To all atheists

[Dammed]

Ignorance? Please, you know nothing of afterlife, please show me proof? Oh wait, all you have is a bible.

Ignorance - can't comprehend / understand

You TRY to believe in things (to make yourself feel better), we understand it's Earth, we're humanity, do what you want, believe what you want, I love how religious people are EXTREMELY RUDE.

 

[ioioio175]

Let's not be hypocrites here, I have half retarded christian, jahova, etc. members at my door constantly, telling me to believe and I will go to hell if i do not do so. I personally have not told anyone to be atheist, If they are wrong it's their fault not mine, I keep to myself.

 

[Sanctuary]

Ignorance? Please, you know nothing of afterlife, please show me proof? Oh wait, all you have is a bible.

Ignorance - can't comprehend / understand

You TRY to believe in things (to make yourself feel better), we understand it's Earth, we're humanity, do what you want, believe what you want, I love how religious people are EXTREMELY RUDE.

Who was that directed at?

Let's not be hypocrites here, I have half retarded christian, jahova, etc. members at my door constantly, telling me to believe and I will go to hell if i do not do so. I personally have not told anyone to be atheist, If they are wrong it's their fault not mine, I keep to myself.

What the hell kind of freaky Christians are all you people meeting? Honestly, holy crap.

 

You're obsessed with arguing, no matter what the topic. Sythe, no matter what you say I still love you man. I owe you nothing, you owe me nothing, I still love you. Maybe the word "love" doesn't fully describe it, and I apologize for that. But by my definition of it, I love you. You simply cannot argue this with me.

You still haven't answered my question. Have you ever seen a miracle?

Not an argument. And you're pathetic. You haven't even the courage to take the baby steps of analyzing the beliefs you have been handed.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

I believe in freedom of belief, meaning I don't run up to every Atheist I see and call him an idiot for believing in no God, so I expect them not to come up to me and say "You idiot why do you believe in God"

Also, I would like to worship however I please. I do not like when people say Religion is bad, because like anything else the leaders do not neccessarily reflect the views of the followers. For example, if you were an American, would you like all people to believe Americans are exactly like George Bush? Would you like to be labeled by someone because of only one person? Should one person be able to sum up a whole group? No, so please do not bash religion.

That's fine and dandy. But look at the forum section you posted in. Belief holds nothing here, its just belief. We will constantly tell those who come in here posting their beliefs; since this isn't a section to express beliefs but express opinions on topic intelligently through logic and reasoning. Technically we can prove wrong somethings in most religions; the reason most religious people here get offended is when they are cornered by the facts and actual evidence against their belief .

As for your second part, if you fully read previous post you would see how religion is proved to be bad or beneficial to society, you're simply upset because it was said against your beliefs. Don't bash on religion? Well sir, if you look at the facts not your simple (some absent minded) beliefs you'd see its just facts; we're not "bashing" on religions.

As for your stand on how some reflect the entire group of religions, country, etc....You do know thats basically how the world is, they judge one for all most of the time. So its inevitable to be judge wrong; telling someone not to judge you as they did to others because it doesn't reflect your views...well unfortunately a majority of a group acting in a certain way makes it seems like most are the same. So don't be upset at those who post what groups act like what. If you're offended then simply leave this section. If you see what I mean and can prove anything discussed throughout this thread wrong or right with logic and reasoning; well then do so.

Its funny when religious people (not necessarily just you) come in here upset and don't have anything to back them up. Remember people your belief isn't a fact.

 

[Sanctuary]

Not an argument. And you're pathetic.

How is that not an argument? If you saw something that went against everything you believed in, and caused you to completely change your lifestyle and beliefs, wouldn't you bring it up?

And I still love you, thanks.

 

How is that not an argument? If you saw something that went against everything you believed in, and caused you to completely change your lifestyle and beliefs, wouldn't you bring it up?

It's not an argument as it contains no substantive reasoning. "I done saw a miracle, praise Jesus" is what a moron might say.

Given your level of ignorance in the field of natural philosophy I dare say dozens of natural phenomena you would label a miracle. Ignorance is not a substitute for knowledge.

 

[Sanctuary]

It's not an argument as it contains no substantive reasoning. "I done saw a miracle, praise Jesus" is what a moron might say.

Given your level of ignorance in the field of natural philosophy I dare say dozens of natural phenomena you would label a miracle. Ignorance is not a substitute for knowledge.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize when a person with lung cancer was prayed for the cancerous lump in his throat magically vanished is thanks to my ignorance. Or that time someone's fuckin' leg (was over an inch shorter than the other) was prayed for and it GREW IN MY HAND, that those are simply because of my ignorance.

I apologize.

 

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize when a person with lung cancer was prayed for the cancerous lump in his throat magically vanished is thanks to my ignorance. Or that time someone's fuckin' leg (was over an inch shorter than the other) was prayed for and it GREW IN MY HAND, that those are simply because of my ignorance.

I apologize.

Oh yeah? So write a god damn scientific paper if you think its so real.

Let's apply occam's razor. Which explanation is more likely: that the lump went away because the magical sky daddy kissed it better, or because the human immune system is extremely powerful and given time will often cure itself?

Let's do it again. Which explanation is more likely: that the skeletal structure morphed through the magic addition of molecules into the bones violating both the law of conservation of matter and the law of conservation of energy, or that the absence of weight force on joints causes them to expand naturally? In fact if you measure yourself when you wake up and then five minutes later you will see a noticeable difference in height.

In fact, here is a million dollar prize with your name on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi_Educational_Foundation

Let's see your evidence put to the test. Otherwise you can stop spouting prejudice like a god damn hick and figure out that it's all just god damn nonsense and you should grow up.

 

Further, it's pretty obvious that all you have to show for your beliefs is some self produced anecdotes, which do not constitute evidence or reasoned argument. And as such I think you should stay out of the SFA until you can find something of value to contribute.

 

[Sanctuary]

Further, it's pretty obvious that all you have to show for your beliefs is some self produced anecdotes, which do not constitute evidence or reasoned argument. And as such I think you should stay out of the SFA until you can find something of value to contribute.

A leg doesn't naturally grow over an inch by itself at one given moment. I guess it was just coincidence 4 people happened to be praying at the exact time this happened.

Seeing as no matter what I say you're just going to pass it of ass incompetent bullshit it's not worth my time.

Keep denying everything.

 

A leg doesn't naturally grow over an inch by itself at one given moment. I guess it was just coincidence 4 people happened to be praying at the exact time this happened.

Completely.

As I said before, scientific method. Go, write a paper on it. Publish the results.

Seeing as no matter what I say you're just going to pass it of ass incompetent bullshit it's not worth my time.

Keep denying everything.

It is bullshit. Anecdotes prove nothing. Go claim the Randi prize then we'll talk. Until then, forum ban for you.

 

[Xeox]

That's fine and dandy. But look at the forum section you posted in. Belief holds nothing here, its just belief. We will constantly tell those who come in here posting their beliefs; since this isn't a section to express beliefs but express opinions on topic intelligently through logic and reasoning. Technically we can prove wrong somethings in most religions; the reason most religious people here get offended is when they are cornered by the facts and actual evidence against their belief .

As for your second part, if you fully read previous post you would see how religion is proved to be bad or beneficial to society, you're simply upset because it was said against your beliefs. Don't bash on religion? Well sir, if you look at the facts not your simple (some absent minded) beliefs you'd see its just facts; we're not "bashing" on religions.

As for your stand on how some reflect the entire group of religions, country, etc....You do know thats basically how the world is, they judge one for all most of the time. So its inevitable to be judge wrong; telling someone not to judge you as they did to others because it doesn't reflect your views...well unfortunately a majority of a group acting in a certain way makes it seems like most are the same. So don't be upset at those who post what groups act like what. If you're offended then simply leave this section. If you see what I mean and can prove anything discussed throughout this thread wrong or right with logic and reasoning; well then do so.

Its funny when religious people (not necessarily just you) come in here upset and don't have anything to back them up. Remember people your belief isn't a fact.

This is a discussion on religion, or in some cases lack there of...so DUH I WILL TALK ABOUT BELIEFS! They are what drive every one of us to make decisions in our every day lives. You believed it was so importaint to comments about this "Something for everybody" forum....I mean come on do you see your own ignorance? Also, most of your sentences make no sense, but I will still try to respond to them.

We will constantly tell those who come in here posting their beliefs; since this isn't a section to express beliefs but express opinions on topic intelligently through logic and reasoning.

"We" meaning you? You know what, don't answer that because there are always trolls out there... On your statement about expressing opinions on topics intelligently through logic and reasoning, I am saying what I believe is right. You believe that I should not post my beliefs in this forum, and took the time to post about that, yet you contradict yourself as you type. Everyone has a belief; a belief is an idea that you have built concepts around to make statements or arguments. You use your "intelligence", logic, and reasoning to formulate your beliefs. It is actually funny because when you reason things out, you use past experiences or roll models to justify your points, yet you are so blind you do not recognize that what you are doing is drawing from beliefs, either from yourself or from others! There is a difference between faith and belief my friend...I have faith in my religion; I believe people should be able to think the way they want and not be influenced by others. What you suggest is a removal of a freedom of speech if you want people to comment on topics without beliefs.

Its funny when religious people (not necessarily just you) come in here upset and don't have anything to back them up. Remember people your belief isn't a fact.

I said nothing about my religion or trying to prove my religion correct, I simply stated that I want to formulate my own beliefs without people controlling my thoughts and opinions. I have not backed myself into a corner, because I was never arguing for anything. I want you to learn after reading this that BELIEF AND FAITH ARE DIFFERENT.

You do know thats basically how the world is, they judge one for all most of the time. So its inevitable to be judge wrong; telling someone not to judge you as they did to others because it doesn't reflect your views...well unfortunately a majority of a group acting in a certain way makes it seems like most are the same.

Why can't the world begin to change? If you continue to follow the norm, i.e. generalize a certain group by a stereotypical viewpoint, you are actually worsening society. What you are doing is the same thing people do with Muslims. People believe that just because terrorists make the most "noise" in society (blow up bombs, make the news, cause havoc) they reflect all of Muslims in the entire world, when in fact terrorists are only a small portion of one of the most popular religions in the entire world. You are actually contributing to the idea of stereotyping, the same as with Islam, because of your willingness to accept the norm. I am sorry, but most Muslims are actually really nice people trying to make a name for themselves and their religion in today's world.

This is a debate, not a rant or a vent for my anger. You obviously misunderstood my motive for posting, and now I am actually annoyed with your amazing close-mindedness about not only religion but about the world.

 

[raziaex]

Nope, I love him. I love you too.

A miracle is what people assume it to be. Something you can't explain with logic or science. And no, it's not out of the question. Obviously you've never experienced something of that nature.

YOU can claim something I say is bullshit, but if I've SEEN it with my own two eyes, I know it to be true.

You're deluded. Done.

 

[raziaex]

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize when a person with lung cancer was prayed for the cancerous lump in his throat magically vanished is thanks to my ignorance. Or that time someone's fuckin' leg (was over an inch shorter than the other) was prayed for and it GREW IN MY HAND, that those are simply because of my ignorance.

I apologize.

Holy FUCK this is the most retarded response I've seen yet > <
Either one of two things mate:
1. You're fucking deluded/mentally retarded/dillusional/etc etc
2. You're making up shit and posting it here as 'evidence'; which, to my understanding, cannot be accounted for.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

This is a discussion on religion, or in some cases lack there of...so DUH I WILL TALK ABOUT BELIEFS! They are what drive every one of us to make decisions in our every day lives. You believed it was so importaint to comments about this "Something for everybody" forum....I mean come on do you see your own ignorance? Also, most of your sentences make no sense, but I will still try to respond to them.



"We" meaning you? You know what, don't answer that because there are always trolls out there... On your statement about expressing opinions on topics intelligently through logic and reasoning, I am saying what I believe is right. You believe that I should not post my beliefs in this forum, and took the time to post about that, yet you contradict yourself as you type. Everyone has a belief; a belief is an idea that you have built concepts around to make statements or arguments. You use your "intelligence", logic, and reasoning to formulate your beliefs. It is actually funny because when you reason things out, you use past experiences or roll models to justify your points, yet you are so blind you do not recognize that what you are doing is drawing from beliefs, either from yourself or from others! There is a difference between faith and belief my friend...I have faith in my religion; I believe people should be able to think the way they want and not be influenced by others. What you suggest is a removal of a freedom of speech if you want people to comment on topics without beliefs.



I said nothing about my religion or trying to prove my religion correct, I simply stated that I want to formulate my own beliefs without people controlling my thoughts and opinions. I have not backed myself into a corner, because I was never arguing for anything. I want you to learn after reading this that BELIEF AND FAITH ARE DIFFERENT.



Why can't the world begin to change? If you continue to follow the norm, i.e. generalize a certain group by a stereotypical viewpoint, you are actually worsening society. What you are doing is the same thing people do with Muslims. People believe that just because terrorists make the most "noise" in society (blow up bombs, make the news, cause havoc) they reflect all of Muslims in the entire world, when in fact terrorists are only a small portion of one of the most popular religions in the entire world. You are actually contributing to the idea of stereotyping, the same as with Islam, because of your willingness to accept the norm. I am sorry, but most Muslims are actually really nice people trying to make a name for themselves and their religion in today's world.

This is a debate, not a rant or a vent for my anger. You obviously misunderstood my motive for posting, and now I am actually annoyed with your amazing close-mindedness about not only religion but about the world.

I lol'd

I'm not sure if you misunderstood me, but most of your replies doesn't fit my text.

Of course there's a difference between belief and faith. I'm simply stating that you hold no solid argument and are expressing personal beliefs that can and has been proven wrong in other threads. Its been posted before; your belief doesn't drive your everyday lives without logic and reasoning. If its logic and reasoning its flawed greatly, your belief is but only your belief; you can't make an argument since there's no need to; as it's been proven wrong, so why keep arguing the same argument and wasting time.

You twist words to you liking, never said you in particular. I don't suggest removal of freedom of speech whatsoever, I simply encourage that logic and reasoning be our guide to live our daily lives (motives, morality, etc) not something that has been proven corrupt and flawed, especially by example of the hypocrites themselves.

Oh and I'm annoyed by you're ignorance to see.

 

[Xeox]

So it there is no solid argument when stating I believe people should be free to believe what they want without someone trying to suppress them? Because that was my main point, and you are someone who does what I believe is wrong.

 

[gtdarkpunisher]

So it there is no solid argument when stating I believe people should be free to believe what they want without someone trying to suppress them? Because that was my main point, and you are someone who does what I believe is wrong.

Nope. The argument began on this post.

"I believe in freedom of belief, meaning I don't run up to every Atheist I see and call him an idiot for believing in no God, so I expect them not to come up to me and say "You idiot why do you believe in God"

Also, I would like to worship however I please. I do not like when people say Religion is bad, because like anything else the leaders do not neccessarily reflect the views of the followers. For example, if you were an American, would you like all people to believe Americans are exactly like George Bush? Would you like to be labeled by someone because of only one person? Should one person be able to sum up a whole group? No, so please do not bash religion.
__________________"

You automatically assumed that religion was seen bad simply because of a few. Which isn't true, but that's all you said and stood by. The belief part came up on your doing of twisting words, you changed it into that. Your argument wasn't really freedom to believe what you want in the beginning, it was really more of an upset statement telling us to stop "bashing" on religion; when (like I said before) its just the facts.

Its not trying to suppress by proving religions for what they are, its called moving forward rather than believing in something that has absolutely no strong support or any evidence to hold religion true. So again, like I said before, don't be coming in here expecting to be left alone when your share your flawed beliefs. You won't be told anything if it's not in the SFA section.

PS As for the part in one of your previous post saying something about me being blind as I am supposedly using my belief blah blah bla. W/o logic and reasoning our beliefs can be as insane or horrid possible. You my friend are the blind one. You're the close-minded one.

 

[Xeox]

Signatures saying "religion is ignorance" are seen by me as close minded. You are the equivalent of a missionary who tries to convert people into thinking one way. Sorry, but I have different views than you. Just because you think religion is ignorance does not mean you have to make me think the same.

PS As for the part in one of your previous post saying something about me being blind as I am supposedly using my belief blah blah bla. W/o logic and reasoning our beliefs can be as insane or horrid possible. You my friend are the blind one. You're the close-minded one.

How am I close minded when I am not arguing for any one side, how is arguing for a freedom of thought close minded? Please tell me how you can justify that.

Remember I have not said Atheism should be abolished, nor have I said anything bad about Atheism, I am only commenting on you as an individual who happens to want everyone to trash their foundations and "move forward."

Also do not forget the original question (post):

Is it really necessary to try and convince everyone else of atheism? If people believe in religion, then they believe (in most cases) that there is something better after death. Why ruin (in your opinion) their ignorance, and in turn, bliss and make life much more depressing for them? It is comforting to people to believe that this life isn't it, why try to take that away from them?

If your an atheist who minds your own business and doesn't argue against religion, you have earned my respect.

Also, what do you have to lose in believing in a higher power (example: God)? This is supposed to be a serious question, and answers like "because religion is stupid" or "science proves otherwise" are not welcome.

 

Signatures saying "religion is ignorance" are seen by me as close minded.

Religion is based on a lack of evidence and reasoning; a 'faith' that X exists. It is closer to prejudice but ignorance is correct too.

Saying "religion is ignorance" is epistemologically correct.