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Does God exist?

Does God exist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 188 49.5%
  • No

    Votes: 192 50.5%

  • Total voters
    380
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I think God exists. I'll provide an example of why I think so. I apologize in advance for the lengthy and horribly formated post :S

Prof: So you believe in God?
Student:Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student:Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student:Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good?
Student: No.
Prof:Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God...
Prof:That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer.)
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof:So, who created them?
(Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof:Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof:Yet you still believe in Him?
Student: Yes.
Prof:According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student:Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof:Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold . Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it .
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student:Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your Students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof:If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student:Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student:Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent.. The Professor stares at the Student, his face unfathomable. )
Prof:I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir.The link between man & God is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
I agree that the link between man and God is no evidence. I reject it as a good justification for ones belief though. I could just as easily justify my belief in zombies because of faith.

The basis of my belief God exists: faith.
Can we apply your method of gaining knowledge to other areas of life? In other words, faith is how you gained knowledge of Gods existence. Can we apply this to other areas?

We all have faith that we shall accomplish something.
This is a bit ambiguous. If you mean for example I have faith that I will climb Everest next year, then I wouldn't call it faith, I would call it a desire.

However, if someone says that it is impossible or unachievable, thats person is reprimanded for being pessimistic etc.
There is a small problem here. When people say impossible or unachievable, they mean it literally. It's impossible to create a square circle for example, but it's not impossible to land on mars in 20 years time, despite what people may tell you; it's just highly, highly unlikely. People who say things are impossible, unachievable etc. are usually not worth keeping company.

This opinion does not deter the faith or the belief of the person who believes he/she can accomplish the certain thing.
Have as much faith as you want, you cannot create a square circle. It's impossible, and I mean that literally.
This is the same with our belief in God.
You've justified your belief in God tautologously. You are essentially saying you believe in God because you have belief in God.

Miracles occur in life that we don't expect to happen, one can't say it they are because of science
Any examples of miracles. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

No, some supreme being has caused it to happen. We call this being God.
This is an argument from ignorance. Just because miracles happen, we can't explain miracles, etc. doesn't mean that God must exist.
 
I think God exists. I'll provide an example of why I think so. I apologize in advance for the lengthy and horribly formated post :S

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The basis of my belief God exists: faith. We all have faith that we shall accomplish something. However, if someone says that it is impossible or unachievable, thats person is reprimanded for being pessimistic etc. This opinion does not deter the faith or the belief of the person who believes he/she can accomplish the certain thing. This is the same with our belief in God. Miracles occur in life that we don't expect to happen, one can't say it they are because of science. No, some supreme being has caused it to happen. We call this being God.

Thats my 2 cents worth ^_^

It's a cute conversation, but it's premises are fundamentally flawed.

Firstly, it presents a skewed view of the nature of death and evil. Death as a process is not merely the absence of life, but is, rather, in integral part of it. There is no life without death: cells die, plants die, fish die, we die. This stands in contrast with the Christian notion of a time without death in the primeval Garden of Eden. Ignoring the absurdity of this claim, the story grants to God the power to prevent death. Similarly, death as a state refers not to objects that possess no life, but to those that have undergone the aforementioned process and thus lost it.

Similarly, the idea that we need "faith" to believe in the existence of one's brain is incorrect. It's a deductive argument: all living humans whose heads have been opened possess brains, and our analysis of these brains has shown them to be an important part of life (indeed, our lives would be rendered impossible without them). Thus, we conclude, all living people have brains.

If, however, I were to find a dead man in the street, there would be no reason for an assertion of faith that his brain existed. The death would be reported and an autopsy would be carried out to determine the cause of death; only after this would one's belief the man's brain remained within the confines of his head be justified because it is a belief based on evidence--not faith. The same goes for evolution (which, by the way, does not involve monkeys turning into humans).

EVEN IF there was no method to establish the existence of the man's brain, this would not amount to science saying he has none. It would make its existence unknown, and, in the absence of any reason to believe it does indeed exist, the best we can say is that we don't know.

The same goes for God: we don't know whether or not he exists.

If God endowed us with reason, either deliberately or by incident, our exercise of such a mode of thinking would constitute the use of a divinely sanctioned instrument. Thus, if one were to question his existence based on this gift, such an act would merely be an application of divine principle; no rational being capable of the creation of the world would look down on one who used a method so endowed.

These, I believe, were the sentiments of Thomas Jefferson when advising his nephew to:

"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
 
Malakadang.. no one knows how the big bang started

Why do i think we stop evolution as humans? - people who are born with an extra finger, get them removed.. and things like that - that could be evolution, if we didn't maybe 1000 years down the line we'd have 6 fingers? and it would be commen!
You're incorrect here. Remember, evolution is a change in the gene pool overtime. If I cut my hand off, does that change my genes? No. If I cut my 6th finger off, does that change my genes? No. So, Evolution is still an ongoing process in all living organisms. So long as living organisms reproduce, gradually, the gene pool changes

- Every persons genes are different... so there is a change in the gene pool everytime?
 
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Malakadang.. no one knows how the big bang started
You are correct, that doesn't discredit the big bang theory. The question that how did the Big Bang start concedes the existence of a Big Bang.

Why do i think we stop evolution as humans? - people who are born with an extra finger, get them removed.. and things like that - that could be evolution, if we didn't maybe 1000 years down the line we'd have 6 fingers? and it would be commen!
You're incorrect here. Remember, evolution is a change in the gene pool overtime. If I cut my hand off, does that change my genes? No. If I cut my 6th finger off, does that change my genes? No. So, Evolution is still an ongoing process in all living organisms. So long as living organisms reproduce, gradually, the gene pool changes

- Every persons genes are different... so there is a change in the gene pool everytime?
When they reproduce, yes.
 
Sorry i forget The BBT is just a theory.......... if it was looked upon as fact, then it would null it..

as theres no proof it wil always be a mystery.. in my eyes, we're too small.... we can't look outside the box, as we dont know what is beyone it.. we can continue to speculate and stuff,

our eyes decieve us... nothing has colour - seeing is beliving.
so should we belive everything we see


-My withdrawl from this argument, it is one that can go on throughout sythe's history if people with science/philosophy can maintain it
 
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Sorry i forget The BBT is just a theory.......... if it was looked upon as fact, then it would null it..
A scientific theory is different from the colloquial use of the word theory. This website articulates that point perfectly: http://www.notjustatheory.com/

as theres no proof it wil always be a mystery.. in my eyes, we're too small.... we can't look outside the box, as we dont know what is beyone it.. we can continue to speculate and stuff,
There is a lot of evidence in support of the BBT.

our eyes decieve us... nothing has colour - seeing is beliving.
so should we belive everything we see
Not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but the statement 'our eyes deceive us' and 'seeing is believing' is a contradiction. It matters not, do you have any evidence to support those claims?


-My withdrawl from this argument, it is one that can go on throughout sythe's history if people with science/philosophy can maintain it
So can the argument do faeries exist.
 
I believe we are all Gods. There is no one Universal God that is almighty in my opinion. The closest to your definition of God is Satan.

More info; check this site out; joyofsatan.com

FORGET EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER HEARD ABOUT SATANISM IF YOU HAVENT READ IT FROM THAT SITE
 
I put no, but I am agnostic. No-one can prove anything (Not like it would matter b/c everyone is to stuborn anyway). Although I do find many christians I talk too to be complete hypocrits and very ignorant, so I tend to stay on the athiest side.
 
I personally believe there is some sort of higher being.

I do not believe that he/she is the creator of the universe, since Steven Hawking proved there is a way that the universe could have been made.
 
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I believe God excists yes.
On the other hand. not in a form of ultimate judgment. more as in a helping hand
 
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I don't think god exists, but hey its my opinion, you can believe your religion or science. All that aside there isn't really anything to prove that god exists.
Why do you have that opinion though?

I personally believe there is some sort of higher being.
What do you mean by 'higher being' and why do you think such a being exists?

I believe God excists yes.
On the other hand. not in a form of ultimate judgment. more as in a helping hand
Why do you believe that God exists though? What reason do you have for believing in his existence?
 
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I believe God excists yes.
On the other hand. not in a form of ultimate judgment. more as in a helping hand

So if he does not judge you and simply helps you, he helped Hitler kill all those Jews? Why would you worship a mass murderer?
 
I'd say no, there is no proof he does exist, but you also can't disprove it.
I have, and still am growing up in family without a religion and I'm always taught to believe whatever I wanna believe, and I don't believe in god.

Edit;If it's true what some say, and god excists, then why does cancer exist, aids, and the list goes on?
 
Edit;If it's true what some say, and god excists, then why does cancer exist, aids, and the list goes on?

Because Earth would get overpopulated.

And to have anything good, you must have evil as well. Good is only relative.
 
I'm not sure if double posting is allowed, but I'd also like to say that I voted yes, yet I follow more of a deistic approach to the way things are. I just find it really hard to comprehend the existence of something like DNA, a code, a language, without a designer. Yes, call it God-of-the-gaps. But I'm not saying that this designer can't be an alien, another supreme being, etc.

I just find it really hard to comprehend that it could come out "naturally".
 
I do little bit, because I want believe I'm going to somewhere peaceful place after I die, not just stuck on shadows.
 
I suppose the question depends on your definition of "god". God can mean different things to different people...
 
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