Trade limits on f2p -> p2p

[Jasper M]

Bump - still waiting for replies from @Jefe or @Sythe

(Still at work for few more hours, on lunch atm.)

 

The one re-enactment that has been done so far was done the wrong way (gold was dropped by p2p account and picked up by f2p account) I believe it is being redone.

I've reviewed Jefe's video again.

4:28 gold dropped

11:37 - 5:58 trade window opened
11:38 - 6:55 trade window closed

11:34:36 - 3:16 clock opened
11:35:53 - 4:17 clock opened (again)
11:36:02 - 4:24 clock closed

Times starting with 11 are the system clock in the video. The other times are video playtimes.

According to the clock opening and being closed the video is 126% realtime. That means for each 1.26s of realtime there passes 1 second of video time.

This means the trade window was open for 72 seconds realtime, 57 seconds video time.

If the 1M gold had been dropped immediately before the trade window was opened, then it would have been visible when the trade window was closed. It was not visible. Therefore it was not dropped. The same logic applies for if it was placed on a table, etc.

On the basis of the video evidence I see no way that Jasper could have juggled the gold in such a way as to make the trade screen deceiving.

We'll get the names redacted from the video so it can be publicly viewed if people want. I've asked other staff to review it and see if they agree with this version of the facts.

This only leaves two possibilities: either the game down converted the gold to 25k (the most likely) or Jefe used a memory hack.

Until we absolute rule out the first hypothesis we won't entertain the second.

 

Testing with Shin we've verified that someone logging in to snipe a ground item can't see it until at least 60 seconds after they've logged in, even if the item was dropped 59 seconds before they logged in. In testing the newly logged in account still couldn't see the ground item 2 minutes after logging in, and the ground item ended up despawning before becoming visible.

However if someone was below on the ground floor of the shop they could have come up the ladder between video time 5:17 and 5:57 and taken the gold. We verified that someone down stairs can come up 45 seconds after drop and will see the item 15 seconds later.

In Jefe's video he does not look at the game window for 50s of realtime starting at 5:17 video time. This means a competent accomplice of Jasper's could have run up the ladder and sniped the 100M.

So we return to three open hypotheses:
- Game devalued the gold
- Jefe used a memory hack
- Jasper had the gold sniped by a waiting accomplice.

I'm going to reiterate that based on MO I still think the first hypothesis is most likely. We're awaiting someone to recreate the conditions and check.

 

[Jefe]

first hypothesis is most likely. We're awaiting someone to recreate the conditions and check.

Pretty sure Jasper said he was going to post a vid.

 

Pretty sure Jasper said he was going to post a vid.

afaik he didnt take a video of the trade

 

[Shin]

So we return two three open hypotheses:

two kek

 

two kek

brain fart ty

 

[Felix]

@Jasper M give up the act you stupid mongoloid

 

[Jasper M]

However if someone was below on the ground floor of the shop they could have come up the ladder between video time 5:17 and 5:57 and taken the gold. We verified that someone down stairs can come up 45 seconds after drop and will see the item 15 seconds later.

In Jefe's video he does not look at the game window for 50s of realtime starting at 5:17 video time. This means a competent accomplice of Jasper's could have run up the ladder and sniped the 100M.

We're awaiting someone to recreate the conditions and check.

#1. After reviewing that, that could be the case. But, to do this efficiently without getting caught I'd have to know when he clicks off OSRS to Skype, he could have also been using dual screens and/or split screen. There's no way I could have planned to do this without getting caught since I have no idea what Jefe is seeing at any given time.

#2. I've got to get the gold before I can recreate this scenario. It won't be until next Friday, at the soonest I am afraid. :/ Unless somebody is willing to loan the cash or something of the sort.

 

#1. After reviewing that, that could be the case. But, to do this efficiently without getting caught I'd have to know when he clicks off OSRS to Skype, he could have also been using dual screens and/or split screen. There's no way I could have planned to do this without getting caught since I have no idea what Jefe is seeing at any given time.

#2. I've got to get the gold before I can recreate this scenario. It won't be until next Friday, at the soonest I am afraid. :/ Unless somebody is willing to loan the cash or something of the sort.

I can loan it to you have to do it via drop trade though

 

[Jasper M]

I can loan it to you have to do it via drop trade though

Thanks, but I'd rather never pick up 25k again!

 

#1. After reviewing that, that could be the case. But, to do this efficiently without getting caught I'd have to know when he clicks off OSRS to Skype, he could have also been using dual screens and/or split screen. There's no way I could have planned to do this without getting caught since I have no idea what Jefe is seeing at any given time.

I've considered this. But the possibility exists that the sniping was supposed to happen in broad daylight and just by chance wasn't seen. With the original scam being to pretend you didn't know the sniper

 

[Jasper M]

I've considered this. But the possibility exists that the sniping was supposed to happen in broad daylight and just by chance wasn't seen. With the original scam being to pretend you didn't know the sniper

True but let's be honest here, I'd be banned in two seconds with no chance of a refund for that. It'd be a losing argument with that one and either way I'd have to accept a loss. This is not what happened. Also, Jagex Ash confirmed that the trade limit is only between certian botted items, not gold. I can provide pictures if needed.

 

True but let's be honest here, I'd be banned in two seconds with no chance of a refund for that. It'd be a losing argument with that one and either way I'd have to accept a loss. This is not what happened. Also, Jagex Ash confirmed that the trade limit is only between certian botted items, not gold. I can provide pictures if needed.

Still leaves two hypotheses

 

[Jasper M]

Still leaves two hypotheses

1. Jasper scanned Jefe.
2. Jefe scanned Jasper.

We will never be able to get hard evidence on each other and that's that. But, I feel quite upset about all of this and I do still push for his ban under the count of scamming. I've been 100% active in this entire dispute trying to help solve every problem we've had along the way, while he's sitting back spending my $100 and waiting to snipe his next victim. When it happens again, remember me.

Sythe, Sythe Community, Jefe scammed me for a petty $100. If you have not gathered enough information/evidence, I literally have nothing left. I've given my all, and I'm tired and worn. Ask yourself this, why would a 'new' member of Sythe waste this much time fighting a dispute, if it wasn't true?

Take this as my final example of Jefe scamming...

 

1. Jasper scanned Jefe.
2. Jefe scanned Jasper.

We will never be able to get hard evidence on each other and that's that. But, I feel quite upset about all of this and I do still push for his ban under the count of scamming. I've been 100% active in this entire dispute trying to help solve every problem we've had along the way, while he's sitting back spending my $100 and waiting to snipe his next victim. When it happens again, remember me.

Sythe, Sythe Community, Jefe scammed me for a petty $100. If you have not gathered enough information/evidence, I literally have nothing left. I've given my all, and I'm tired and worn. Ask yourself this, why would a 'new' member of Sythe waste this much time fighting a dispute, if it wasn't true?

Take this as my final example of Jefe scamming...

The case is rather unusual in that you provided unusual and explicit instructions to the other party, which they followed to the letter according to video evidence. According to the other party the transaction was successful, but according to you it wasn't.

I see no grounds for action on either side, the same verdict I came to initially.

I suggest in future you make video recordings of large transactions and also use best practices / industry standard practices, or if you don't then at least use a provably best practice version of whatever alternative practice you're using.

 

[Heads447]

1. Jasper scanned Jefe.
2. Jefe scanned Jasper.

We will never be able to get hard evidence on each other and that's that. But, I feel quite upset about all of this and I do still push for his ban under the count of scamming. I've been 100% active in this entire dispute trying to help solve every problem we've had along the way, while he's sitting back spending my $100 and waiting to snipe his next victim. When it happens again, remember me.

Sythe, Sythe Community, Jefe scammed me for a petty $100. If you have not gathered enough information/evidence, I literally have nothing left. I've given my all, and I'm tired and worn. Ask yourself this, why would a 'new' member of Sythe waste this much time fighting a dispute, if it wasn't true?

Take this as my final example of Jefe scamming...

Rumor has it he spent all $100 on a male stripper

 

[Felix]

@Jasper M who are you still trying to convince lol you're pretty transparent

 

Rumor has it he spent all $100 on a male stripper

how was ur date?

 

[Heads447]

how was ur date?

this friday fam