[POLL] CDT/PR/TC - Usergroup colours/markups

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Key words "so far." Petty.

Anyway I don't see any merit in polls on a forum where opinions are easily manipulated and tend towards a popularity contest rather than reason. Especially when you have an obvious bias by person holding the poll and act as though the issue already had a majority in one party when in fact the evidence suggested the opposite.

If you wanted honest results you would have made it a biased free vote and a discussion thread somewhere else on the topic. But that's how I see it.

The irony here is that:

1. Community members are polled/voted into their respective CDT/TC/PR positions.
2. Staff members are voted/polled into their respective positions; and finally
3. The CDT/PR/TC change was voted/polled on prior to release

Based on your logic, there's no justification or VALID reasoning for your position on a community team, nor the usergroup change, as it was all obviously bias and manipulated.

Laslty, 63% for suggests the opposite to your 'lacking evidence' statement. Honestly, go read the news thread - the majority who DISCUSSED the change, did not support it. Typing 'grats' isnt a discussion backing for or against.

 

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The irony here is that:

1. Community members are polled/voted into their respective CDT/TC/PR positions.
2. Staff members are voted/polled into their respective positions; and finally
3. The CDT/PR/TC change was voted/polled on prior to release

Based on your logic, there's no justification or VALID reasoning for your position on a community team, nor the usergroup change, as it was all obviously bias and manipulated.

Laslty, 63% for suggests the opposite to your 'lacking evidence' statement. Honestly, go read the news thread - the majority who DISCUSSED the change, did not support it. Typing 'grats' isnt a discussion backing for or against.

Ok...not sure how that's ironic when I wasn't an advocate for or arguing about the creation of the groups back then? I'm not trying to convince you that they were or weren't manipulated or were biased. Maybe in the broad context of Sythe history, but that doesn't have to do with me or maybe ironic for you? That you're using that same method you maybe don't like? Faulty logic there....

Taking the "lacking evidence" quote out of context, so once again faulty logic. I wasn't talking about the vote, I was talking about your broad sweep claim that colors automatically equate to staff positions on the entire web for forums. Which was false and had no evidence.

 

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and act as though the issue already had a majority in one party when in fact the evidence suggested.

Taking the "lacking evidence" quote out of context, so once again faulty logic. I wasn't talking about the vote, I was talking about your broad sweep claim that colors automatically equate to staff positions on the entire web for forums. Which was false and had no evidence.

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Initially I thought you were talking about this:
"People throwing out these wide claims without any evidence to back it up."

Different quote, but that one still doesn't apply to what you were saying because I wasn't talking about this vote still. So either way, taking it out of context or applying it to a quote that didn't apply.

 

Voted yes, the Usergroup colors should be reverted.

After quite a bit of changes in the last month with the Dev teams, the amount of applications have been slacking until this update on Sythe. Over the course of week or so since this was released, CDT has received quite a large amount of Applications. As an active staff member and Dev team member, you can tell who specifically is interested in joining the team based off activity and actual community driven interests. These members who applied for the UI color are quite obvious, and even though they did not make the team, the amount of bullshit apps have inclined severely. Not saying this is majorly my reasoning behind this but im afraid it's true that people are basically trying to get on the teams for a colored UI. I understand this is sort of a 'push' to get Dev teams rolling again, but now we have a large amount of users attempting to join for all the wrong reasons.

Another reason I'd like to get the colors reverted is the old standard of 'Mods have colored UIs' specifically to stand out to regular users. I know this seems to file into the "well if you can't read the word Moderator, then you deserve to get scammed bs" but that is just the tip of the iceberg on that touchy subject. I, personally, enjoyed coming to Sythe over any other RWT/RS forums because of the Forum simplicity. Everything is easily accessible and it's easy to spot the Mods if I ever needed anything. I don't give a rat's ass if other forums do it or not. This is one area of Sythe that I actually appreciated, Simplicity.

As far as my opinion as a Mod on this subject, I actually really enjoyed have different UI colors so I know who to go to for help on certain subjects. If I have a question about a market thread or how to handle certain situations, I could quickly spot the UI of that color (opaque red) and shoot them an question for assistance. It personally helped me in that sense, as a function of ease.

 

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Would be cool if someone besides user-groups, mods, ex-mods posted thoughts on this thread. Can't help but feel every post and vote is too biased.

6 weren't in one of those categories. Like 13 were mods or ex-mods and 3-4 were user groups. Think those numbers say something...Not sure what, but something

 

Was going to abstain from voting as I can see plenty arguments for both sides. However, after a bit more thought I'm honestly inclined to vote for reverting the change. The miniranks were enough and having an increased amount of coloured names is unnecessary - like others have mentioned, newcomers will associate these with trust/staff members and whilst I'm not saying they're bad people, members of dev teams shouldn't be seen in this way. There was nothing wrong with the way things were previously and unless I completely missed something, nobody really asked or pushed for this change in the first place? Also, I'm not a huge fan of UIs being given out to members of said teams; this is a perk that everyone else has paid for and it shouldn't just be handed out - people know when they're applying for development or staff team positions that they won't be paid or anything and that's fine, but don't try glossing that over with perks that people otherwise pay $200 for. The truth is anyone in any sort of Sythe team benefits from their position - selling products at a premium rate and such. Pair what I previously mentioned with the fact that you should be applying because you actually want to help out the community in a voluntary way and that takes away the need for such extra perks.

 

Would be cool if someone besides user-groups, mods, ex-mods posted thoughts on this thread. Can't help but feel every post and vote is too biased.

6 weren't in one of those categories. Like 13 were mods or ex-mods and 3-4 were user groups. Think those numbers say something...Not sure what, but something

Usually I abstain from posting, but lol, seriously? You're just waiting for 1 newcomer to say that you're right. I'm not biased, and I'm sure a lot of the others aren't either. I seriously couldn't care less about you guys having colors or not since I'm not active anymore. It just doesn't make sense for me, and I posted my opinion. I think you guys are more biased than us tbh, considering you are in that group imo.

 

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Usually I abstain from posting, but lol, seriously? You're just waiting for 1 newcomer to say that you're right. I'm not biased, and I'm sure a lot of the others aren't either. I seriously couldn't care less about you guys having colors or not since I'm not active anymore. It just doesn't make sense for me, and I posted my opinion. I think you guys are more biased than us tbh, considering you are in that group imo.

I included myself and others in the user-groups in that list ya tard. I was curious for input for or against from anybody that isn't in the categories I mentioned because they are like 17 out of the 23 or so that have posted on the matter. Wanted more thoughts like Nate's for example.

So unwad your panties and fk off

 

I included myself and others in the user-groups in that list ya tard. I was curious for input for or against from anybody that isn't in the categories I mentioned because they are like 17 out of the 23 or so that have posted on the matter. Wanted more thoughts like Nate's for example.

So unwad your panties and fk off

"Curiosity" is not the impression I'm getting from the way you're acting. Post you opinion, defend your opinion, but don't say every opinion that is different than yours is biased - just to be in the right. I could be wrong, but from what I see, you're looking for more opinions to find a person that will support you and help you keep your perk.

 

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"Curiosity" is not the impression I'm getting from the way you're acting. Post you opinion, defend your opinion, but don't say every opinion that is different than yours is biased - just to be in the right. I could be wrong, but from what I see, you're looking for more opinions to find a person that will support you and help you keep your perk.

So hypocritical, sitting there all butthurt that I think some people may have ulterior motives on all sides and turn around and say that I'm just trying to keep a color perk. I don't get what's with you guys lmao, it's a fking color. Think I care if I keep it or not? Take it away, couldn't care less for myself personally. I don't gain anything from having the color or not. Literally, take mine specifically away I don't mind. God you're a idiotic tool.

So much speculation there it's mental. Don't care to be right or wrong on this specific case. My issue is on principle it seems like many here are biased and also many are just "fun-blocking" every idea people have on Sythe under a guise of good reasons, but when pressed for the reasoning they seem to evaporate. Debbie Downers on here and I think that's a big reason Sythe doesn't attract more users. Everyone wants to kill any and every idea and change in its crib. If you read a page or two back I elaborated that this was my real issue. I feel like this color change was a small edit that livened up the place and encouraged participation between members of the community a bit and all I hear is bs about how a colored name is sacred, a fking color lmao.

 

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Would be cool if someone besides user-groups, mods, ex-mods posted thoughts on this thread. Can't help but feel every post and vote is too biased.

6 weren't in one of those categories. Like 13 were mods or ex-mods and 3-4 were user groups. Think those numbers say something...Not sure what, but something

You seem to constantly be shouting the word bias on this thread. Because past mods are giving their opinion on what will happen (mods that have been around this forum much longer than you and who have actually had to handle scam reports), you don't care. Our experiences are not validated in your eyes because we don't share your opinion. You would rather have the opinions from newcomers with no market experience if it means they vote in your favour. Why are you acting like such a brat towards Matt? You're calling him retarded and an idiotic tool for giving his opinion in a civil way? Take it down a notch dude =/

 

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You seem to constantly be shouting the word bias on this thread. Because past mods are giving their opinion on what will happen (mods that have been around this forum much longer than you and who have actually had to handle scam reports), you don't care. Our experiences are not validated in your eyes because we don't share your opinion. You would rather have the opinions from newcomers with no market experience if it means they vote in your favour. Why are you acting like such a brat towards Matt? You're calling him retarded and an idiotic tool for giving his opinion in a civil way? Take it down a notch dude =/

Vote means nothin to me buddy, honestly I'm just trying to get to the root of why people are so dead set on killing every fun thing that ever happens or is proposed on Sythe. And if that manifests as me getting salty at the oldfags as a newfag then that's likely because they are the ones holding on to things that no longer seem to make sense and don't give good reasoning for their position in many instances.

I have to disagree with the "you don't care," I feel as though I've addressed almost every concern the past mods brought up and rarely heard anything back to either correct me where I'm not seeing their side or to refute my rebuttal. Leads me to think they were standing on shaky ground to begin with and maybe that's because they never had a real argument and so my conclusions led to bias.

The first valid argument I've heard wasn't really about the colors, but the UI's from Nate, people paid money for those and so I can see it being a bit unfair to get the same reward as people who paid for something thinking that no one else would get it. That seems like some solid grounding for an argument, something I haven't heard from anyone on this other topic.

As far as Matt goes, he was the first not to give his opinion in a civil way, he came purely to attempt to call me out and not to contribute anything constructive, so I responded in kind.

 

Would be cool if someone besides user-groups, mods, ex-mods posted thoughts on this thread. Can't help but feel every post and vote is too biased.

6 weren't in one of those categories. Like 13 were mods or ex-mods and 3-4 were user groups. Think those numbers say something...Not sure what, but something

Your logic is retarded. This is just a testament to the size of active users and ex-staff members. If you have a small community and within that community you have a constant promotion and reisgnation cycle going on, you’re bound to end up with a lot of active users being ex-staff. That itself should not be a knock on this protest.

At this point you’re just regurgitating talking points that have been refuted beyond a reasonable doubt. You shouldn’t speak of “bias” when your position is anything but, especially considering this affects you more than others.

 

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At this point you’re just regurgitating talking points that have been refuted beyond a reasonable doubt. You shouldn’t speak of “bias” when your position is anything but, especially considering this affects you more than others.

Feel like some of you don't know how to read. When I spoke of biased categories, my own group was included in that. That's part of the point in asking for viewpoints from those not in any of the categories that could be accused of bias. Curious what their take on this is, regardless of which stance they take I'd find it interesting

 

Feel like some of you don't know how to read. When I spoke of biased categories, my own group was included in that. That's part of the point in asking for viewpoints from those not in any of the categories that could be accused of bias. Curious what their take on this is, regardless of which stance they take I'd find it interesting

The current poll result speaks for itself.

 

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The current poll result speaks for itself.

Yeah, the result or even what comes from the result doesn't concern me. Battle vs war analogy or whatever. I'm more interested in how this "war" shakes out. Some of the leaders of Sythe are pushing for reform and progress and some are pushing to stay stagnant and boring. I think it's obvious which side of that line I land. I think anything to spice it up and make things more fun here on Sythe should be given a SHOT before being SHOT down.

 

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@Andy Samberg I'm sure you have no ill intentions, however, the recurring, quite obviously prevalent issue is that, you keep viewing this change from a subjective standpoint, and refuse to objectively look at this change from a 'is it a truly beneficial change, what are the pros and cons' perspective.

The only point that you've constantly reiterated is that, 'it's not a huge change, why reverse it, it's not killing anyone'. When in reality, if you weigh the pros vs cons, it becomes quite clear.

Pros:
- Acts as an incentive for users to join said community teams

Cons:
- The majority of new users will automatically assume coloured rank = staff (before you use PowerBot as an example, please actually look at other gaming/trading forums, and look at what has been done historically, and what still stands)
- Looks aesthetically ridiculous, with half the user-base having different coloured names
- Usercolour ranks/titles should be staff only, and should remain as one of the few perks that only they are entitled to
- Community teams already have their own identifying minirank AND funrank (what more do you need that states what you're involved in)
- As mentioned by other community team involved members and leaders, said teams are already receiving half-arsed applications, purely so users can be eligible for the over-the-top perks
- Free $200 donor perk

I'm sure there are more.

 

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Some of the leaders of Sythe are pushing for reform and progress and some are pushing to stay stagnant and boring.

Non-complicated, aesthetically pleasing, and easy to navigate =/= 'stagnant and boring'.

Each to their own I guess.

 

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No doubt any new user who ventures to this forum is going to automatically assume that these community team/members are interchangeable with staff members, if not actual staff members. The fact that these team names are professional in nature, just adds to the facade of them being staff relevant. I've been on forums where PR/CD are staff roles, albeit more marketing centric, but staff nonetheless.

You can't tell me people wont assume these users are not staff...