Dave.

[I_DONT_BOT]

I know I'm not one to complain, especially about people who I'm very good friends with, but I support equality. I believe n4n0 and wulfspade both got demoted and banned for scamming last year, so why should Dave be any different. OK, he has paid it back, but the worth thing was is that n4n0 and wulf both owned up to theirs, and didn't get reported. If anything, Dave should be demoted and banned, and face a pardon to get unbanned (like any normal user would in a situation of a long term scam). I know this will probably get closed due to the fact that he's the most active staff member and has done a shit ton of mod-logs this past few months, but with a decision regarding someone who we are putting a high level of trust in, surely the community should be allowed to express their thoughts aswell?

Threads of the scam

#1 : http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1527711-stui-vs-dave.html
#2 : http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1527924-stui-vs-dave-second.html
#3 : http://www.sythe.org/feedback/1528956-what-shit.html

 

[Fendle]

If it was true that Stui was requesting payment and Dave wasn't paying up it should have some consequences. I am not fully aware of the full situation tho.

 

[Heeatz]

Imo stui is in the right here. he has waited SEVEN MONTHS for payment and still not recieved it.

 

[Punjabi3]

Dave should have repaid the debts stui owed and gave the money back to Stui, from the chats it looks like Stui has a gambling addiction and Dave was trying to be a good friend and not let stui stake all his money away, but that is assuming. I agree with Stui about having an interest on his money, he should get a bank interest rate on his money from Dave for the time it was held. I'm sure its not hard to find a semi-annual rate to put on the money, 5% is too much for an interest rate and no bank would ever give you that rate but 0.25% is the normal rate around here but it is probably different elsewhere. Also Dave should be paying the full amount owed, not the amount which was agreed upon a while back. I'm not really sure on the full situation and this is based on what you linked above.

Has Dave paid Stui back the full amount that was owed?

 

[jsak1c]

Has Dave paid Stui back the full amount that was owed?

obviously not if he keeps making these threads and accounts

 

[ivyfpop]

obviously not if he keeps making these threads and accounts

You're wrong, don't put your input if you don't know what you're talking about.
From what I saw on the thread, which is really confusing to know for sure if it's true, due to the fact that stui's needs keep changing on the amount he wants, but I believe they agreed to an amount, $40 or something, and dave paid that and so I think, not for sure on this, that he has paid him.

 

[jsak1c]

You're wrong, don't put your input if you don't know what you're talking about.
From what I saw on the thread, which is really confusing to know for sure if it's true, due to the fact that stui's needs keep changing on the amount he wants, but I believe they agreed to an amount, $40 or something, and dave paid that and so I think, not for sure on this, that he has paid him.

he was asking if dave paid the full amount owed, which he hasnt, and thats the only reason people keep making threads about it.

the full amount owed, not the 40$.

 

[ivyfpop]

he was asking if dave paid the full amount owed, which he hasnt, and thats the only reason people keep making threads about it.

the full amount owed, not the 40$.

From what I read, stui offered to accept the $40 and forget about the full amount, completely, as it has been so long and he wants to cut losses.

 

[jsak1c]

From what I read, stui offered to accept the $40 and forget about the full amount, completely, as it has been so long and he wants to cut losses.

so why is stui still crying he hasn't received the "full" amount

 

[ivyfpop]

so why is stui still crying he hasn't received the "full" amount

I though the stopped, but everybody knows stui and he likes to keep going for things after he should have stopped, they probably
1. came to an agreement.
2.Dave paid.
3.Stui says he wants full amount now.
4.Dave gets annoyed by him and leaves.
If dave or another mod could clarify on this topic that would be good.

 

[Emperor Nero]

I though the stopped, but everybody knows stui and he likes to keep going for things after he should have stopped, they probably
1. came to an agreement.
2.Dave paid.
3.Stui says he wants full amount now.
4.Dave gets annoyed by him and leaves.
If dave or another mod could clarify on this topic that would be good.

Go back and re-read the threads. He only repaid the agreed amount after an extremely extended period of time, the same thing Stui himself was originally banned for.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Why doesn't Dave (Or any moderator for that matter) not have access to ~300 dollars? My girlfriend makes more than that in a week working part-time waitress hrs along with school, and you're telling me a "RSGP seller" doesn't have 300 bucks...

What kind of background check is done on moderators (You're entrusting them with power)?

The problem is promoting people without any real circumstances, except "They're active in section X" and they report a lot! When's the last time anyone has been interviewed for a position? I don't even know how old this guy is??? Is he a 14-15 year old kid or a 23 year old adult??? What are his financial standings (Obviously no one knows since no one can come up with 300 bucks)?? I mean does he have a job or is he relying solely on funds from his Sythe business (More likely to scam/weasel out if you don't have another source of income to repay a debt)?? These are things that should be taken into consideration and should have been already. You're giving someone a position, so just as in the real-world, and interview process can be a shit ton more helpful than our current process....

 

The problem I see is that he had the money... he could have paid back long time ago and it's not acceptable. I don't deem a ban necessary, but a demotion fits right in the situation.

Should have not happened.

 

[ivyfpop]

Go back and re-read the threads. He only repaid the agreed amount after an extremely extended period of time, the same thing Stui himself was originally banned for.

So, I don't get what you mean by re-read the threads when what i posted was correct..

 

[Emperor Nero]

So, I don't get what you mean by re-read the threads when what i posted was correct..

Well then you obviously see the contradiction in your argument, or what I understand you argument to be. How can Dave get away with what Stui himself had been banned for, especially if the funds were available for him to be paid back? Good friend or not a contract is a contract.

 

[jake123456789]

From what I read, stui offered to accept the $40 and forget about the full amount, completely, as it has been so long and he wants to cut losses.

Stui has done that multiple times, and each time the agreement is met, he then asks for more then threatens to report. Multiple times dave has encouraged him to report it, each time stui declined and waited awhile then attempted to get more.

 

[jsak1c]

well whats the protocol when a mod is facing possible demotion?

staff vote?

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Stui has done that multiple times, and each time the agreement is met, he then asks for more then threatens to report. Multiple times dave has encouraged him to report it, each time stui declined and waited awhile then attempted to get more.

"Get more" as in from the initial agreed amount that should have been paid back regardless? That dirty slime!

I guarantee that if seven months elapsed, you won't be seeing any money, so fuck all contracts/agreements (Since the terms are being disregarded and stepped all over anyway - Essentially it's voided.), you might as well extort your rightful amount any way you can. Any of you would.

Why did Stui owe TBT and Pockets in the first place? Can anyone fill me in on that?

 

[jake123456789]

stui owed TBT and pockets because he borrowed money to start a gp shop I believe.

And yes I would try to get what was rightfully mine, however when you make an agreement with someone that you want them to do something for you, and it will be split 50/50, you cant change it to 75/25 because you got cleaned staking etc. Every penny stui received, went to gambling, or for booters or booter credits


It is true dave had the money to repay stui, multiple times. However what some of you don't realize is what the money was asked for. I was in a number of skype calls/convo's with dave and stui, and dave would be asked for 15 dollars of what was owed for a booter etc. I heard dave tell him a number of times he would give him money if it was towards a productive cause rather then booters etc. Stui told everyone the debt collectors called and his mom paid them, and he now owe his mom. Dave told him if the money was going to his mom he would be more then happy to give him money, and each time it was staked away or used to buy stuff from hackforums.

 

[Laptop65]

well whats the protocol when a mod is facing possible demotion?

staff vote?

That's an upper staff thing. I don't think a mod's position should be held in the hands of the community.

I think it could be the simple case that Dave doesn't have the funds but at the same time doesn't want to get banned/lose his staff position. If this is the case he really should be honest about it.

A one choice poll should be added to this thread -

Option 1 - "Dave should refund Stui the remaining $163.39"

Option 2 - "Dave does not need to refund Stui the remaining $163.39"

Purely for Community discussion of course.

And, what Stui does with his money is his business.