N4N0's MSN

[Viou]

To be honest, a much smarter way of weeding out scammers, (and more effective) would be to do something about the 90%+ of accounts that are hacked back, to do something about all of the newcomer's who try and buy large amounts of gold for ridiculously high prices in the buying section who won't use OMM's or go first to trusted members.

This. There are so many more affective and admirable ways to clean up sythe.org than this. This was useless.

 

[SuF]

People need to stop being mad for a second and understand the staff, save for the two that pulled the sting and Sythe, had no clue this was going on.

 

[Psywar1]

Maybe your idea that "anyone would claim to be scammed if they really wanted money" says more about your moral compass than about ours.

Personally, I'd never seek to profit by stealing money from someone after they'd been hacked.

Nope, and neither would I. However, I'm saying in a situation where one might be able to obtain large amounts of money with no consequence at the expense of a fellow human being, I would think that a good majority of humanity would definitely succumb to this - it is merely a question of 'how much?'. You might regard yourself as a noble human who would be unwilling to do something at the expense of others - and perhaps you are. However, the majority of mankind is not like this. Humans are selfish and ultimately they care about themselves more than random people whom they do not know.

 

[SuF]

If anyone wants to actually say something productive and not just bash the staff for this, come to the IRC, channel #talk and we can have a civilized discussion. If you can't do that, don't bother coming.

 

[Govind]

Seeing as there were more people who posted on the thread offering to help n4n0 than to steal from him, I'd have to say that I disagree, based on my own observations.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

This. There are so many more affective and admirable ways to clean up sythe.org than this. This was useless.

Sad thing is, staff tend to go against the preassumption that these people are really scammers until after they've scammed.

Nobody buys 250M for Paypal OR Liberty Reserve (example thread from the other day, bet he's still unbanned too).

 

[elixirz]

I'm a neutral bystander to all of this. Do not judge me, I'm speaking for most people.

VIOU is correct with his response to this situation. This was out of line. But, the effort put into this is appreciated.

I've read every single page of every thread about all of this. Nothing out of this was accomplished besides getting a few dishonest people banned. Hurray, a few more users have been banned. Boo for users like me who have other thoughts about our staff.

The two major point's VIOU made: About the only memorable name which is Time To Buy, and Fire Z's GP LOTTERY THREAD. Both of these actions just weeded out random users. Nothing serious had occurred out of this. No "Big Names" were threaded out.

In my opinion, if a scam were to happen, it would be for big payouts. Not a petty ones. No smart scammer would risk getting banned for trying to scam a moderater. It's pointless to try. I do understand that people made billion dollar accusations towards this, it's just typical scammers. Like you guys say, obvious scammer is obvious.

Yes, Time To Buy is banned. It's the only big name out of any there. He only said 300M (Amount he wanted to scam). It's just barely more then his donation amount. He even noted that it was false. (IDK what is his current situation ATM, But idc.) If he actually is telling the truth, This would be the biggest fail. So if he is innocent, please tell me what big time guy was banned? How has the community been saved?

@Staff, I do not agree with this one bit. You created false advertisement towards the users on sythe. Blowing up the idea that a very trusted users MSN is hacked doesn't create a good sense of safety here on sythe. In the end it won't make users like to use sythe, or prefer it over other websites because it is more "safe". The only outcome out of this is that hacking occurs here on sythe.

What if this whole operation was actually true, and people did get scammed? The staff would blow it off as a way to catch scammers. Essentially, they would just ban whoever had evidence to cover up for themselves. If 10Bil was scammed, lets say thats $5k, split that between 5 staff members and they all made $1k each. I love our staff and don't see our staff ever doing this. If it did happen, how would we ever know?

@Govind, you said...

...Whether you agree with it or not, entrapment is a legitimate tactic to remove scammers, and it's worked on over a dozen users here...

Entrapment is illegal according to US laws, why should you do it on sythe?


These are the things I think about now. Personally, I dont plan to trade on sythe because of this. This whole operation was just abuse of power. It's the slow start of powerbot.

 

[cosrob97]

Sad thing is, staff tend to go against the preassumption that these people are really scammers until after they've scammed.

Nobody buys 250M for Paypal OR Liberty Reserve (example thread from the other day, bet he's still unbanned too).

Remember like the court and the legal system in real life, we too at sythe follow this: We rather have guilty people free than innocent people punished. (well at least I follow this).

 

[dorianking]

This was an amazing attempt.

Edit: Unfortunately, I only know 1 person on that list.

 

[Karl]

Sad thing is, staff tend to go against the preassumption that these people are really scammers until after they've scammed.

No, thats just banning innocent people.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

Remember like the court and the legal system in real life, we too at sythe follow this: We rather have guilty people free than innocent people punished. (well at least I follow this).

I didn't say you should ban every one of them, but as video made a suggestion for having an account selling requirement, would help prevent scams on sythe, and even having the common sense to close threads of people buying large amounts of gold for high prices and tell them to look at the gold selling section where someone will happily sell them gold (WAY less scammers in the selling section then the buying section).

These are just a couple ideas, better then leaving it to be.

Edit: I'm not stupid enough to think you should blindly ban every user, but frequent IP checks and the such to ban them as 'vaders before they scam.

 

[cosrob97]

However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

Seems what Nano and Govind did. Just some research.

 

[Govind]

Ah, sorry, shouldn't have used the word entrapment then.

Whatever the case, what took place here weeded out potential scammers.

 

[elixirz]

Still, a big part of this community is outraged/disturbed at this. There are two valid points. You need to look as both aspects of them.

 

[Arcus Isidar]

Ah, sorry, shouldn't have used the word entrapment then.

Whatever the case, what took place here weeded out potential scammers.

I think if you want to weed out scammers, you should look where most of the scamming takes place. I'm sure if you ran IP checks on the users buying gold for .60+/m and most newcomers who post selling accounts, you'll find that a lot of them were previously banned for scamming and are currently evading.

http://www.sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=374

http://www.sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=526

http://www.sythe.org/forumdisplay.php?f=322

A few people claiming to be scammed by n4n0 doesn't mean that they were going to scam on sythe.

 

[Lillie_Services]

Not impressed with this at all. Quite immature. Total abuse of power. Yes everyone knows many people on Sythe will scam if given the opportunity. So you banned some people who faked a scam, congratulations. Is this the kind of thing the Sythe staff spends their time dreaming up these days? Honestly this is a pitiful, self-centered act. The troll of all trolls. Props.

However, what really gets me off is that this kind of activity does not benefit the site in any way AT ALL. Isn't that what the staff is supposed to be doing? Helping out the site? You got rid of a host of inconsequential members. Ok.

I'm extremely upset and annoyed. Everyone knows there are a lot of people on sythe who are dishonest. So what? All this activity does is alienates people from sythe.org as a whole.

Grow up.

First Firez' bullshit GP lottery then this. Seriously?

I've got to agree with Viou here. What does this really accomplish at the end of the day? The main thing I can think of is creating distrust for our staff. Forum staff should be here to help people, not deliberately set them up. Are we trying to say that Sythe is a safer place now? I surely don't think so.

I agree with both of you. Doing this only shows how maturity isn't there yet.
Staff is supposed to be here to help and support the members, not deliberately set up a trap, as R2Pleasent stated.

Only thing you'll gain with this is that some users will stop trusting staff for lack of maturity.

 

[iJava]

Would you of rather the users in that list were banned now or scammed someone and then were banned. Forget what is out of line and give more thoughts to users of the community.

 

[S l N x]

My input: I offered any type of assistance to N4n0 that i could provide him with.

The whole story to me seemed fishy after I did my research about being able to obtain any hush or msn users

So my thoughts was that n4n0 was faking the hacker situation to receiving profits himself. Which i find sad to have assumed that, but nothing added up

I agree with Viou and also the staff, weeded out POTENTIAL scammers, who wouldn't have a chance in hell with no experience and a couple new posts! I mean come on guys?!

 

[SuF]

If anyone wants to actually say something productive and not just bash the staff for this, come to the IRC, channel #talk and we can have a civilized discussion. If you can't do that, don't bother coming.

I'm serious people. Both Govind and n4n0 are here if you want to have a civilized discussion.

 

[S l N x]

Also @ Arcus - With making the people buy from trusted, longlived members whos are "highly trusted" would only cause a monopoly in the gold market trade

The top sellers would bump up prices, and with no competition, sythe users would be submitted to paying their prices.