Dave.

[Heeatz]

stui owed TBT and pockets because he borrowed money to start a gp shop I believe.

And yes I would try to get what was rightfully mine, however when you make an agreement with someone that you want them to do something for you, and it will be split 50/50, you cant change it to 75/25 because you got cleaned staking etc. Every penny stui received, went to gambling, or for booters or booter credits


It is true dave had the money to repay stui, multiple times. However what some of you don't realize is what the money was asked for. I was in a number of skype calls/convo's with dave and stui, and dave would be asked for 15 dollars of what was owed for a booter etc. I heard dave tell him a number of times he would give him money if it was towards a productive cause rather then booters etc. Stui told everyone the debt collectors called and his mom paid them, and he now owe his mom. Dave told him if the money was going to his mom he would be more then happy to give him money, and each time it was staked away or used to buy stuff from hackforums.

From Stui:

"Jake, you were one of the people there the whole time so you know how much of an arsehole dave was, and since you have obviously taken his side, nothing I say will matter, I dont know if you were in the convo when he agreed to a $30 fee (that was the night I got plastered and was falling off the chair and shit). And not all of it went straight to gambling, if it did how did Time To Buy get his money back?

And as for booters, it is my money and I can do whatever I want

When I told dave the debt collectors rang, he said have 30m... he didn't say I would give you the money to pay the debt collectors back and he never did, if you have proof of that I would love to see it

Remember that time when that toucan flew into the window on youtube"

 

[jake123456789]

Im not taking sides stui, Do you not recall you asking me for your share of the money while I had daves money? And me and you discussed it and I spoke with you and dave in a call and we all came to the conclusion that you recieved the 530 from paypal, then you had dave charge it back. That you were both taking a risk and it should be split 50/50. You more then agreed and said that half would be enough, dave gave you what he had on hand at the time. I'm in no way saying that the repayment should have taken this long. Dave flat out did take too long. And you're right, what you do with your money is up to you, but you're also failing to see dave was trying to look out for you. He told you a number of times to stop with the blackhat/vading because he wanted to see you back on sythe. You know I think daves an asshole, stui I think you're an asshole too. You guys used to be friends and are fucking it up over dumb shit.

 

[Detroit]

From Stui:

''That was under the assumtion that I wouldn't have to pay it back, Why would I tell Dave to chargeback and then take a $265 loss''

 

[jake123456789]

From Stui:

''That was under the assumtion that I wouldn't have to pay it back, Why would I tell Dave to chargeback and then take a $265 loss''

Because without dave it was a 530 dollar loss.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

stui owed TBT and pockets because he borrowed money to start a gp shop I believe.

And yes I would try to get what was rightfully mine, however when you make an agreement with someone that you want them to do something for you, and it will be split 50/50, you cant change it to 75/25 because you got cleaned staking etc. Every penny stui received, went to gambling, or for booters or booter credits


It is true dave had the money to repay stui, multiple times. However what some of you don't realize is what the money was asked for. I was in a number of skype calls/convo's with dave and stui, and dave would be asked for 15 dollars of what was owed for a booter etc. I heard dave tell him a number of times he would give him money if it was towards a productive cause rather then booters etc. Stui told everyone the debt collectors called and his mom paid them, and he now owe his mom. Dave told him if the money was going to his mom he would be more then happy to give him money, and each time it was staked away or used to buy stuff from hackforums.

I meant why did Dave owe TBT and the other guy, not Stui? Sorry for the mistake.

 

[jake123456789]

I meant why did Dave owe TBT and the other guy, not Stui? Sorry for the mistake.

Dave doesnt/didnt owe them money

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Short story short, mods shouldn't get special circumstances, especially when they didn't 2 years ago.

 

Dave never owed me or anyone, and even while Stui did owe us he shouldn't have held Stui's cash.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

 

missread and voted no, If anyone can , please change/reset my vote on this poll.
I think Dave should give him full refund, that much how much he got from stui.

 

[Laptop65]

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

most people don't know*

Hardly anyone knows Dave's side. And until they do its likely they will support Stui in this. Unless Dave actually posts something people are probably going to support Stui until they hear what he has to say.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

To be fair though in the real world those who owe a debt to you cannot hold it because you are a spendthrift legally, unless it has been setup as a trust and I am 100% positive that Dave didn't hold a spendthrift trust over Stui.

I also think the poll is sort of deceiving, because I don't believe that if he has to pay back that is it. There should be ramifications in my opinion.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Pretty much what Nero said. When it comes to debt, it doesn't matter if the collector wants a kilo of blow, 500 dildos, or a fucking 1 night prostitute. If you owe someone, you owe someone regardless of whether or not you think it's "in their best interest" to give them their money or not. Plus wasn't Stui banned at the time? This is like making a deal with a hackforum member and then refusing to pay back because you find what they do harmful and malice. Point being, why even make the deal if you're just going to decide someone's best interest, especially someone who's interests don't have to reflect Sythe rules anymore?

Terms/agreements are here for a reason guys, there's no changing, altering, withholding, etc. Dave may be a good guy in spirit if he 'truly' was concerned about Stui's intentions, but he's not his father. Sorry dude but you really should just bite the bullet and fork over the 200 bucks... Seriously, it's not much and it's definitely not worth all of this hassle. Geez, I probably would've gave him double by now just to keep my name from being slandered. Forget any "Compensation" agreements you made with him (I don't understand why he can't buy hack tools with all of the small amounts you gave him..? Why does it matter exactly how much you give him?), just pay the full amount. You're a mod dude, preserve your name and be the bigger person, don't just pay the 6.50 or whatever and just turn your head and ignore...

 

[S]

Pretty much what Nero said. When it comes to debt, it doesn't matter if the collector wants a kilo of blow, 500 dildos, or a fucking 1 night prostitute. If you owe someone, you owe someone regardless of whether or not you think it's "in their best interest" to give them their money or not. Plus wasn't Stui banned at the time? This is like making a deal with a hackforum member and then refusing to pay back because you find what they do harmful and malice. Point being, why even make the deal if you're just going to decide someone's best interest, especially someone who's interests don't have to reflect Sythe rules anymore?

Terms/agreements are here for a reason guys, there's no changing, altering, withholding, etc. Dave may be a good guy in spirit if he 'truly' was concerned about Stui's intentions, but he's not his father. Sorry dude but you really should just bite the bullet and fork over the 200 bucks... Seriously, it's not much and it's definitely not worth all of this hassle. Geez, I probably would've gave him double by now just to keep my name from being slandered. Forget any "Compensation" agreements you made with him (I don't understand why he can't buy hack tools with all of the small amounts you gave him..? Why does it matter exactly how much you give him?), just pay the full amount. You're a mod dude, preserve your name and be the bigger person, don't just pay the 6.50 or whatever and just turn your head and ignore...

I agree with this. Dave is an awesome guy, but the logic and reasoning here is undeniable.

 

[Heeatz]

You're wrong, don't put your input if you don't know what you're talking about.
From what I saw on the thread, which is really confusing to know for sure if it's true, due to the fact that stui's needs keep changing on the amount he wants, but I believe they agreed to an amount, $40 or something, and dave paid that and so I think, not for sure on this, that he has paid him.

No sir. YOU'RE WRONG. Get off this thread like now. Stui asks Dave to chargeback $530 to repay or something. he asks for it back, and Dave refuses, either because he's spent it or something or he wont give it him since he's not using it for 'creative' stuff or whatever.

Why would he say chargeback $530 and then accept $40 back? you are clearly retarded if you think that.

From Stui:

Because without dave it was a 530 dollar loss.

"No, I had to pay back the $530+ $660, so without Dave it would have been a $660 debt, not $1160"

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

"Yes, he did do it in my best intrest and I understand that, however I don't support him having the money and not paying me for the 1st month, let alone the next 6 to come."

 

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

dude stfu its no1's right to refuse to give people their money back. There was a agreement and Dave refused to pay stui end of the story. Dave can blaim it on gambling and w.e else he wants. doesnt matter it was stui;s and dave refused to pay him the agreed amount. Ban the ------------ or atleast demote him ill let u fill the blanks.


dave should be banned from the market till this is settled he is a threat to the community. Stop worrying about him making money and start worrying about the community you suppossedly care so much about...

 

[FireZ]

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

This. His actions are justified, but i do want the remaining payment given someday, as for when is on stui

 

[Heeatz]

This. His actions are justified, but i do want the remaining payment given someday, as for when is on stui

You mean the full amount? or this bullshit partial payment?

Tbh

dave should be banned from the market till this is settled he is a threat to the community. Stop worrying about him making money and start worrying about the community you suppossedly care so much about...

this

 

[Emperor Nero]

This. His actions are justified, but i do want the remaining payment given someday, as for when is on stui

Well he made a report, so I am guessing he wants it back now. As I said before, you can't withhold payment to someone because they're going to buy something you don't approve of.

Say I buy a car off of a person and I find out after one payment they're using the money to buy tobacco or something. I can't stop paying them because I don't agree with them buying those things. I have contractually obligated myself you pay on the times specified in the contract or a reasonable amount of time. If Dave truly owes the money for as long as he has then there is NO way that hasn't broke the reasonable time rule.

We have to be fair here, best interest are irrelevant when you have an agreement.

 

Can I just quickly say, I fully understand why Dave refused to give stui the money on certain occasions, there is certain info which some people don't know, he did it for the best for stui, as a friend and not just a repayer.

This.



Dave's doing the right thing for Stui, he's in no way an untrustworthy person.
Anyone who's dealt with or spoken to Dave will know he's more than a decent guy and you should have trust in this that things are being handled as best they can for the situation.