Do not allow lure discussion/etc

[ChristmasCracker]

By this then killing someone pking is also against the rules?
Staking is against the rules?
I can honestly say when I get into a fight pking/staking I do not want to lose and lose whatever I am wearing/staked

... what? But when you're doing both of those things, you KNOW there is a chance you can lose them. Luring someone gives them no chance to KNOW they MAY lose their items.

A lure could be something simple as someone saying "follow me" and the person doing so.

...

it's part of the game, on sythe it is different as we deal with real life money

... you didn't bother to read the replies did you?

 

[Baller85]

http://www.runescape.com/c=19GLtksI3jI/rules/rule_password_scamming.ws

#5 on there.


How can you achieve a lure without lying?
Yes, it says trade. But after that part.



And baller, to put an end to your thing about the warning messages.
There are warning messages in a trade screen. At the top it says the trade cannot be reversed.
/point

You aren't making valid or coherent points anymore lol. You stated that people unknowingly go into the wilderness, against their will, which is why I started a "thing" about warning messages to explain that people indeed know when they are going into the wilderness. Any Runescape player that has accumulated an amount of wealth that can attract a lurer is aware of the dangers of the wilderness, and they knowingly/willingly take that risk out of their own greed. It can easily be prevented. And if someone simply ignores a warning message isn't it their own fault since they choose to take that risk?

 

[ChristmasCracker]

By this then killing someone pking is also against the rules?
Staking is against the rules?
I can honestly say when I get into a fight pking/staking I do not want to lose and lose whatever I am wearing/staked

Both of those, you know the risk of losing it.

A lure could be something simple as someone saying "follow me" and the person doing so.

...

it's part of the game, on sythe it is different as we deal with real life money

Read the rest of the thread.

What about luring 2010 prods from single to multi? That's also considered luring?

They know they are in the wild. They know they are pking.



*sorry if this is posted twice, said it was already posted, but didn't show up*

 

[Imagine]

Rushing though is sorta like luring?
I have no idea when the next dbower is going to attack me, and maybe I just want that range pot on the ground and I end up losing void or w/e I have on me ...

 

[ChristmasCracker]

You aren't making valid or coherent points anymore lol. You stated that people unknowingly go into the wilderness, against their will, which is why I started a "thing" about warning messages to explain that people indeed know when they are going into the wilderness. Any Runescape player that has accumulated an amount of wealth that can attract a lurer is aware of the dangers of the wilderness, and they knowingly/willingly take that risk out of their own greed. It can easily be prevented. And if someone simply ignores a warning message isn't it their own fault since they choose to take that risk?

Your point was about a warning message when entering the wilderness, or about to enter it.

I came back with a point about the trade warning messages.
Saying that the trade cannot be reversed.. what is the difference?

Tricking someone into clicking accept, even though they see the warning message. Saying you're going to give them something once they accept it.
Then tricking someone into going into the wild, even though they see the warning, or know of the warning.

Reason they went in wild: to get something in return from you.
Reason they accepted the trade: to get something in return from you
Both have warning systems/messages in place.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

Rushing though is sorta like luring?
I have no idea when the next dbower is going to attack me, and maybe I just want that range pot on the ground and I end up losing void or w/e I have on me ...

You're in the wild already.
And you're prepared to fight.

 

[x339]

Look, the mods dont have time to do everything they do, and then babysit the community to prevent them from talking of luring.

 

[Imagine]

You're in the wild already.
And you're prepared to fight.

I'm not always potted as I usually pk on a pure...
or sometimes I just want to go to kill some green drags on forinthry(if its spelled right) dungeon and on my way there I get attacked?

 

[ChristmasCracker]

Look, the mods dont have time to do everything they do, and then babysit the community to prevent them from talking of luring.

Babysit the community to prevent them from talking of luring?
Are you stupid?

They have to "babysit" this community for every other rule there is.

No auth trading, we know that. Yet people still post.
No recovering accounts, we know. Yet people still post.
The list can go on

 

[aus aaz]

You know I <3 you Aus.

But when you go in the wild to pk, you knowingly go in there to pk. And you know the risks when you try to pk.

When you're getting lured, it's not like you KNOW you're going to get lured.
You're tricked.

What about luring 2010 prods from single to multi? That's also considered luring?

 

[ChristmasCracker]

I'm not always potted as I usually pk on a pure...
or sometimes I just want to go to kill some green drags on forinthry(if its spelled right) dungeon and on my way there I get attacked?

You go there, you know it's in the wild.
You know the route to get to your destination is in/passes the wild.

 

[x339]

Babysit the community to prevent them from talking of luring?
Are you stupid?

They have to "babysit" this community for every other rule there is.

No auth trading, we know that. Yet people still post.
No recovering accounts, we know. Yet people still post.
The list can go on

Exactly so they shouldnt have to divert more attention to luring discussions, because honestly they cant do anything about it besides delete threads, and by diverting their attention with simple luring posts they wont be able to do as good as a job staying on top of things such as recovering accounts

 

[Baller85]

Your point was about a warning message when entering the wilderness, or about to enter it.

I came back with a point about the trade warning messages.
Saying that the trade cannot be reversed.. what is the difference?

Tricking someone into clicking accept, even though they see the warning message. Saying you're going to give them something once they accept it.
Then tricking someone into going into the wild, even though they see the warning, or know of the warning.

Reason they went in wild: to get something in return from you.
Reason they accepted the trade: to get something in return from you
Both have warning systems/messages in place.

I brought up the point that there are warning systems in place to explain to you that your point didn't make any sense. Players do know when they are entering the wild, it would not make any sense to say that they unknowingly enter it which is what you stated.

There's a major difference that you apparently aren't aware of between scamming someone in a trade and luring. When you lure someone you convince them to enter the wilderness, their own greed being used against them. In the wilderness you are allowed to kill people for their stuff, that's what it is meant for. It is a part of the game that can not be entered unless the individual makes the conscious decision to enter it. If a player willingly and knowingly enters the wilderness while knowing the dangers of the wilderness then why should I feel any sympathy for them? It is a gamble that they are willing to take.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

Exactly so they shouldnt have to divert more attention to luring discussions, because honestly they cant do anything about it besides delete threads, and by diverting their attention with simple luring posts they wont be able to do as good as a job staying on top of things such as recovering accounts

It will just show up as another "spam" report them the mods see it.
Report it as spam, and put "Not allowed"
And you'll get a reply "Done, thanks"

 

[ChristmasCracker]

I brought up the point that there are warning systems in place to explain to you that your point didn't make any sense. Players do know when they are entering the wild, it would not make any sense to say that they unknowingly enter it which is what you stated.

There's a major difference that you apparently aren't aware of between scamming someone in a trade and luring. When you lure someone you convince them to enter the wilderness, their own greed being used against them. In the wilderness you are allowed to kill people for their stuff, that's what it is meant for. It is a part of the game that can not be entered unless the individual makes the conscious decision to enter it. If a player willingly and knowingly enters the wilderness while knowing the dangers of the wilderness then why should I feel any sympathy for them? It is a gamble that they are willing to take.

I still don't think you understand my point.
When isn't greed used for ones own gain?

 

[Baller85]

I still don't think you understand my point.
When isn't greed used for ones own gain?

I still don't think you understand my point. The individual that gets lured is aware that the wilderness is a dangerous place where it is legal and allowed to kill someone for their own gain. Knowing this, they still enter the wilderness out of their own free will along with their valuable items/cash. My point is that they choose to ignore the dangers of a part of the game implemented by Jagex themselves, the wilderness, where it is perfectly acceptable to kill someone for their own benefit. They choose to ignore the dangers of this part of the game.. and that stems from their own greed.

I hope you now understand how luring and scamming are nowhere near the same thing and why Jagex themselves have chosen to not make luring bannable.

 

[x339]

I still don't think you understand my point. The individual that gets lured is aware that the wilderness is a dangerous place where it is legal and allowed to kill someone for their own gain. Knowing this, they still enter the wilderness out of their own free will along with their valuable items/cash. My point is that they choose to ignore the dangers of a part of the game implemented by Jagex themselves, the wilderness, where it is perfectly acceptable to kill someone for their own benefit. They choose to ignore the dangers of this part of the game.. and that stems from their own greed.

I hope you now understand how luring and scamming are nowhere near the same thing.

Exactly what i was saying.

 

[Time To Buy]

I agree completely. I view luring as stealing, just like you do. We even have a sticky to find a luring partner. The sticky should definitely be removed, as well as all the guides for luring.

 

[Imagine]

You go there, you know it's in the wild.
You know the route to get to your destination is in/passes the wild.

I completely agree with you, but I feel this isn't as one sided as you guys think it is.

 

[aus aaz]

What about luring guards to kill people botting for their range guild tickets ? Is this considered luring .. When does it end

I think you gathered from my previous post that I don't support the banning of luring on Sythe.