Do not allow lure discussion/etc

[x339]

You asked for the 100m, so they know they are giving the 100mil.
That statement makes no sense to this.

It does though, they know they are going into the wild, a warning sign pops up.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

This is a grey area... On one hand I agree with you, but this a huge part of RS gameplay, something I definitely think we should be allowed to discuss.

Im going to have to disagree with this one. It's the same as any other RS related trick. What the difference between this and glitching/scamming/using any scheme to gain an advantage over a player.

Thanks

Glitching is taking advantage of the improper, or screwed up, coding in the game, not players..
It's not at all even close to being the player fault if they lose something due to a glitch.

 

[Baller85]

The thing is, they are not willingly going in the wild with their big cash piles.
You trick them into entering the wild (Them not knowing it's the wild)
You trick them into entering it(unknown it's the wild)

Actually yes, they are willingly going into the wild with their big cash piles. You get a warning screen every time before entering the wild and you have an option to cross or not to cross. It's the individuals decision, so yes they are willingly going into the wild and they know it's the wild. Their own greed is being used against them. They are aware of the risks involved when agreeing to cross into the wilderness and if they were smart they would first bank their stuff and then return. It doesn't matter how they get there because they agree to cross while being aware of what can happen in the wilderness. They decide to take that gamble in order to benefit financially and they end up losing most of the time.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

It does though, they know they are going into the wild, a warning sign pops up.

Actually yes, they are willingly going into the wild with their big cash piles. You get a warning screen every time before entering the wild and you have an option to cross or not to cross. It's the individuals decision, so yes they are willingly going into the wild and they know it's the wild. Their own greed is being used against them. They are aware of the risks involved when agreeing to cross into the wilderness and if they were smart they would first bank their stuff and then return. It doesn't matter how they get into the wild because they agree to cross while being aware of what can happen in the wilderness. They decide to take that gamble in order to benefit financially and they end up losing most of the time.

I believe there is an option to disable it from popping up everytime to enter the wild.

So when you disable it, it will never pop up again letting you know you're entering the wild

/point

 

[x339]

So when you disable it, it just becomes more and more your fault that you go tricked. If there was a message that popped up and said " your going to get scammed, turn back? Yes or No?" and you disable that, your just leading yourself into it.

 

[Baller85]

I believe there is an option to disable it from popping up everytime to enter the wild.

So when you disable it, it will never pop up again letting you know you're entering the wild

/point

If you have already chosen the option to disable the warning then you are already aware of the boundaries of the wilderness. Also, when you made that decision you were also aware of the risks involved. When you cross the ditch by yourself you know you are going into the wilderness.. and when you enter the wilderness in any other way you always get a message.. those you cannot disable.

 

[lil zero]

We are not allowed to scam here on sythe, nor scam on other sites - as we can get banned on sythe for scamming elsewhere.

While i don't give a shit about people scamming in-game, or luring i think that if one is not allowed, the other should not be either as it is basiclly the same thing.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

So when you disable it, it just becomes more and more your fault that you go tricked. If there was a message that popped up and said " your going to get scammed, turn back? Yes or No?" and you disable that, your just leading yourself into it.

If you have already chosen the option to disable the warning then you are already aware of the boundaries of the wilderness. Also, when you made that decision you were also aware of the risks involved. When you cross the ditch by yourself you know you are going into the wilderness.. and when you enter the wilderness in any other way you always get a message.. those you cannot disable.

Not all lures are ditch lures.

 

[x339]

A person should not be punished for participating in a feature (wildy, pvp) that was implemented for the sole purpose of killing other players. When a person goes into the wildy its part of the game to get killed there. Scamming is different because scamming isnt naturally part of the game, scamming created by the players, luring is similair to scamming as its created by players but it uses the wildy which was made to kill other players and take their items.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

A person should not be punished for participating in a feature (wildy, pvp) that was implemented for the sole purpose of killing other players. When a person goes into the wildy its part of the game to get killed there. Scamming is different because scamming isnt naturally part of the game, scamming created by the players, luring is similair to scamming as its created by players but it uses the wildy which was made to kill other players and take their items.

Natural part of the game is free trade.
Scamming was born because of the ability to freely give away items
Luring was born because people thought they could trick people into going into the wild with their bank and killing them.


Edit; I still see no difference in scamming and luring.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

Until it is made against RS rules, I reckon is should stay. This is a cheating site remember.

 

[Flight]

It's a part of the game that Jagex allows.

So why not let it happen? That's like saying we shouldn't be allowed to talk about botting since Jagex doesn't allow it.

If you're stupid enough to go to the wild and you know it's there and you have no tabs/food then you should be allowed to lose your items.

It teaches you in life, if something is too god to be true, then it probably is.

 

[Baller85]

Not all lures are ditch lures.

You clearly did not read my last sentence. When you enter the wilderness in any other way besides the ditch you get a message as well. Those you have to disable separately or can not be disabled at all.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

http://www.runescape.com/c=19GLtksI3jI/rules/rule_password_scamming.ws

#5 on there.

5. What does 'item scam' mean?

To 'item scam' means to cheat another player during a trade. Lying to other players for your own personal gain is not in the spirit of our games and will not be tolerated.

How can you achieve a lure without lying?
Yes, it says trade. But after that part.



And baller, to put an end to your thing about the warning messages.
There are warning messages in a trade screen. At the top it says the trade cannot be reversed.
/point

 

[aus aaz]

No one is entitled to another person's hard work, if it's obtained without the consent of the "giver"
Luring gives no consent.
Scamming gives no consent.
Recovering gives no consent.
Hacking gives no consent.

They are usually lured by their own greed in the first place which makes me feel even less remorse, scamming and hacking are wrong and shouldn't be looked at in the same respects to luring.

When you die PKing where is the "consent" to lose your items, when you are lured you are killed in the wilderness, simply do not enter the wilderness with items your not willing to lose and you will retain your items. But follow an idiot promising a drop party near the wild an step in an get bang out for your cash pile.. Tough luck.

 

[ChristmasCracker]

They are usually lured by their own greed in the first place which makes me feel even less remorse, scamming and hacking are wrong and shouldn't be looked at in the same respects to luring.

When you die PKing where is the "consent" to lose your items, when you are lured you are killed in the wilderness, simply do not enter the wilderness with items your not willing to lose and you will retain your items. But follow an idiot promising a drop party near the wild an step in an get bang out for your cash pile.. Tough luck.

You know I <3 you Aus.

But when you go in the wild to pk, you knowingly go in there to pk. And you know the risks when you try to pk.

When you're getting lured, it's not like you KNOW you're going to get lured.
You're tricked.

 

[Imagine]

By this then killing someone pking is also against the rules?
Staking is against the rules?
I can honestly say when I get into a fight pking/staking I do not want to lose and lose whatever I am wearing/staked

 

[x339]

http://www.runescape.com/c=19GLtksI3jI/rules/rule_password_scamming.ws
How can you achieve a lure without lying?

A lure could be something simple as someone saying "follow me" and the person doing so.

 

[rune-sell3r]

it's part of the game, on sythe it is different as we deal with real life money

 

[aus aaz]

You know I <3 you Aus.

But when you go in the wild to pk, you knowingly go in there to pk. And you know the risks when you try to pk.

When you're getting lured, it's not like you KNOW you're going to get lured.
You're tricked.

What about luring 2010 prods from single to multi? That's also considered luring?