Forced Repayment for DNT Users

[Yousuckv2]

Since @Sythe claims the users with massive outstanding debt will never repay anything if we keep them permanently banned from the community, and that somehow them being given access to the only parts of the website they want access to without being required to pay any of it back is a valid solution, I think there needs to be something to force some form of repayment from these users.

What I am suggesting is that to remain a DNT user and not receive another permanent ban from the community, it should be a requirement to be at least in the process of repaying. DNT users with an outstanding debt should have to pay back something like %5, %10, etc per month depending on how large their actual debt is, to remain unbanned in any capacity. This way they aren't actually just floating around the community with no real punishment for their actions, and their victims don't have to feel as upset about the person who ran off with their money being allowed back with what could barely be referred to as a slap on the wrist.

Looking at the current list of unbans this would apply to:
JRSmithfan1 - 600m JRSmithfan1 Scammed me 600m (Victim is only banned for being hacked himself)
FishFishy - Value of account acount recovery scam by FishFishy
Alma Mater - Alma Mater - Scammer - Also owes Grave $6,000 for scamming his company RSUltimate
I Bleed Duke Blue - Massive amount to TTB (no public links) as well as original scam repayments if those aren't finished (not sure)
x339 - Money to TTB and others apparently
Karl - 1 grand or 2 grand to Arcus Isidar
Plznate- $20 to Rskingp (lol?)
Wolfdog - Wolfdog Just scammed me
Vic - Re-report of Vic scamming me
Dalpra - Scammed by Trusted/Retired Global Moderator.
Chris - Pretty sure he just owes Bogla at this point and there's no public report on that
Juvenilepunk - Pretty sure there was a scam post ban as mentioned [Official] Drama bans / old bans / can't repay bans
Djweasel - 2 grand to Dutch Digital Internet Services, $200 to Rstrader1471, Unkown amount to TTB possibly more to others
Migosss - $15 chargeback as well as multiple account rental scams
Ricky - Pretty sure there's far too many to list
Effigycraft - Around $500 total to multiple people
Puppet Master - $700+ to R2P and 300m or so to his original scam victim Goon Squad scammed me for 300m!
Owen - Still owes money to scam victims on Admirer i'm pretty sure
Abarta - Owed money to Jon so it can be donated to his gofundme or raffle

This ensures they're actually attempting to right their wrongs (whether or not they're being forced to) and not just being granted a free ticket back.

Rate could be adjustable or somewhat lower for users who were hacked (Jrsmithfan, Dalpra, Vic, Wolfdog) or victims of circumstance (FishFishy, Effigycraft), but those who outright scammed due to greed or addiction should be held to repayment.

 

[Pain]

No support, an aspect of DnT is to help people like these guys gain the character and desire to pay back victims through peer pressure and a desire to be among the community, if we start requiring it, nobody is going to care enough to bother doing it.

Specific users might, the majority wont, and we go back to square 1.


The ONLY time I would support a FORCED repayment plan is if sythe himself told a specific DNT user like IBDB or coinking or chris who owe extensive amounts of money to do a set payment each week or something.

Not going to support someone who scammed somebody the price of a mcdonalds lunch to be forced to repay it, this is just as much a character aid thing as it is an activity thing for sythe.

No.

 

[Chris]

This is a good idea, however, I feel it's a little unfair to certain people like myself. Over the course of the past 5 months, I have repaid most of my debt in large chunks, and have had long periods when no payment was made. Maybe involve the person that the actual debt is owed too somehow? Like the % each month of their debt they must pay back is worked out with the person the DNT user owes debt too, so the % is different for every DNT user. (Keep in mind, I'm a very biased opinion)

 

[Add My Msn]

If @Sythe thinks the users that were allowed back are going to pay for sure then I don't think he'll have a problem with this. Support for monthly payments towards their debt.

 

[AzzDar]

Personally I think the DNT logo itself isn't too effective. TWC should be attached as well, and possibly the name box should display their names in a specific way like *DNT* attached and in a certain font.

While of course the moral thing to is have some sort of payment back, the ones that will respond on this thread are most likely actively working on paying back, but the ones that go in the shadows probably could care less.

 

[Yousuckv2]

No support, an aspect of DnT is to help people like these guys gain the character and desire to pay back victims through peer pressure and a desire to be among the community, if we start requiring it, nobody is going to care enough to bother doing it.

Specific users might, the majority wont, and we go back to square 1.


The ONLY time I would support a FORCED repayment plan is if sythe himself told a specific DNT user like IBDB or coinking or chris who owe extensive amounts of money to do a set payment each week or something.

Not going to support someone who scammed somebody the price of a mcdonalds lunch to be forced to repay it, this is just as much a character aid thing as it is an activity thing for sythe.

No.

Ok for your first couple lines, i'm not sure why you think a bit of peer pressure is going to make people start paying shit back when they owe hundreds of thousands. As for rejoining the community, the only part of the community they can't currently access is the market which most have no desire to be part of anyways. So 0 for 2 there

As for your last couple lines, if someone actually scammed the price of a mcdonalds meal but are able to afford internet and still access Sythe and have not paid it back, clearly they're making 0 effort and need to fuck off anyways as they have no intention of fixing what they've done.

This is a punishment and those who have returned and gained access to essentially everything they wanted back anyways with no repayment need to feel they're actually being punished. As well as being a punishment it is also a second chance as Richard stated and i'm not sure why people are being given second chances when they don't deserve it. If someone doesn't feel like paying back money they stole from someone else to be part of the community then fine, who needs them? I'm sure there's plenty of other people with a perm ban who would gladly take their spot as a DNT user and start paying back some of what they owe ?

This is a good idea, however, I feel it's a little unfair to certain people like myself. Over the course of the past 5 months, I have repaid most of my debt in large chunks, and have had long periods when no payment was made. Maybe involve the person that the actual debt is owed too somehow? Like the % each month of their debt they must pay back is worked out with the person the DNT user owes debt too, so the % is different for every DNT user. (Keep in mind, I'm a very biased opinion)

I did think of an alternative where the scammer/person who owes money/whatever they wish to be referred to may make an agreement with their debtor that would negate this requirement as long as repayment continued but there is one loophole I have no real fix for which I won't go into detail explaining that made me decide to keep this option out of my suggestion, however keeping it on the table for people who are already making an effort like you sounds fair.

 

[Pain]

Never going to work, 90% of these users probably don't actually give 2 shits about sythe yet(I mean most are basically shit posting in SF, I doubt any of them care).

In time that may change because they might actually get community involved., but if u implement this this early, nobody in their right minds is going to repay their debts forcibly to stay on a site that has 1/10 the activity they used to remember and none of their old friends.


Over time this suggestion would of been a better idea, this early its just flat out terrible, I'm not so opposed to the idea but this makes me sick thinking how many DnT members would just say "ban me again" and leave because they just don't care yet.


This suggestion needs to be remade 1-6 months from now, then it might be a very different ballgame, I don't think this suggestion would have a good impact AT ALL currently, later down the line I could see it as time passes.

 

[Tyler]

Never going to work, 90% of these users probably don't actually give 2 shits about sythe yet

What metric did you use to get those statistics?

Have you taken a poll? Talked with all the DNT users?

 

[Yousuckv2]

Personally I think the DNT logo itself isn't too effective. TWC should be attached as well, and possibly the name box should display their names in a specific way like *DNT* attached and in a certain font.

While of course the moral thing to is have some sort of payment back, the ones that will respond on this thread are most likely actively working on paying back, but the ones that go in the shadows probably could care less.

TWC rank would not apply here as it's mainly for market users while these users cannot even touch the market and if they're found trying to trade with Sythe members in any capacity they are instantly rebanned. And let's be honest TWC rank has always been kind of worthless, most of the people that have it anyways are kids who come here with 5 posts and vouch themselves on a fuck ton of alt accounts then when they get banned never come back anyways.

Never going to work, 90% of these users probably don't actually give 2 shits about sythe yet(I mean most are basically shit posting in SF, I doubt any of them care).

In time that may change because they might actually get community involved., but if u implement this this early, nobody in their right minds is going to repay their debts forcibly to stay on a site that has 1/10 the activity they used to remember and none of their old friends.


Over time this suggestion would of been a better idea, this early its just flat out terrible, I'm not so opposed to the idea but this makes me sick thinking how many DnT members would just say "ban me again" and leave because they just don't care yet.


This suggestion needs to be remade 1-6 months from now, then it might be a very different ballgame, I don't think this suggestion would have a good impact AT ALL currently.

Like I said if they want to say "ban me again" and would rather not start paying back even a SMALL % of what they owe then i'm sure others would gladly take their spot as a DNT user and they know where the door is. The rates I suggested aren't set in stone and could be adjusted given a number of factors such as how much that person is actually able to pay, whether or not they actually have a source of income and how much their debt is. As per my reply to Chris there is also a possibility of them making a deal with their debtor with only one loophole that would have to be solved first.

Also since I continually find this shit being related to the real world, generally when you miss payments on a car, forget to pay rent or whatever there isn't 6 months where they just let you keep shit in hopes that you'll eventually start paying them money again, they take it away. There are sometimes a few warnings for missed payments before said privilege/item is fully confiscated, which could also be something implemented (some sort of a 3 strikes policy or w/e) but giving people a full 6 months where they have no requirement to pay anything back is ludicrous.

 

[Lame]

But i didn't scam how do i get DNT removed. #FeelsSadMan.

 

[Pain]

What metric did you use to get those statistics?

Have you taken a poll? Talked with all the DNT users?

Implement this suggestion, see how fast the DnT usergroup vanishes lol, the 90% was a numerical example designed to showcase a similarity to "a lot" of people.

I'm sorry u didn't get that, I'll just use my words next time.

 

[Add My Msn]

But i didn't scam how do i get DNT removed. #FeelsSadMan.

You pardon.

 

[Pain]

But i didn't scam how do i get DNT removed. #FeelsSadMan.

Don't pardon yet tbh, I've seen sythe mention reworking sythes rules and systems to more fit 2016 sythe.

I have a feeling you should wait, because the current pardon system is complete junk.

Your obviously free to do what u want to, but I would strongly advise you to wait until things settle down and sythe can reexamine the pardon system.

 

Don't pardon yet tbh, I've seen sythe mention reworking sythes rules and systems to more fit 2016 sythe.

I have a feeling you should wait, because the current pardon system is complete junk.

It works for people who aren't retarded tbh

 

[Yousuckv2]

But i didn't scam how do i get DNT removed. #FeelsSadMan.

Don't know why you're sad when it literally just means you weren't selfish enough to run off with someone else's money for your own personal reasons. Getting DNT removed for you i'm relatively sure is just a pardon away. Not sure if you're still required to pay the restitution set by Big Rich like Dave B and others did or not though.

Implement this suggestion, see how fast the DnT usergroup vanishes lol, the 90% was a numerical example designed to showcase a similarity to "a lot" of people.

I'm sorry u didn't get that, I'll just use my words next time.

Again they know where the door is if they think this is just some free ride where they don't have to make any efforts towards righting their wrongs. There's literally thousands of banned accounts and i'm sure most of them would gladly take anyone's place out of the current DNT users. This isn't supposed to accommodate you guys if you haven't gotten that point yet.

 

[Pain]

It works for people who aren't retarded tbh

You do realize my pardon attempt was successful right?

Just making sure that's known.


OT- My opinion remains the same sorry, Like I said though it is just my opinion and I'm 1 of many.

 

You do realize my pardon attempt was successful right?

Just making sure that's known.

You realize not everything is about you though, right? The fact that I mentioned retarded people and you replied... idk

OT: Yeah I'll support, Chris had an excellent idea where the victim of the debt could negotiate a % and dates.

 

[Pain]

You realize not everything is about you though, right? The fact that I mentioned retarded people and you replied... idk

OT: Yeah I'll support, Chris had an excellent idea where the victim of the debt could negotiate a % and dates.

You Quoted me, I'm pretty sure that indicates a willingness to want me to respond...idk.


Also, What do you guys plan to do, force sythe to make a repayment plan for every single DnT user they have to stick to?

I can see "I didn't agree to that" or "I tried paying him" or "I don't have the money" becoming a really common issue if u try to make DnT users and victims work it out among themselves, yes some will but the others this is just going to be a headache, I mean what are you going to do, ban them until they pay their $3 from the community if it was a dicing scam for $15?

I'm just brainstorming here, this seems like a TON of staff work load long term with repayment issues.

 

You Quoted me, I'm pretty sure that indicates a willingness to want me to respond...idk.


Also, What do you guys plan to do, force sythe to make a repayment plan for every single DnT user they have to stick to?

I can see "I didn't agree to that" or "I tried paying him" or "I don't have the money" becoming a really common issue if u try to make DnT users and victims work it out among themselves, yes some will but the others this is just going to be a headache.

I quoted you because you said the pardon system doesn't work, but it does.

If they don't agree to repaying, they'll get re-banned, that's the point of DNT...

If they tried and failed, the money can go to other scam victims (this has happened plenty of times in the past.)

If they don't have the money, they can negotiate a low % with the person they scammed. Both parties would still be happy, I'm sure.

 

[Yousuckv2]

You realize not everything is about you though, right? The fact that I mentioned retarded people and you replied... idk

OT: Yeah I'll support, Chris had an excellent idea where the victim of the debt could negotiate a % and dates.

That was my idea kid

You Quoted me, I'm pretty sure that indicates a willingness to want me to respond...idk.


Also, What do you guys plan to do, force sythe to make a repayment plan for every single DnT user they have to stick to?

I can see "I didn't agree to that" or "I tried paying him" or "I don't have the money" becoming a really common issue if u try to make DnT users and victims work it out among themselves, yes some will but the others this is just going to be a headache, I mean what are you going to do, ban them until they pay their $3 from the community if it was a dicing scam for $15?

I'm just brainstorming here, this seems like a TON of staff work load long term with repayment issues.

You say "every single" like there's a ton of them when I listed pretty much every single one in the OP. Once again they can agree to it if they want to stay, if not they know where the door is? Being granted access through DNT is a privilege, not a right. I'm not sure how "I tried paying him" is applicable because either you pay them or you don't. "I don't have the money" is not a valid excuse unless you literally have no form of income and even then as stated previously you can make some sort of deal with your debtor.

And once again arguing that making them pay $3 of $15 or banning them is a joke. If they can't pay back $15 let alone $3 then once again they know where the door is, pretty simple.