[RESOLVED] Keep Treatment Equal For All Users

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  1. Unread #121 - Nov 14, 2018 at 3:29 PM
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    That was not a bright aspect of Champ's earlier staff career that's for sure lol. Yikes. That is brutal for MMORPG. If I'd of seen that case I'd of caused hell over it for sure. Lets just pretend that one never happened >.>.
     
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  3. Unread #122 - Nov 14, 2018 at 3:34 PM
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    Weird cause champ is admin now , so he’s done everything right, maybe you just dont see it that way :)
     
  5. Unread #123 - Nov 14, 2018 at 4:01 PM
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    Fails to inform people both myself and @Wortel previously worked for him.
     
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    I support:

    Reason: Pain/Great Olm Self-Interraction

    This thread isn't just about reports, I have no issue about the report part, my main issue is people like bus expecting to be allowed to self-interact with accounts
     
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    Now whos guna defend anything that happens to R2 if divine is banned......
     
  11. Unread #126 - Nov 29, 2018 at 6:40 PM
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    So, clearly this isn't going to be enforced, bump?
     
  13. Unread #127 - Nov 29, 2018 at 8:32 PM
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    DNT is not a punishment, it is a scam risk mitigation. The amount of scam risk varies from user to user. Applying DNT mechanistically to anyone who owes a debt regardless of their standing and reputation in the community would make DNT meaningless and prevent it doing its job.

    If staff reasonably expect there is no scam risk but a debt is taking a long time to repay then interest on debt owed is the correct punishment. Again DNT is not a punishment. Bans are punishments. Extra payments are punishments. DNT is like being bankrupt.
     
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  15. Unread #128 - Nov 30, 2018 at 1:45 AM
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    When you implement things, you should really explain the principle behind it and what you want your vision to look like in practice more clearly. 2 years later and no one knew that and were operating under a different premise
     
  17. Unread #129 - Nov 30, 2018 at 1:52 AM
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    It’s not like he was falsely imprisoned for 48 hours? A payment was late from a reputable source. Businesses make these kind of clerical and administrative mistakes often. If you have ever shopped anywhere, had a cable bill, had to deal with healthcare or the DMV, you know what I mean. They can’t be perfect, thats an impossible standard. He’s operated well for a long time with very little complaints.
     
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  19. Unread #130 - Nov 30, 2018 at 2:18 AM
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    You must mean like this extensive thread I posted when DNT was created explaining it

    Understanding the DNT (Do Not Trade) rank
     
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  21. Unread #131 - Nov 30, 2018 at 3:23 AM
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  23. Unread #132 - Nov 30, 2018 at 3:47 AM
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    Support, provided they dont get their debt reduced by their winnings. No one should get a free pass at paying back their debts. A crime is still a crime. A scam still a scam.
     
  25. Unread #133 - Nov 30, 2018 at 7:38 AM
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    Support, it should always be equal. It wouldn't be fair if some people get special treatments. Bumb
     
  27. Unread #134 - Nov 30, 2018 at 10:25 AM
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    These are community run and funded events. It's up to the community members who run them to decide who can participate. Provided it doesn't result in trading with a DNT user in some way there's nothing in the rules to force them to either allow or disallow DNT users from competitions and events. It seems they have just chosen to disallow of their own volition. Take it up with them?
     
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  29. Unread #135 - Nov 30, 2018 at 11:15 AM
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    Alright, thank you. Would you consider removing prize money from the total amount that is owed, if the money goes directly to the repayment fund, as a trading?

    It is similar to doing a services for money, with the difference that the reward in a form of money is not guaranteed.

    I guess the answer is that it is a trading, but I'm not fucking certain.
     
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  31. Unread #136 - Nov 30, 2018 at 11:24 AM
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    It wouldn't be trading. If the competition organizers want to allow DNT users to participate and want to structure the prize such that it can go to a third party to pay off the winners debts that's up to them.
     
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    Well you ought to know if it is a more severe version of a TWC, a TWC is frequently used as a punishment for poor trading practices such as bad PMs. I’m not sure if that is what you envision a TWC to be?
     
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    TWC is literally a warning to other users it’s not a punishment either.

    Some people view the world as though everything is either a reward or a punishment. It’s possible to have things which are neither. A credit score is not a reward or a punishment. Bankruptcy is not a reward or a punishment. Think of TWC like a bad credit score and DNT like a bankruptcy.

    We have infraction points, forum bans, site bans, punitive damages and removal of various perks as punishments. Just like any common law environment we also need statuses which are not punishments but serve as a warning to others that someone can’t or won’t or is otherwise unlikely to pay their debts.
     
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  37. Unread #139 - Dec 1, 2018 at 8:32 AM
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    100% agree with @Ex

    When people start getting slack and unable to send payments on time, they automatically gain a sense of immunity once they get away with it. It's poor trading practice, full stop.

    @Sythe Of course DNT is a punishment. If they get a DNT because they haven't paid someone, they can easily lose out on a lot of sales and business for those 48 hours. It's also a complete safety precaution. Do you have any idea how much money R2pleasant could scam within a 48+ hour timeframe? Of course nobody thinks he will run with JUST $400, but what if there are 20 people just like OP who haven't made threads and are just patiently waiting for their money/gold? Then think about all the people who will just blindly continue to deal? Thousands and thousands could be amounted.

    Do you give them DNT when TWO people make threads like OP? When it's possibly already too late? Be safe rather than sorry. I'm extremely disappointed seeing this thread and I've always seen Sythe as the single-most trusted and safe site for dealing. This changes that.

    Also, I am in no way implying R2pleasant is a scammer. I'm using his name as an example to state the principle.
     
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    Dude, I seriously don't see how you can say TWC/DNT aren't punishments. I 110% would not deal with a user with a DNT. I hate to be the guy linking dictionary definitions, but they are undoubtedly a punishment, whether you want to obscure it away from that or not.

    How can you sit there and say someone who gets applied with a DNT/TWC, who will lose clients which EQUALS money (which is the exact same monetary punishment as EXTRA INTEREST ON A DEBT) isn't a punishment? Like WHAT?

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    Edit: I'm going to reiterate, maybe YOU apply it as a caution and a warning, but it ultimately results in a punishment. Whether you apply it as a warning through sheer negligence or not, it's a punishment. Surely you can see that. It comes down to the result, not the intention. Your intention is to warn, the result is they are punished.
     
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