Ask Grave Anything (RS Gold)

I don't use PayPal. Not because of the chargebacks, but because I have issues with the company itself. Always accept payments as "services" and stay away from gifts and such.

Ah I see, you pay people with the paypal but you do not receive payments through it. ;P
If I do not offer a paypal option won't this reduce my customers considerably as majority of people use paypal?

Yes. You need to get a Western Union Prepaid card. http://wuprepaid.com

Ah I see, once you have the card can you then electronically send the balance to your bank account?

I think I pretty much answered this above. It's very easy to charge payments back. Even if the person pays with their balance, they can still file for an unauthorized claim. I am planning on releasing a payment gateway soon for users to where they can trade using PayPal more safely. Basically, the goal is to make sure the person is paying using their own account and also making sure they can't fake being hacked. A lot of people can switch their IPs and pretend they are hacked, so it's essential you know where their IP is from when they send the payment. This can be done by using a custom webform.

Can you go into more detail about the webforms, why they are the bees knees and - i'm assuming they aren't possible on sythe. Any places to be able to do so or an alternative for sythe? I'm not looking to make a website.


I noticed for when you are buying RSGP (receiving their cash) that your methods are: Google checkouts, bip mobile, WU, Skrill, alertpay and other.
Which ones are the most popular? I've never heard of bip mobile, skrill and alertpay. Google checkouts, Skrill and alertpay seem to allow them to pay via debit/credit/prepaid and bank transfers too. What payment methods are listed in other?

 

[Grave]

How safe are giftcard trades?

Amazon/Itunes/Moneypak

Amazon, iTunes, and any of the giftcards you can purchase online can be unsafe. This especially happens often with Netflix and WoW timecards. If you buy a giftcard, make sure they ship it to you, or at least make sure it's a physical card to be safer. As for Moneypaks, they are fairly safe. To stay on the absolute safe side though, ask them for a picture of a receipt and make sure they paid with cash.

What's the best bot for making money atm and how many could I run on my PC? My PC has:

8gb RAM
Intel Core i7 @ 3.40 (8 CPUs)

There are a lot of bots out there. I've always preferred Sorc Garden because I'm familiar with it, but I'm sure there are custom scripts that can reach 500K+ an hour. Just check the scripts section. With your PC, you can probably run 10-15 bots. If you overclock it and add some RAM, you could do maybe 15-25, depending on the bot type.

Ah I see, you pay people with the paypal but you do not receive payments through it. ;P
If I do not offer a paypal option won't this reduce my customers considerably as majority of people use paypal?

Yes, it will reduce your customers greatly, but after a while you build a customer base around your new accepted payments. For example, RSUltimate does not accept PayPal directly, but we're the number 1 visited gold site from Sythe.

Ah I see, once you have the card can you then electronically send the balance to your bank account?

You can send Western Union payments with it and withdraw at an ATM.

Can you go into more detail about the webforms, why they are the bees knees and - i'm assuming they aren't possible on sythe. Any places to be able to do so or an alternative for sythe? I'm not looking to make a website.

Well, up to a point you can do it with just a simple PayPal Buy Now button. However, to be more secure, you would need the customer's IP address, phone number, and RS display name, with the amount of gold being delivered, in the item's description. An IP allows you to make sure they are from the same location as their verified PayPal address. A phone check will also assure that, as the area code should be close to their area. You can also call them to confirm, ask them to send you an e-mail from their PayPal to confirm they have access to it, and get identification to make sure their name matches.

I noticed for when you are buying RSGP (receiving their cash) that your methods are: Google checkouts, bip mobile, WU, Skrill, alertpay and other.
Which ones are the most popular? I've never heard of bip mobile, skrill and alertpay. Google checkouts, Skrill and alertpay seem to allow them to pay via debit/credit/prepaid and bank transfers too. What payment methods are listed in other?

For buying gold, people usually ask for the following payments, in order of popularity: PayPal (because I'm trusted and it's fast), Western Union, Moneygram, Skrill, AlertPay, Liberty Reserve, Google Checkout.

Onebip is terrible, try to stay away from it unless you absolutely need a mobile payment provider. Skrill is the new Moneybookers, and it's like a safer and less used version of PayPal. AlertPay could also be called a competitor between Moneybookers and PayPal, and Google Checkout is a little bit different: the sending and receiving portions are separate, and it's all done directly through cards.

 

[Euphoriad]

Has anyone tried to buy off you, but when you rang them up, they were little kids, what would you do then?

 

[FloydZeppelin]

I've actually never been rolled. I would go ahead and read a post someone made about it (in this section I think, it should be a sticky) but from what I've seen, Jagex doesn't get close to you unless:

• You're just trading huge amounts
• Your IP is from China

And that was before February 2012. It appears they've basically lost all focus on rolling back accounts. I wouldn't use a VPN, because that actually makes it riskier, in terms of them looking at a log of your IPs. I would just make sure your source is safe. That means no hacked accounts, bug abuse, etc.

Do you think it's generally better to keep a vast amount of gp on maybe 1-2 accounts, or should it be rationed out between like 6 mules?

Sorry, but I've never really done rsgp sales like I'm planning on starting.

 

[Grave]

Has anyone tried to buy off you, but when you rang them up, they were little kids, what would you do then?

I've had people change their voice and pretend to be their mom. I just cancel their payment and tell them to leave, lol.

Do you think it's generally better to keep a vast amount of gp on maybe 1-2 accounts, or should it be rationed out between like 6 mules?

Sorry, but I've never really done rsgp sales like I'm planning on starting.

I run a business with a few people, so we generally keep 2B per account.

 

[StevenDoomed]

Hey western union question.

If i were to sell gold via WU how does this work.
Does the buyer send me a code or something that i use to cash it out at a shop with WU?
How long does it take for the money to come through into cash?

 

[Grave]

Hey western union question.

If i were to sell gold via WU how does this work.
Does the buyer send me a code or something that i use to cash it out at a shop with WU?
How long does it take for the money to come through into cash?

It's a 10-digit code and you need their name and location. It's instant, as long as they send "Money in Minutes"

 

[StevenDoomed]

It's a 10-digit code and you need their name and location. It's instant, as long as they send "Money in Minutes"

Does it require me to sign up to WU?
Can i receive money from the USA if im in the UK?

 

[Ricky Bobby]

What was your starting cashpile?

 

[bRANAHAN]

I presume that you have to file for tax on your income from RS, so where exactly do you say the income has came from?

 

[win4fun]

Why do you not advise accepting gifts as payments on paypal?

Also what video recording software do you use? All of the ones i've experimented with record MASSIVE files.

Thanks

 

Well, up to a point you can do it with just a simple PayPal Buy Now button.

Yeah I looked into this previously and I thought it was a good idea, but for different quantities generally people charge different amounts, (more gold, charge less) so I would need a lot of buttons to be made?

For buying gold, people usually ask for the following payments, in order of popularity: PayPal (because I'm trusted and it's fast), Western Union, Moneygram, Skrill, AlertPay, Liberty Reserve, Google Checkout.
Skrill is the new Moneybookers, and it's like a safer and less used version of PayPal. AlertPay could also be called a competitor between Moneybookers and PayPal, and Google Checkout is a little bit different: the sending and receiving portions are separate, and it's all done directly through cards.

So Moneybookers no longer exists and is no Skrill?

If people send money to me through Playerauctions from paypal can I receive it on Skrill/moneybookers

Sounds like I'll be using WU, Moneygram, Skrill/moneybookers and maybe alert pay. I've heard that most of these are airtight against chargebacks, etc. Which ones do have possibilities of chargebacks? How can I defend myself against them? Same as with paypal?

 

[Grave]

Why do you not advise accepting gifts as payments on paypal?

PayPal will eventually limit your account for breaking their terms of service. Also, it doesn't even stop chargebacks. It only makes it slightly harder at times to file a dispute.

Also what video recording software do you use? All of the ones i've experimented with record MASSIVE files.

Thanks

Hypercam 2, put it on the following settings: 1 frames per second, Auto select compressor, 85% quality. Should be 1MB or less per video if you do it from the beginning of the time user hits ACCEPT, until about one second after the trade is complete.

Yeah I looked into this previously and I thought it was a good idea, but for different quantities generally people charge different amounts, (more gold, charge less) so I would need a lot of buttons to be made?

Umm, you can do it with a URL and edit the price yourself as you give it to the customers. Not too hard

So Moneybookers no longer exists and is no Skrill?

They just changed the name for marketing purposes, since they introduced it to the United States.

If people send money to me through Playerauctions from paypal can I receive it on Skrill/moneybookers

Yes. That's what I use

Sounds like I'll be using WU, Moneygram, Skrill/moneybookers and maybe alert pay. I've heard that most of these are airtight against chargebacks, etc. Which ones do have possibilities of chargebacks? How can I defend myself against them? Same as with paypal?

Disputes are very possible on AlertPay, but generally, they will work out stuff with you MUCH BETTER than PayPal. They are also possible on Moneybookers, but rare. Otherwise, WU and Moneygram are 99.99% safe.

You can almost never defend yourself from chargebacks. You can only protect yourself if someone files a dispute, rather.

Does it require me to sign up to WU?
Can i receive money from the USA if im in the UK?

You have to sign up, and I believe the online version is US only for receiving money. You can, however, go pick it up at a store still.

What was your starting cashpile?

I've had many different business ventures, and each was with a different amount of starting cash. My original was $5000, in around 2005-2006.

I presume that you have to file for tax on your income from RS, so where exactly do you say the income has came from?

My sister's a lawyer, so she files taxes for me, but I believe she filed it as a general revenue/loss business. It's basically the same thing as any other type of business, with some specific stuff to online businesses. For example, if you conduct a lot of your business within your state, your taxes will be really high, but otherwise, it's generally 10-20% of your net revenue, within the US. If you use TurboTax, it will help you along the way.

 

[kmjt]

Cool thread.

1. When you file taxes are you able to save any money on wipes and hackings.. is there any way they can be listed as a business loss? What other "business losses" do you save money on taxes from?

2. When filing taxes would you get money back from PA fees? Paypal fees, etc.? I'm almost positive that paypal fees can be used as a deductible in our case. However if people accept and send payments as a gift they would not be allowed to claim this deductible. Another reason why payments should not be sent as a personal payment.

 

[Grave]

Cool thread.

1. When you file taxes are you able to save any money on wipes and hackings.. is there any way they can be listed as a business loss? What other "business losses" do you save money on taxes from?

Actually, yes. That's listed under inventory loss/damage. Chargebacks are listed under customer refunds/loss from sales. If you purchase a computer solely for your business, such as botting, that can also be filed off. Other things: RS membership, VPNs, Hosting, software.

2. When filing taxes would you get money back from PA fees? Paypal fees, etc.? I'm almost positive that paypal fees can be used as a deductible in our case. However if people accept and send payments as a gift they would not be allowed to claim this deductible. Another reason why payments should not be sent as a personal payment.

When filing a 1099* form for PayPal, it lists your revenue, and fees are already subtracted from this. Therefore, when you receive a $100 payment and get $91 from it, that's the amount you actually received from that sale. You file that as, basically, all gains from your business. Then you start filing off the cost of buying the gold, and all losses. Therefore, PayPal fees are already deducted from this.

Example:
I sold $100,000 in gold; we ignore this number, because we never received the full amount.
After fees, I received $91,000, so this is what I made.
Gold cost me $50,000 to buy, and I had $10,000 in other losses.
My net revenue is $31,000, and this is generally what you pay taxes on, so my taxes would be close to $3000, depending on what I file it under and obviously other factors.

 

[Jiwi]

Obviously this is an admirable thing of you to do, so while I recently invested into a ~$1100 computer, I suppose I'll ask you some basic questions for sorc garden/botting.

GTX 560ti graphics card

I don't mind spending hours setting it up, but if you've had experience in sorc garden, and I have 0 accounts as of now, what would you suggest I do?

Sadly enough, I have 0 experience of runescape and such, and I would only be executing this for financial gains outside of the game. I have no interest in gaining money in game and buying stuff.

However, I was just wondering if you, by chance, know the general requirements and investment I need beforehand in order to properly execute a properly working botfarm. (I have $50 of extra cash right now haha)

Thanks! ^_^

Edit: even 10 bucks a day is totally fine with me :0

 

[Grave]

Obviously this is an admirable thing of you to do, so while I recently invested into a ~$1100 computer, I suppose I'll ask you some basic questions for sorc garden/botting.

GTX 560ti graphics card

I don't mind spending hours setting it up, but if you've had experience in sorc garden, and I have 0 accounts as of now, what would you suggest I do?

Sadly enough, I have 0 experience of runescape and such, and I would only be executing this for financial gains outside of the game. I have no interest in gaining money in game and buying stuff.

However, I was just wondering if you, by chance, know the general requirements and investment I need beforehand in order to properly execute a properly working botfarm. (I have $50 of extra cash right now haha)

Thanks! ^_^

Edit: even 10 bucks a day is totally fine with me :0

Well, first you would need to do the requirements for Sorc Garden. The best thing to do would be completing Prince Ali Rescue on 10~ accounts, and then getting membership on them. From there I would go ahead and run the Sorc bot you have and get the accounts up to 65 thieving so they can do summer garden. This also gives you the opportunity to test out the bot and get used to setting it up every day.

Oh, right, and don't forget, you'll need pestle and mortar in the process. You can get your bot to pick up beer glasses too.


With 10 accounts you should expect around:

$50 per month investment
15-30 Million RSGP per day
30 minutes of time commitment per day​

 

[runescapegoldsales]

so I make my gold on my own and have sold about 5000$ of it, I don't believe i have been taxed so am I Money laundering by any chance? i have sold the 5000$ through ppal but I sold another 1600$ through WU and am wondering what I should do about taxes, and i am 17 years old if that makes a difference

 

[Grave]

so I make my gold on my own and have sold about 5000$ of it, I don't believe i have been taxed so am I Money laundering by any chance? i have sold the 5000$ through ppal but I sold another 1600$ through WU and am wondering what I should do about taxes, and i am 17 years old if that makes a difference

Are you from the United States? And was any of this made in 2011? If so, you might be in a little bit of a trouble, if you ever get audited. Otherwise, just file it next year on your tax report. You can get Turbotax for about $40 I believe, and it will help you file everything.

Even if you are 17, you must still file taxes.

 

[Time To Buy]

If I have a runescape friend that wants to buy a purple partyhat, what's the best advice I can give him on who to buy from for a cheap price? See, I feel like I could probably get .55 for the purple, but he'd end up paying .6+, even .7+ if he has to do PA. Would you suggest I make a thread for him asking to buy the hat, but then have him pay? I am working on teaching him how to use Moneygram and Bank Wire.