Black Lives Matter

[SuF]

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2. That makes no sense. In order for blacks to be more likely to be shot in the past 5 years, the study from 10 years prior would have needed blacks to be 30% less likely to be shot? What backwards logic is this?

3. Whether racism was the issue in that particular case is up in the air. I don't believe the end result was a direct cause of racism, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that his actions could have been influenced by who the offender was. The best outcome would have been for both parties to be still alive. Having reviewed the case many times, shooting wasn't the only option. Police departments teach officers to shoot first, and it doesn't help that a subconscious bias in terms of cautious approach based on the appearance of someone can be involved. That is the problem.

4. While I do think saying blacks are targeted for death is a long stretch, I do believe they are targeted in a general sense. Stop and frisk, use of force, and traffic stops are all put into question.

5. Your idea of what is racist differs from the actual definition. Can you provide an example of how BLM is racist?

You must have done the math wrong with the calculator if you arrived at your numbers then. You've completely misunderstood what I was saying. If 5 years out of 15 years are vastly different than another period then 1/3 of the data is vastly different. That is much different than only 2/28 being vastly different.

 

You must have done the math wrong with the calculator if you arrived at your numbers then. You've completely misunderstood what I was saying. If 5 years out of 15 years are vastly different than another period then 1/3 of the data is vastly different. That is much different than only 2/28 being vastly different.

You're taking the example too literally. Read the notice I left in my previous reply.

 

[SuF]

You're taking the example too literally. Read the notice I left in my previous reply.

Yes I understand your note but what I am saying is it makes no difference unless there were absolutely massive differences in the first 10 years vs the last 5 years which I highly doubt there was.

 

[Floridian]

I think it's pissing off other races enormously , and they're pretty much sick of the "woe pity me, I'm black" role that is often played.

 

[SuF]

I think it's pissing off other races enormously , and they're pretty much sick of the "woe pity me, I'm black" role that is often played.

But that doesn't mean that the protesters do not have legitimate issues, right?

 

At this point, they are not fighting for equality, they are fighting for privilege. This just undermines the reasoning behind their own campaign. They are a new breed of SJW.

"We deserve to be more equal!"

 

[ljc_og]

They have become a hate group that came from something with good intentions.

 

[Floridian]

But that doesn't mean that the protesters do not have legitimate issues, right?

They have legitimate cause to be angry at their treatment, yes, but just as much as any other race. There are a significant amount of protestors who have turned the movement into a racially motivated movement. I've heard the explanations, "BLACK LIVES MATTER(as much as any other live), but it just isn't portrayed that way and a large portion of the movement has turned it into a negative movement.

 

They have legitimate cause to be angry at their treatment, yes, but just as much as any other race. There are a significant amount of protestors who have turned the movement into a racially motivated movement. I've heard the explanations, "BLACK LIVES MATTER(as much as any other live), but it just isn't portrayed that way and a large portion of the movement has turned it into a negative movement.

I'm not understanding. The phrase 'Black Lives Matter' insinuates that their lives are equal to everyone else's. The movement started because they felt their lives were undervalued, not overvalued. How can the movement not be racially motivated? Read the slogan.

 

[Floridian]

I'm not understanding. The phrase 'Black Lives Matter' insinuates that their lives are equal to everyone else's. The movement started because they felt their lives were undervalued, not overvalued. How can the movement not be racially motivated? Read the slogan.

Let me rephrase that. Negative racially motivated movement. It no longer is a peaceful "hey, we're here." It's shutting down highways, rioting and raiding stores, shooting police, and quite a few of their demonstrations have shown negative displays towards other races, especially whites.

 

Let me rephrase that. Negative racially motivated movement. It no longer is a peaceful "hey, we're here." It's shutting down highways, rioting and raiding stores, shooting police, and quite a few of their demonstrations have shown negative displays towards other races, especially whites.

Not that I agree with the methodology, but what will a "hey, we're here" protest do in attempt to change systematic oppression?

 

[Floridian]

Not that I agree with the methodology, but what will a "hey, we're here" protest do in attempt to change systematic oppression?

There is no systematic oppression. For Christs sake we just nominated a black president for two consecutive elections. These are people who think that others are out to get them because they're black, and it's folly.

More black people get pulled over, put in prison, or shot, because they commit crime at a higher rate than other races. A white man will suffer the same consequences if he commits the same crime. It is however more likely that a black man will commit a crime worthy of the consequences than a white man, based on statistics of crime per ethnicity, and then compared against the percentage of that ethnicity per national population.

 

[tMoon]

They have become a hate group that came from something with good intentions.

Evidence?

There is no systematic oppression. For Christs sake we just nominated a black president for two consecutive elections. These are people who think that others are out to get them because they're black, and it's folly.

More black people get pulled over, put in prison, or shot, because they commit crime at a higher rate than other races. A white man will suffer the same consequences if he commits the same crime. It is however more likely that a black man will commit a crime worthy of the consequences than a white man, based on statistics of crime per ethnicity, and then compared against the percentage of that ethnicity per national population.

Nominating a black president who won by a thin margin hardly presents itself as an argument that racism is dead.

How do you justify African Americans being arrested for smoking marijuana at 3-5x the rate of white people, yet smoking at a lower rate than white people? Does this not undermine your entire argument? Statistics are not as simple as "well they are arrested so they must do it more often."

 

[Floridian]

Evidence?



Nominating a black president who won by a thin margin hardly presents itself as an argument that racism is dead.

How do you justify African Americans being arrested for smoking marijuana at 3-5x the rate of white people, yet smoking at a lower rate than white people? Does this not undermine your entire argument? Statistics are not as simple as "well they are arrested so they must do it more often."

No one has ever been arrested for smoking marijuana. They've been arrested for possessing it. It doesn't have anything to do with smoking less, it just means they get caught with it more often.

 

[tMoon]

No one has ever been arrested for smoking marijuana. They've been arrested for possessing it. It doesn't have anything to do with smoking less, it just means they get caught with it more often.

You are 100% playing semantics. Smoking marijuana is still illegal due to possession that is occurring during the smoking itself.

White people smoke marijuana (and therefore posses it) more (or at the same rate) as black people, yet are arrested less. Actual rate depends partially on location and all, but as a whole it is equal or higher; therefore, with your logic, they should be arrested the same. They are not.

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

 

[SuF]

You are 100% playing semantics. Smoking marijuana is still illegal due to possession that is occurring during the smoking itself.

White people smoke marijuana (and therefore posses it) more (or at the same rate) as black people, yet are arrested less. Actual rate depends partially on location and all, but as a whole it is equal or higher; therefore, with your logic, they should be arrested the same. They are not.

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

That doesn't prove anything racist is going on, though. It is entirely possible that there other factors for why certain populations are facing higher arrest rates. Perhaps more people are arrested where there is generally more crime which tend to be places where there are large blocks of blacks. I don't know how this data is aggregated (on mobile so I'm not checking) but it also could potentially be that people are being arrested for other crimes and getting booked for pot possession as well.

 

[malakadang]

My perception of the group is that it is whiny, and it fits into my 'nonsense liberal' schema.

I have no doubt that unintentional discrimination exists (although I personally don't think that is as bad a thing as people say). What I do think however, is that the cause of a lot of the issues in the 'black community' is quite simply their upbringing and culture. Given that most are now raised by single-moms who aren't much better, given that the American 'education' system is not the best, and given that education is the best tool in achieving both inter and intragenerational upwards social mobility, I think BLM is only going to make things worse for the black community. The biggest problem is not discrimination.

There's a lot that can be said on this, and topics tangential, but I think that the erosion of the nuclear family in the black community has done the most harm. Blacks have a good reason to be pissed off, no one chooses the family they are born into, nor the situation they find themselves in. Unfortunately, I think they're channeling their anger in the wrong area.

 

[Floridian]

You are 100% playing semantics. Smoking marijuana is still illegal due to possession that is occurring during the smoking itself.

White people smoke marijuana (and therefore posses it) more (or at the same rate) as black people, yet are arrested less. Actual rate depends partially on location and all, but as a whole it is equal or higher; therefore, with your logic, they should be arrested the same. They are not.

https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

I never said they should be arrested the same. I said obviously blacks are caught with marijuana more often than whites. The statistics you provided support this.

 

[SuF]

I never said they should be arrested the same. I said obviously blacks are caught with marijuana more often than whites. The statistics you provided support this.

But just because they are caught more often does not mean they use it more. There is a good care to me made for drug laws being racist as there is some evidence that Nixon specifically wrote them with the knowledge they would disproportionately affect minorities.

 

[Floridian]

But just because they are caught more often does not mean they use it more. There is a good care to me made for drug laws being racist as there is some evidence that Nixon specifically wrote them with the knowledge they would disproportionately affect minorities.

I didn't say they used it more often either.

My point is that issues like these are being over examined. We don't need to get into statistics over who's arrested with marijuana more often.

Whoever is caught with marijuana more often are the ones that will be arrested more often, bottom line.