is deceiving other people for your benefit. This is not restricted to black hat means. Part of why it is not allowed on Sythe is because it is fraud, criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain. Which in theory is the same thing as luring. Hell, you even said both can result in monetary loss through lies.

Deception is typically in order to gain a personal advantage. Just because his ideas on merching turned out to be a loss doesn't mean he had ill intent.

What benefit does one have for social engineering if not to employ the information gathered in ways that are meant to steal wealth and security from the victim? No one sets up a keylogger or phisher for shits 'n giggles, no one goes through the trouble of social engineering without malicious intent in mind, and where the true damage comes from is anything related to or making use of blackhat. Again, which is why it's bannable, and why it's dissimilar to luring.

I can tell you that a lot of merchers or traders have ill intent of tricking a player out of their gold when lying to them about the worth of an item. They're not scamming (in the way that sythe bans for), they're just playing the game. Same with luring. It's all legal game mechanics.

 

[SuF]

Scamming is okay. It's a game. Part of that game is losing your possessions. There is literally nothing wrong with people taking other people's possessions in game. It is literally (and I literally mean literally) part of the game. If you play and you go somewhere you can be scammed, you should be expected to be scammed. If you don't, you are stupid. Tricking people is part of the game and it might be seen as sleezy or unfair but it is a part of the game and you need to grow some balls and stop crying and learn from your mistake.

I just replaced some words in your statement as the exact same thing could be said about scamming which is not allowed on this forum.

That does not work and is completely invalid. You never expect to be scammed. Being scammed is not a feature of the game. Being killed is. You should expect to be killed if you are in someplace that you can be killed in.

 

That does not work and is completely invalid. You never expect to be scammed. Being scammed is not a feature of the game. Being killed is. You should expect to be killed if you are in someplace that you can be killed in.

The thing is, the individuals who are being lured do not expect to be lured. I doubt I would ever get scammed or lured, but does that discount what happens to other people? You can get scammed in various ways that include game mechanisms.

 

Your argument literally addresses nothing but nuance. When you can refute my points, you can continue in this argument lol

I have nothing more to say that was already said in my previous thread about luring. I would only be reiterating myself (I did this in this thread lol) which makes me look like an idiot because nothing came out of my previous arguments which I considered irrefutable. I would be talking to a wall at that point.

Also sorry if I seem frustrated, it just seems pointless trying to argue with others who feel the need not to cooperate with you when they subconsciously know that you're right, but have this other agenda to disrupt the most justified path, or at least that's how I see things.