Just as "racist" as anything else.

[iDesignLogos]

We hear all over about discrimination towards races but what gets little attention is that the majority of the blame is still pointed at "whites" as if we are and were ever the only group of people do discriminate. For example, this is something I found while researching for my Indian mascot paper.

In the course of my work and personal reflection, I have discovered there are many ways of being white. Some Whites are bound by fundamentalist White orientation. They view the world through a single lens that is always right and always white. White supremacist hate groups represent one particularly hostile form of fundamentalist White orientation, but there is also an uninformed and well-intentioned version that simply has never been exposed to other perspectives. This was my orientation from birth through my high school years, when I had never met a person who wasn't white. Fundamentalist White teachers often say, "I don't see color. I treat all my students the same."

Other Whites live from an integrationist White orientation, where differences are acknowledged and tolerated but still not fully accepted. Integrationist Whites are self-congratulatory in their apparent openness to racial differences, yet often paternalistic and condescending of people of color. In this way of being White, we prefer to keep the peace, avoid confrontation and maintain control, rather that actually get to the core of our separate truths and unique racial perspectives. Integrationist White teachers say to students of color,"I know how you feel," even when we have no real connection to their reality. This was my first orientation when I first began "helping" Black kids in the ghetto in the 1960s. I thought I was the answer, rather than the question.

Finally, there is the transformationist White identity, which is a place of humility and active engagement in one's own continuing growth and reformation. Transformationist Whites have acquired a paradoxical identity, which allows us to acknowledge our inevitable privilege and racism while at the same time actively working to dismantle our legacy of dominance. Transformationist White teachers know it is our place and our responsibility to engage issues of race and multicultural education in the classroom.

Found here

Is this not just as racist as anything else? Those 3 categories classify every white? What have we come to?

My school is completely diverse and I don't once classify someone by their skin color.

 

[FreedomFight]

We hear all over about discrimination towards races but what gets little attention is that the majority of the blame is still pointed at "whites" as if we are and were ever the only group of people do discriminate. For example, this is something I found while researching for my Indian mascot paper.



Found here

Is this not just as racist as anything else? Those 3 categories classify every white? What have we come to?

My school is completely diverse and I don't once classify someone by their skin color.

Well sure. Any paper about race is going to have some inclination to discussing "race". Tell me what's surprising?

You are complaining about these three categories, so what do you think is missing? I find them to be pretty well encompassing. Judging from your posts, you'd probably find yourself in the third category. Are you really so blind that you don't see any personal advantages of being white?

 

[Skillers FTW]

You will never be rid of the racists in the world.

I think they are all selfish, horrible human beings who are scared of accepting someone else who looks different into society.

They need a damn good slap in the face and a wake up call.

 

[iDesignLogos]

Well sure. Any paper about race is going to have some inclination to discussing "race". Tell me what's surprising?

You are complaining about these three categories, so what do you think is missing? I find them to be pretty well encompassing. Judging from your posts, you'd probably find yourself in the third category. Are you really so blind that you don't see any personal advantages of being white?

What's surprising? All the categories of white people they listed, include being somewhat racist. This means every white person is automatically racist.

I wouldn't consider myself to be in any of these categories. "acknowledge our inevitable privilege and racism." Those who think white's inevitably have a privilege are the ones who are racist.

Racist:a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

 

[Sup3r 4ut03r]

Our race is human.

Color of the skin is but a chemical. People need to realize that.

 

[CallMeStargazer]

My prerogative if someone asks you something to do with the color of peoples skin simply state your colorblind. If they try to be a smartass and ask about race simply state you are apart of the human race.

 

[iDesignLogos]

^ I agree with both for the most part.

 

[FreedomFight]

This means every white person is automatically racist.

Straw man.

I wouldn't consider myself to be in any of these categories. "acknowledge our inevitable privilege and racism." Those who think white's inevitably have a privilege are the ones who are racist.

No, they just aren't colorblind. You probably don't see these privileges because you take them for granted.

I seriously encourage you to read:
http://www.case.edu/president/aaction/UnpackingTheKnapsack.pdf

 

[iDesignLogos]

No, they just aren't colorblind. You probably don't see these privileges because you take them for granted.

I seriously encourage you to read:
http://www.case.edu/president/aaction/UnpackingTheKnapsack.pdf

I don't want to read a guilt driven paper on how whites have all these benefits. Give me some examples. Real ones. There aren't any. I would switch to any other race in a heart beat.

 

[FreedomFight]

I don't want to read a guilt driven paper on how whites have all these benefits. Give me some examples. Real ones. There aren't any. I would switch to any other race in a heart beat.

How can you make any assertions about a paper, without having read it? This is just a clear sign of incompetence. If you want examples, read it. I'm not going to repeat the words of someone who can express things much better than I can myself. You hold absolutely no grounds for criticism if you haven't examined what you are critiquing.

Now you're just denying that there is a difference, and mischaracterizing the notion of a much more educated stance. Seems eerily like: "I don't see color. I treat all my students the same."

 

[MosDef]

lol

is this kid seriously saying that white people don't have certain advantages over blacks?

;D

let's be serious here, bro

 

[iDesignLogos]

lol

is this kid seriously saying that white people don't have certain advantages over blacks?

;D

let's be serious here, bro

Yall lack in proof. There are no advantages. People that look at this and just say "ha! advantages they have advantages white people have advantages you're dumb you dont know what you're talking about"

+1 post count? I don't want to hear the same thing over and over again. Give me some proof.

And dude I skimmed through a few sections and it just talks about how he doesn't have to talk to black people yadda yadda but that's him, that's his own views. I want you to show me where I have an advantage. Every other race has COUNTLESS scholarship programs, and schools have quotas they have to meet even if it comes down to letting someone that is obviously not going to make it through the four years, just because they have to.

 

[MosDef]

first off

after 200+ years of whites raping the north american lands and forcing off the native inhabitants and practically eradicating the whole native american raceas well as 200+ years of slavery and systematic conditioning/separation of races and classes

I have no idea how you can say that whites have no advantages over blacks in these days

it's just math homie

countless generations of slavery and restriction of blacks from succeeding just doesn't go away in a blink of an eye

read this and learn about yourself, kid

this is a white man talking about people exactly like you

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

 

[iDesignLogos]

first off

after 200+ years of whites raping the north american lands and forcing off the native inhabitants and practically eradicating the whole native american raceas well as 200+ years of slavery and systematic conditioning/separation of races and classes

I have no idea how you can say that whites have no advantages over blacks in these days

it's just math homie

countless generations of slavery and restriction of blacks from succeeding just doesn't go away in a blink of an eye

read this and learn about yourself, kid

this is a white man talking about people exactly like you

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

I don't care about histry. Yes, you're correct there were slaves. And now? All racism is still blamed towards us. Did I have slavers? No. I'm just as guilty for slavery as any fellow black student.

 

[iDesignLogos]

first off

after 200+ years of whites raping the north american lands and forcing off the native inhabitants and practically eradicating the whole native american raceas well as 200+ years of slavery and systematic conditioning/separation of races and classes

I have no idea how you can say that whites have no advantages over blacks in these days

it's just math homie

countless generations of slavery and restriction of blacks from succeeding just doesn't go away in a blink of an eye

read this and learn about yourself, kid

this is a white man talking about people exactly like you

http://newsreel.org/guides/race/whiteadv.htm

I don't care about the past. Yes, you're correct there were slaves. And now? All racism is still blamed towards us. Did I have slaves? No. I'm just as guilty for slavery as any fellow black student. Not to mention, slavery was around WAY before America.

 

[FreedomFight]

I want you to show me where I have an advantage.

I suppose since you aren't capable of skimming or reading properly, I'll spend 5 seconds to copy and paste to compensate for some of your stupidity.

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to
mistrust my kind or me.
3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can
afford and in which I would want to live.
4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely
represented.
7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my
color made it what it is.
8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their
race.
9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.
11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the
only member of his/her race.
12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket
and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find
someone who can cut my hair.
13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the
appearance of financial reliability.
14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical
protection.
16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and
workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.
17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.
18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute
these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.
19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's
majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without
being seen as a cultural outsider.
24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.
25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled
out because of my race.
26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's
magazines featuring people of my race.
27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than
isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.
28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize
her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.
29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program
centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues
disagree with me.
30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me
more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.
Peggy McIntosh is associate director of the Wellesley Collage Center for Research on Women. This essay is excerpted from Working
Paper 189. "White Privilege and Male Privilege: A Personal Account of Coming To See Correspondences through Work in Women's
Studies" (1988), by Peggy McIntosh; available for $4.00 from the Wellesley College Center for Research on Women, Wellesley MA 02181
The working paper contains a longer list of privileges. This excerpted essay is reprinted from the Winter 1990 issue of Independent
School.
31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage
them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative
consequences of any of these choices.
32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.
33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my
race.
34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.
35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job
suspect that I got it because of my race.
36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether
it had racial overtones.
37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my
next steps, professionally.
38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether
a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.
39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.
40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be
mistreated in the places I have chosen.
41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.
42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my
race.
43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.
44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.
45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.
46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.
47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal
with us.
48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.
49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not
turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.
50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

 

I think they are all selfish, horrible human beings who are scared of accepting someone else who looks different into society.

I find this statement pretty ironic. If looking different is the most of your problems then man have you got it good!

As far as I can tell most people are scared of accepting anyone who acts or talks differently or in divergence to the socially "normal" categories they have learned to substitute for a personality.

I get it all the time. I don't like sports. I don't have any respect for gods, nations or people in uniforms. I have almost no respect for popular culture. I try as best I can to live my chosen values, and it freaks people out.

If you don't believe me, try telling a jock that beer tastes like shit, or a lefty that environmentalism is a pathetic, infantile religion. Hell tell anyone what you really think of almost anything and see how they react.

 

[iDesignLogos]

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

Okay so the majority of the US population is white. That's a benefit?

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

I don't even see how this makes sense. White people can choose not to spend time with people that white people were some how "trained" to mistrust. Did I miss the "racist training 101" class?

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

So if you're white, you're automatically rich. Ah that must be why... I'm not rich and I still have to work to get anywhere.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

This also assumes that whites only accept other whites.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

You're right, I follow AND harrass people of other ethnicity.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

Wait, who is the president?

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

Actually in schools they teach diversity, this guy must be pretty old. Or the article is old.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

You're right, it schools we don't spend weeks and weeks every year focusing on slavery.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

You can find a publisher for a paper on "bunnies will take over the world," your point?

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

You lost me bud.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

Wait, sounds to me like you're the racist one.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

You can go into a music shop and find gospel music, emo music, christian music, country music, rap music, soul music, heavy metal music. You can go to the store and find anything from rice, to hot dogs. Anyone can go into a "hairdresser's" shop and find someone to cut your hair. Imagine that, a hair cutter that cuts hair. No way! It isnt the 1940's.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

Sorry you're black, you can't buy this. Can I saw major law suit?

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

No child left behind?

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

Where does this guy live? That's not race, that's community.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

Umm?

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

Once again, YOU'RE the racist one. It's all in your head buddy.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

Swearing is just dirty. I don't do it and I don't hand out with people that do. Wait... I'm white, so I have the "right" to. No.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

Completely random. What powerful male group?

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

"a credit to my race"? I don't get it.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

Huh?

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

How many times am I going to have to say. It's all in your head.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

Actually, having been in high school during the recent election, if you say no-bama... You're labeled a racist.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

President?

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

If you don't pay your taxes, it doesn't matter what race you are... You're gonna get nailed.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

Again, it's all in your head. You pretty much said you only want to buy stuff of your race so this gives you comfort.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

Oh cool, when did you feel that way? When's the last time you were something other than white.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.


ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

I don't get what you're saying.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

Because it's all in your head.



Okay I did the first 30. Half the stuff is ridiculous, and half of it is just in his head. Man you provided some GREAT proof! BTW proof consists of numbers and reasoning. Not a paper some random racist wrote =| .

As far as I can tell most people are scared of accepting anyone who acts or talks differently or in divergence to the socially "normal" categories they have learned to substitute for a personality.

I get it all the time. I don't like sports. I don't have any respect for gods, nations or people in uniforms. I have almost no respect for popular culture. I try as best I can to live my chosen values, and it freaks people out.

If you don't believe me, try telling a jock that beer tastes like shit, or a lefty that environmentalism is a pathetic, infantile religion. Hell tell anyone what you really think of almost anything and see how they react.

Also, actually being a christian in today's society is hard as well. People want you to do drugs, to smoke, to drink, to have sex. These don't go well. This means not being cool, not fitting in, not having cool rich friends. But in the end, is that what I want? Maybe on the surface, but in the end I'm sure there are people that would give it all just to be who they really are, like me and you. Or at least I try.

 

Also, actually being a christian in today's society is hard as well. People want you to do drugs, to smoke, to drink, to have sex. These don't go well. This means not being cool, not fitting in, not having cool rich friends. But in the end, is that what I want? Maybe on the surface, but in the end I'm sure there are people that would give it all just to be who they really are, like me and you. Or at least I try.

You've completely missed my point. Be an individual. Have your own thoughts for once.

 

[KevinW]

Everyone discriminates, that's a fact. To be honest, I have movements where I ridicule/dislike a specific aspect of a culture. However, this doesn't mean I'm racist all the time.

Personally, I found that article to be very intellectual without any hint of racism. The author is just writing about his own opinions based on his experiences. You cannot expect him to categorize all races as one of those three can you? Although, I can see that those categorizations can categorize people in general. I believe the author didn't intend on discriminating against whites. He/she most likely grew up when multiculturalism was still new.