Does God exist?

But the burden of proof is on the believer.

For example, imagine if I said there was a celestial teapot in orbit around our moon. It was however so small that it could not be observed by any humans, or any technology we may use. There is no proof that it doesn't exist. Is it reasonable to believe such a teapot exists?

 

I'm Agnostic. And i see 1 flaw in it. I wish I could die with more peace and honor knowing that I will go to a heavenly Sanctuary with a reserved spot for me. A place to see all my passed loved ones like my little brother, my grandmother, etc. But I can't. I started out as a Christian, but at a young age where I couldn't have enough self-knowledge, I was drifted away from being a Christian and became agnostic because of some tools that thought their beliefs were the only right ones, so they kept criticizing me for my beliefs, pointing flaws in it, which later made me think hard, for a while, and made me agnostic.

Just to pinpoint my thoughts on this: I despise those who push their beliefs on other people, in fact, it makes me furious. Who cares what they believe and what benefit do they get from believing your belief rather than their own, that's not truly opinionated? All religions are opinionated as of now and can not be stated as facts, I agree, even atheism, so how about we keep it that way. As opinions. Do antagonize the ones that are living for something. I have seen Christians go through a homeless stage, my own friends actually, but they went through with a smile on their face, knowing that if they die today, a greater place will come to them. What do I get? I get hope if I become homeless out on the streets. I get a "This could happen". I get scared of death, while they are living for it.

If I could go back and change everything, I would go to school wearing earplugs just so I can have hope for the future.

P.S. To those who might say "Oh so you want to live a lie?" Well, it won't be any harm if I never find out it was a lie, don't you think? Let people have their own beliefs. And no point in quoting me to ask questions, I'm not that active of a member on Sythe, and I'll probably never be around to answer them, but feel free to base your own opinions off of this. Because this was all my opinion as well.

 

Nah. Its a myth that has been going around Facebook. People really think that if we were 10 feet further away from the sun the earth would be uninhabitable.

And yea. An infinite universe is one of numerous theories that could explain existence without a god.

You can't prove something does not exist unless you are omniscient. If there is not enough proof of a god you are a fool for believing in one.

 

God does exist as every little thing subjects to some sort of cause = God, though praying and shit in this society won't get you nowhere cos even Scholars are pulling down the boundaries of heaven <.<

 

I do believe in god. I am a Christian and I am proud of it as well.

I believe because I can't see how we (as living creatures) came to being.
How could everything (universe) start?
Where did the first proton/neutron/electron come from?
I choose to believe that there has always been this godly character, that has been in existence forever and then decided to do something XD. I just can't justify that all of the sudden there were atoms etc., or that there has always been atoms floating around. The way I see it, "God" is outside of everything (time, existence, universe, space[space as in space in a container, if that makes sense]).

"God" is just unaffected by the things that control us.

I don't see how people can say there is no proof. I guess this is true, but there are tons of things that haven't been discovered, and we don't even know all of the details on our solar-system. If we don't even know everything on the few planets we have near us, how can you expect scientists to find a "God"? There are umpteenth billions of galaxies, and we have never made it out of our solar-system.
What I'm saying is, once we search the universe end to end, I do not feel "there is no proof" as a valid argument. There really isn't proof on the big bang theory, just evidence of the effects that a big bang could have afterword (red shift theory evidence>universe expanding).

The whole subject is mind boggling, that's for sure.

Anywho, just my two cents.

 

I don't really pray but in circumstances i pray to god (Dangerous situations )

 

There are no facts that he does excist, but only people that believe that God excists.

 

How is it because things are subject to cause and effect that God is the cause?

If I have a piece of wood and I make a chair with a hammer, the cause is my labour and the hammer, the effect is the chair. Where does God come into this? How do you know God is the cause?

How did God start? If your answer is that God always existed, why can't the universe have always existed?

They were probably created shortly after the Big Bang Theory. If you don't follow the BBT, then they could have come about the same way God came about.

You can't justify that all of a sudden atoms appeared, but then how do you justify that all of a sudden God appeared? Also, if God is outside of existence, does that mean he doesn't exist? Because if God exists, that means he is within existence, for him to be outside of existence he must not exist, which means your God doesn't exist.

Sure.

Hang on. You say it's true that there is no proof, but you don't understand how people can say there is no proof? I'm confused.

If there is no evidence for the existence of God, why do you believe in it? For example, do you believe in faeries?

Proof is a bad word. If the preponderance of evidence points in one direction, what rational reason to you have to object to it? Remember, the burden of proof is on those postulating a positive claim. For example, If I told my Mum there's a monster under my bed, and she checks under it and doesn't see one, which is more scenario is more likely: there is a monster under the bed, or there is not?

 

I do believe in god. I am a Christian and I am proud of it as well.

I believe because I can't see how we (as living creatures) came to being.
How could everything (universe) start?
Where did the first proton/neutron/electron come from?
I choose to believe that there has always been this godly character, that has been in existence forever and then decided to do something XD. I just can't justify that all of the sudden there were atoms etc., or that there has always been atoms floating around. The way I see it, "God" is outside of everything (time, existence, universe, space[space as in space in a container, if that makes sense]).

"God" is just unaffected by the things that control us.

I don't see how people can say there is no proof. I guess this is true, but there are tons of things that haven't been discovered, and we don't even know all of the details on our solar-system. If we don't even know everything on the few planets we have near us, how can you expect scientists to find a "God"? There are umpteenth billions of galaxies, and we have never made it out of our solar-system.
What I'm saying is, once we search the universe end to end, I do not feel "there is no proof" as a valid argument. There really isn't proof on the big bang theory, just evidence of the effects that a big bang could have afterword (red shift theory evidence>universe expanding).

The whole subject is mind boggling, that's for sure.

Anywho, just my two cents.

 

Lets just say this.

There isn't enough proof to say he doesn't exist.

There isn't enough proof to say that he does exist.

I do believe in God though. I'm a christian and proud of it.

 

So if the universe could not have be spontaneously from nothing, how could god have been created? If he created everything, what created him?

Are you arguing that god is hiding out on some isolated planet? There is evidence that the big bang occured. You are just arguing semantics. The Big Bang theory follows the laws of reasoning and is much more valid than any creationist hypothesis. It requires less assumptions

Occam's Razor

So are you arguing that god exists outside of logic?

Scientists don't know exactly how everything originated, and that's okay. But they are working on it, finding new answers and rejecting invalid theories (e.g. cold fusion). You have this two millennia old book and refuse to accept that it is inherently illogical and flawed. There is no proof, and it is contrary to what we have found with science.




Replace evolution with big bang

 

Christians have been shown to be wrong again and again and again. The Earth is not flat. The Earth is not the center of the Universe. The Sun does not revolve around the sun. The "Heavenly Spheres" are not perfectly round. Creatures Evolved and were not created as they are. The Bible also is ripe with contradiction. There isn't proof of a god so you shouldn't believe in one. I'll say I don't know how certain things work or how they happened but I'll also say here are some theories that show how it could have happened or how it could work. God is not a theory that can be tested and science is slowly solving the mysteries of our world while at the same time making uncountably more mysteries for everyone it solves. Just shouting "GOD DID IT" does nothing except for making mystery stay mysterious.

 

No he does not. There is no proof he does and there is so much proof that he doesn't.

 

There is no proof that god does not exist, that is not something that is possible to ever be proven, even if Science did somehow prove that the universe was created a certain way, it would not disprove a god being a possibility it would just prove that stories in the bible were inaccurate.

All in all, I really hate this debate. Like some have said, there is no proof either way and all this debate ever comes down to is belief.

I voted yes because I believe in God. In my opinion, believing in a scientific explanation is just as far fetched as believing in someone zapping everything into existence.

 

Scientific explanation is supported by evidence whereas simple beliefs are not. Care to explain why you regard them as equal?

Also, there can be evidence against God. God is a logical contradiction, he violates the law of non-contradiction, thus he cannot exist in reality. Evidence of absense is also a form of evidence, so all in all, atheists have more evidence that God doesn't exist than theists do for Gods existence.

 

There are merely theories, and no actual evidence. There is evidence that show that theories can be possible, but nothing proving that they are true. Either way you look at it you are believing in something.

It is impossible to argue something as illogical fully without knowing all information regarding the situation. Logic itself is based on known circumstances and therefor wouldn't apply to the unknown. Saying that logic not being able to be applied to the unknown shows evidence that the unknown doesn't exist would in itself be illogical.

 

Let's take evolution for example. Do you think there is 'no actual evidence' to support evolution? Also, they are not merely theories, do you know the difference between a scientific theory, and the colloquial use of the word theory?

A characteristic of God is that he is omnipotent. That is all the information one needs to know, what you are saying is akin to saying that no knowledge can be known which in itself is a contradiction.

It is known that God is allegedly omnipotent.

No one is saying that logic cannot be applied, it is through the application of logic that we find God to be illogical. You yourself (presumably) claim God is omnipotent. Being omnipotent is a contradiction. Since contradictions violate the law of non-contradiction, they do not exist in reality.

 

In my opinion it's easily no. There is no way that there is some supreme being and ruler of the universe with all these natural disasters and diseases going around our world killing millions of innocent individuals, end of.

 

Evolution to the extent of coming from single celled organisms, no there is no evidence that shows this as fact, evolution as in things have the ability to evolve in certain aspects does not mean that a god can not exist, there would be room for both of these, so evolution really doesn't help your case.

How would that be a contradiction? Logic is based on known circumstances, if you try to apply logic to something with unknown circumstances then of course it will appear illogical but that doesn't make it wrong or false, it makes it unknown.

What I am saying is it is possible for God to exist, it is also possible for scientific explanations to be accurate and for God to not exist, however neither have concrete proof so whichever side you support is in essence believing or "having faith" in it.

they do not exist in known reality.

What you are saying is the same thing as saying, ever frog a person has seen has eyeballs, therefore all frogs have eyeballs. This would be inaccurate. The conclusion would be therefore all known frogs have eyeballs, however it would still be possible for a frog to exist that does not have eyeballs and has just yet to have been seen.

 

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0/endosymbiosis_03

You are missing the entire point, I am not arguing that evolution means God doesn't exist, I simply asked do you think whether or not there is 'no actual evidence' to support evolution?

I am not applying logic to unknown circumstances. Just talk about an omnipotent duck if you don't want to talk about God, an omnipotent duck still doesn't exist in reality because it is a logical contradiction.

It is possible for anything that is logically possible to exist. Unfortunately, God isn't a logically possible entity, therefore he doesn't exist (see below).

I'd say this is the case.

First part, read the title - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Second, WRONG. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence, you do not need ANY 'faith' to believe in scientific theories.

Wrong, contradictions do not exist in reality, period.

I am not using inductive reasoning. In fact, I rarely use inductive reasoning because I know of its problems.

Let me break this down even further.

Everything in reality has an identity. A thing without an identity is a contradiction because you are identifying it as an entity but claim it is identity-less.

God is an identity which encompasses all its characteristics, omnipotent, omniscience, etc.

A contradiction is merely when the characteristics of said identity (entity) *contradict* conflict with each other.

A characteristic of God is that he is omnipotent. I will not get into the omnipotency paradox, God has characteristic which contradicts itself, thus Gods identity is a contradiction.

The law of identity, and the law of non-contraidiction are universal thus, an entity which violates them cannot exist in reality, known, unknown, or anywhere in between.