Banned Accounts MiniRanks Discussion/Suggestions

Ok yeah, I understand that. It's pretty much common sense right?

However, there are many donors that do not scam. These donors sufficiently provide the costs of upkeep on the site.

If a user makes a donation with the intent to use it to scam, or later decided that he would wish to do so, I don't see any reason why the donation should not cover the amount scammed for the victim.

Yeah, there are precautions everywhere on how to avoid scams. Let's look at reality though...

When a donor sees that a newcomer or non-donor wants to trade with them, they'll always ask to go first. It's almost customary that they go first. And then you look at their feedback, and many have vouched for them stating they went first and the donor was legit.

So you go first and BAM he scams.

Now I know Sythe isn't responsible in any way for the trades on this forum, but if the management truly cared about its users, they might look into taking care of the victims as well. If it wasn't a full refund out of the donation, it could at least be a percentage.

 

What you're saying is correct and very understandable however, why should all donors suffer for what one has done, wouldnt be fair on anyone in that sense.

The donation - once donated goes directly into either upkeep or for new features for all site members and guests alike to browse/use.


" When a donor sees that a newcomer or non-donor wants to trade with them, they'll always ask to go first. It's almost customary that they go first. And then you look at their feedback, and many have vouched for them stating they went first and the donor was legit.

So you go first and BAM he scams. " This is why there are OFFICIAL MIDDLE MEN and MIDDLE MEN, for the buyer/seller to use if they see fit, this should negate most scammers from trying but theres always that certain group.

 

I don't see how other donors would suffer.

I knew you would bring up middlemen, which is a great scam prevention tool, but it doesn't adhere to the fact that donors are still scamming and their donation stays with Sythe rather than the victim.

 

You seem to be missing my point every time, people donate to a website they cherish and use daily, i don't see a problem with that, do you?

In the case that they DO infact scam someone by that time the donation is already long gone, sadly - into either new projects/opening up new forum sections and running them/give aways/support threads etc.

 

I don't really see any valid argument from you so I'll just leave it alone.

In the end Sythe profits from a donor scamming, and the victim gets nothing.

100%, 75%, 50%, 25%, even 10% of the scammers donation could be rerouted to the victim.

But nothing. I don't even see how this forum has gotten this far without anyone making this suggestion. It resembles corporate greed.

 

My argument is true tho, it just conflicts with yours, i agree with both, just dont see your side of the argument winning..before they phased out SVU it was possible to get full repayments. but that system was flawed so it was removed.

 

Banned accounts may not always be banned, miracles happen(clearly) here on sythe sometimes and we cant be stealing peoples miniranks.

Giant NO SUPPORT from me, sorry man.

I view taking miniranks from anyone but users that have scam victims as scamming, and I'm not the biggest fan of taking them from those users either.

Just my 2 cents.

 

I view taking miniranks from anyone but users that have scam victims as scamming, and I'm not the biggest fan of taking them from those users either."

Thats the only people i intended them to come from, was just a small idea i thought about last night.

was hoping everyone would give input and could actually see something done about the current once there banned there lost for good system

That's bad for the "economy" and pretty pointless just throwing them away when there is clearly plenty of ways to put them to good cause E.G sell them and give the earnings to Jons fund (not using this as a backbone for my defense) just stating that this is the best one. @Bus369

 

I've not read yours and costs debate above.


This is what happens in swapping clans, when someone buys in.. and decides to scam later, if theres proof the owner has the scammers cost of rank max swap per trade to repay victim. Difference here is donations are towards the site. The site have put many warnings in place, and owe no liability to refund victims themselves. That's not how it works. Donations are donations, they're not some type of payment for trust. The SVU rank before had the system that you could have access to personal contact info of someone who scammed you. The site does all it can to repay victims in anyway shape or form. Taking away from the sites donations is not something they should be held liable for.

Again the idea of selling miniranks should only come about if the DNT scammer (person who re-owes) decides it is acceptable to also do so towards paying their victim. But also as means to use in a programme to institute some type of repayment schedule.

@Chloe also suggested down in Spam Forum that selling DNTs fun ranks would be a better way to garner victim refunds.

@Chris @Karl @I Bleed Duke Blue @djweasel

A few of the people I know owe people/scam victims.(i think, excuse me if wrongly tagged) What are your inputs? (If you have/had/ miniranks funranks)

 

DNT is considered part of a pardon process, I have been told I will get my Fun Rank (Zombie) visible again once I complete the pardon process, I haven't lost it. - so I'm fairly sure Sythe has decided against auctioning them off. the only thing i would agree with if miniranks that have already a monetary value are auctioned off, and the money goes to the person they need to pay back.

(however, if i can sell zombie rank to someone for a cash value and sythe is okay with that, i'd be happy for that to go to arcus)

 

Although donations are not intended to be a display of trust they are, from what I can see.

Go through the market section and see how many people have [$___ donor] on their tag, implying that they should be trusted.

 

I understand that, but it's not unfortunately. People use it to an extent that it is, but that doesn't mean Sythe and site are now liable to refund victims on behalf of the scammers. I don't agree with that anyways.

 

As long as the pardon section is still on Sythe, we'll never auction off ranks, miniranks, fun ranks or donor ranks.
We've given miniranks to scam victims in the past on their request and I'm sure we'll continue doing this in rare occasions. This is however not an auction nor are we looking to create extra work for staff auctioning off miniranks.

Suggestion denied