The thread disproves god entirely

[Dorito]

I don't think Cruel__Machine could of said it any better.

You say we, need a God to believe in, because we can't confront death, we are scared? When really, no, we are not. We accept the fact that everyone dies, please tell me where we deny that or try to escape from it? We know that, but we also believe that there is a greater thing after life.

I say, for people who don't believe in a God, are scared. They deny the existence of a God, because, if they were to believe, maybe, just maybe, they would actually change their lives. I say it it just an excuse to hide your actual fear, or the consequences of the actions you have done on this earth.

People don't believe in God, because all they want is fun, because they think, they were put on this planet, to DO WHAT THEY WANTED, to have THEIR FUN, to get whatever THEY WANT. If you thought you were put on this planet for those reasons, just so you could be happy, I truly do feel bad for you.

You say I'm scared so I believe in God, I say you don't believe in God, because you are scared of what might happen. Is it you, who doesn't want to face reality, that maybe, just maybe, we do have a purpose other than what we want, and just maybe, there is a higher being. And just maybe, you are scared to face that reality.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Mmm kay. Based on what? I say the complete opposite.

Based on reality. I have talked to many people about this, and the more intelligent, logical people tend to be Atheists.

FYI, the Bible, along with person accounts from thousands of people, act as a couple measly reasons to believe a God may exist.
Get some sense....

The Bible is a book. If I write a book about how the stars are gods, will people believe it? Clearly not. It makes assertions without backing them up.

Funny... I see not believing in God to be the true denial of the "harsh realities of the universe". People want to live a smug and carefree life without the worries of what lies in death and the potential consequences thereof.
While you would say people need God for those exact reasons.

I don't deny the existence of a God because I want to live a "smug and carefree" life. I deny its existence because there is no evidence to support it.

Are you prepared to realize that no one in this entire Universe is watching out for you? No one is going to find enternal peace?
Are you prepared to accept the fact that one day you, your family, your friends are just gonna die, rot in the ground and wait for some maggots to skull fuck you?

You cannot deny the Atheistic arguments just because their ramifications are upsetting to you.

I believe in the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit because I believe that the Universe wasn't made out of a bunch o' fucking coincidences that you call indisputable proof, I call just as much a load as you saying my Lord Jesus Christ didn't die for my sins and were all gonna rot in the ground one day!

The universe wasn't made out of coincidences.

The thing is, my side of the argument has logic, evidence, and so forth. Yours doesn't, and is easily explained away by basic psychology.

It's called thinking out of the box.
Usually people who think like that happen to be very successful in life.
TRY IT SOMETIME.

I would assume that you were brought up into your religion. Most people believe in whatever they've been raised to believe. Personally, I wouldn't call that thinking outside the box.

Actually, how do you rationalize that your mode of thinking is "thinking outside the box"? What logic led you to that?

I do think outside the box. Please, don't try to make petty attacks against somebody you know absolutely nothing about.

I say, for people who don't believe in a God, are scared. They deny the existence of a God, because, if they were to believe, maybe, just maybe, they would actually change their lives. I say it it just an excuse to hide your actual fear, or the consequences of the actions you have done on this earth.

LOL.

Believe me, I'm not scared. I deny the existence of a God because there is no evidence, the very idea is a little ridiculous, etc. So, nice try, but you're wrong.

 

[2kewl4u]

^ Ownt.
It really shouldn't matter what god or religeon you follow, as long as your a good person.

 

[Dorito]

LOL.

Believe me, I'm not scared. I deny the existence of a God because there is no evidence, the very idea is a little ridiculous, etc. So, nice try, but you're wrong.

Oh yeah, I'm wrong, because you think you can outsmart me. You think you can defeat something that is so far away from science, with science. God isn't science, God is faith.

And please, please, don't give me the, OH YEAH, blah, that's what you always say when you can't find an argument, BLAH, BLAH.

I say it, because it's the truth. How am I wrong? I can disprove you, just as easily as you can disprove me.

As seeing your other posts, I would of thought you could debate a little more intelligent than an LOL and you're wrong concept, but maybe you can't.

Guess what? It all comes down to beliefs, and opinions. You think me believing in God is ridiculous, and please, don't try to tell me that's a fact, because that's your own opinion of me.

So please, don't try to judge me when you know nothing about me, as that, what would you call it? Is very ridiculous.

 

[dpunk]

You say we, need a God to believe in, because we can't confront death, we are scared? When really, no, we are not. We accept the fact that everyone dies, please tell me where we deny that or try to escape from it? We know that, but we also believe that there is a greater thing after life.

You try to escape from death by making up a life after death. It is one of the hardest things in the world to swallow because it is so embedded into us from the time we're born.

I say, for people who don't believe in a God, are scared. They deny the existence of a God, because, if they were to believe, maybe, just maybe, they would actually change their lives. I say it it just an excuse to hide your actual fear, or the consequences of the actions you have done on this earth.

The reason I don't believe in God is not because I'm scared, it's because I have no reason to believe in him. There's no proof he exists, and even if one does you have the problem of choosing which one is real.

People don't believe in God, because all they want is fun, because they think, they were put on this planet, to DO WHAT THEY WANTED, to have THEIR FUN, to get whatever THEY WANT. If you thought you were put on this planet for those reasons, just so you could be happy, I truly do feel bad for you.

If I had a reason to believe that a God exists, I guarantee you I would change the way I live accordingly. It's not a hard concept. You find out something new, you change.

You say I'm scared so I believe in God, I say you don't believe in God, because you are scared of what might happen. Is it you, who doesn't want to face reality, that maybe, just maybe, we do have a purpose other than what we want, and just maybe, there is a higher being. And just maybe, you are scared to face that reality.

What the hell is there to be scared of if there is a God? That would make my life a hell of a lot easier. I would have a direction of where to go, morals to live by, etc.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Oh yeah, I'm wrong, because you think you can outsmart me. You think you can defeat something that is so far away from science, with science. God isn't science, God is faith.

Faith is a cop-out. If you are saying that the only way you can accept an assertion is through faith, then you are saying that it cannot be taken on its own merits.

I thank dpunk for that quote.

I say it, because it's the truth. How am I wrong? I can disprove you, just as easily as you can disprove me.

How are you wrong? You say I'm scared to accept God, but I simply laugh at the idea. Am I scared? Not at all.

As seeing your other posts, I would of thought you could debate a little more intellegent than an LOL and you're wrong concept, but maybe you can't.

I say "LOL" whenever I laugh out loud in real life.

Guess what? It all comes down to beliefs, and opinions. You think me believing in God is rediculas, and please, don't try to tell me that's a fact, because that's your own opinion of me.

An opinion backed up by logic, evidence, etc.

So please, don't try to judge me when you know nothing about me, as that, what would you call it? Is very illogical.

I'm not trying to judge you. I'm discussing the idea of God.

 

[Looming]

You think you can defeat something that is so far away from science, with science. God isn't science, God is faith.

Funny, faith is belief not based on proof.

 

[Dorito]

Faith is a cop-out. If you are saying that the only way you can accept an assertion is through faith, then you are saying that it cannot be taken on its own merits.

I thank dpunk for that quote.

That is exactly what I was trying to say not to say, but meh, some people don't listen. How is it a cop-out? God deals with religion, religion deals with faith, faith is something you believe without necessarily physical evidence. FAITH, is what this whole discussion is about, it's the definition of what we are talking about.

So, you cannot prove, nor disprove faith. We can sit here all day long, and debate, and in the end, it was just wasting time, as neither of us will be swayed by what we hear, the only reason people debate this, is to prove a sense of higher intellect over the others.

And thank you Loomy, you just proved my point once again, God is not science, He is faith.

How are you wrong? You say I'm scared to accept God, but I simply laugh at the idea. Am I scared? Not at all.

You say the reason we accept it, is because we are scared? Why can I not make the same misjudged, opinionated response myself?

I say "LOL" whenever I laugh out loud in real life.

Sadly to say, I couldn't care less if you laugh to yourself, this is a debate and discussion, LOL, is not needed.

An opinion backed up by logic, evidence, etc.

Ahh, there you go again, pushing your opinion on another, because you think you are right. This whole thread is people's opinions, almost everything you say, is simply what YOU believe, against what I believe.

I'm not trying to judge you. I'm discussing the idea of God.

Then please do not call me scared, and please, don't call me wrong, because, an opinion, can never be wrong. Debate me, all you want, I'm not going anywhere, but obviously you need to use things other than your wrong to prove me wrong. But in the end, it really doesn't matter, now does it?

 

[Cruel__Machine]

It's a subconscious thing. When I believed, I didn't have any reason to other than I thought that it was the truth, or so I thought.

So you admit that people sincerely believe in God, meaning it is an unconditional belief, therefore invalidating your previous statement about why people "want" to believe in God.

Or, our egos are so big that we believe that we are the only ones that get special treatment from a divine being (in most cases). What about the animals? Sure there's cows in Hinduism, and other animals, but why do humans have to be the ones that God seems to care about the most? What makes us so special?

Our superiority is already so apparent, I don't see what we'd gain from this thinking. It's possible you are correct and some people think this way, but it's not likely.

You first need existence in order to have raping. It's a start. With the concept of God, you don't even have the fact whether he exists or not established or not. A pink flaming that exists has a better chance of doing anything than a God who doesn't.

You are inconsistent. You first regard to God as having an existence that is "not established", factually. Then you say God doesn't exist in your last statement.
I can agree that a flamingo has a better chance of raping than an entity whose existence is not proven, but it doesn't mean the latter has no chance at all. And you say there is no chance that God exists, which seems very stupid to me, regardless of any perspective I look at it from.

What the hell is there to be scared of if there is a God? That would make my life a hell of a lot easier. I would have a direction of where to go, morals to live by, etc.

So a life full of laws is easier lived than a lawless one? Hrm...

Based on reality. I have talked to many people about this, and the more intelligent, logical people tend to be Atheists.

I find people who agree with me to be more intelligent too. -_-

The Bible is a book. If I write a book about how the stars are gods, will people believe it? Clearly not. It makes assertions without backing them up.

Firstly, people will believe anything.
Secondly, there is no way to back up the Bible to your liking without God visiting us personally. I don't know why He doesn't, but I likewise don't care about the reason.
Lastly, just because the Bible is a book doesn't mean it cannot act as evidence in support of the possibility of a God. It's a book while simultaneously being a testament of God's existence from many people over thousands of years.
If such a book existed in support of any other being(s) or event(s), I would no doubt recognize them as possibly existing (or occurring). Thinking that it has the same probably of existing as a being or event that has no witnesses is stupid.
And that is why a "logical mind with no preconceptions, and extensive scientific knowledge" would in fact recognize the possibility.

I don't deny the existence of a God because I want to live a "smug and carefree" life.

Good. And neither do I accept His existence in denial of the "harsh realities of the universe". So it looks like we've debunked your statement along with my alteration of it.

 

[Govind]

Ok let me just clear things up here: Hindus don't worship cows. It's just forbidden to slaughter a cow or eat cow meat. I don't know why people are so deluded.

Here you go: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/82/story_8229_1.html

 

[dpunk]

So you admit that people sincerely believe in God, meaning it is an unconditional belief, therefore invalidating your previous statement about why people "want" to believe in God.

A need for a God is what is subconscious, not your want. It's not a blanket thing, it's different for everyone I suppose. Some people have a subconscious need for a God, and some people have a conscious want. Some people can't live with the fact that they're existence will end once they die, so they turn to a God without even thinking of why they do, other than it comforts them. That is a subconscious need. The person didn't recognize the reason behind them believing in a God, but it was present. This would be people like my Grandmother. Then there are people who want to believe in a God, because they don't want to face the fact that they will one day cease to exist, recognize that consciously, and turn to a God as a way of explaining things. These are the people who say, "Well if there is no God, where do we go when we die? Why should I not believe in God when Atheism doesn't answer that question? Maybe when you can answer that I'll become an Atheist." (summary of a conversation I once had) Those are the people who want a God to be real. I was one of the people who had a need to believe in a God. I needed rules to live by, a routine to go through, an ultimate life goal to be set, and a path to follow. Christianity answered all those needs that I never even knew that I had until I looked back on it.

You are inconsistent. You first regard to God as having an existence that is "not established", factually. Then you say God doesn't exist in your last statement.

That is when I slide between Atheist and Agnostic reasoning. I use a little bit of both since they both apply. There is no question that God's existence is not established factually, but sometimes I have to take it a step further and skip all the bullshit about it being possible however low the chance is.

I can agree that a flamingo has a better chance of raping than an entity whose existence is not proven, but it doesn't mean the latter has no chance at all.

But eventually the chance of something happening gets to be so low that one doesn't need to recognize it. We both can agree that a lawn gnome raping a pink flamingo is possible, but the chance of it happening is so low that we choose not to think about it being a possibility.

And you say there is no chance that God exists, which seems very stupid to me, regardless of any perspective I look at it from.

I never said that there is no chance that God exists in any of my statements I don't think, although I have said that the chance is extremely low as I did in the upper reply.

So a life full of laws is easier lived than a lawless one? Hrm...

You would be very surprised. When you have rules to go by, life runs a lot smoother, because you don't get caught up with the decision making that you do when you have no rules. You don't have to decide for yourself what your values are, how to act, etc.

Ok let me just clear things up here: Hindus don't worship cows. It's just forbidden to slaughter a cow or eat cow meat. I don't know why people are so deluded.

Here you go: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/82/story_8229_1.html

I wasn't trying to say that they worship them, just trying to say that they are given some importance as being sacred, unlike western religions.

 

[Sniper1245]

i deny God because there is no existence of such a thing with lack of proof. over the course of billions of years not one clear sign.

 

[Xx Hahaha xX]

these are just questions...not facts,questioning doesnt prove anything

nice ripping btw

 

[Shredderbeam]

That is exactly what I was trying to say not to say, but meh, some people don't listen. How is it a cop-out? God deals with religion, religion deals with faith, faith is something you believe without necessarily physical evidence. FAITH, is what this whole discussion is about, it's the definition of what we are talking about.

It is a cop-out because if you cannot accept a principle without faith, then you basically cannot accept it on its own terms.

So, you cannot prove, nor disprove faith. We can sit here all day long, and debate, and in the end, it was just wasting time, as neither of us will be swayed by what we hear, the only reason people debate this, is to prove a sense of higher intellect over the others.

Oh, some people will be swayed. I myself was, about two years ago.

You cannot disprove faith, but if that's the level that it has been reduced to (You cannot prove God wrong), then I think that says something about the logic of those beliefs.

You say the reason we accept it, is because we are scared? Why can I not make the same misjudged, opinionated response myself?

Fair enough.

Ahh, there you go again, pushing your opinion on another, because you think you are right. This whole thread is people's opinions, almost everything you say, is simply what YOU believe, against what I believe.

Of course I think I'm right! If I thought that I was wrong, why would I be arguing this side?

One side of the argument has superior arguments. After enough debating, one side will be clearly victorious, as the other side will be unable to rebut its main points.

Then please do not call me scared, and please, don't call me wrong, because, an opinion, can never be wrong. Debate me, all you want, I'm not going anywhere, but obviously you need to use things other than your wrong to prove me wrong. But in the end, it really doesn't matter, now does it?

I don't think I said "You were wrong", but if I did, I shouldn't have. I try not to do a Sythe-style argument.

I find people who agree with me to be more intelligent too. -_-

In terms of I.Q., I mean. Statistically, people who are Atheists tend to have higher I.Q.'s.

And that is why a "logical mind with no preconceptions, and extensive scientific knowledge" would in fact recognize the possibility.

And I do recognize the possibility. I just find it extremely improbable that a God would interact with us to such a degree, model us after him, etc. If there is a God, it is likely a manifestation of the highest plane of reality, or some such thing. It is probably not intelligent, does not think like us, and does not have human emotions.

 

[Annex]

The whole idea of god was created to maintain control over people. Without such consequences for your actions thousands of years ago, the human race may have very well pushed ourselves to extinction. Our creator was more than likely an alien asteriod from a distant galaxy packed full of hydrocarbons that slammed into early earth less than one day into its existence, using carbon dating, the earliest life has been put about 6 hours after the creation of the earth. The first life was bacteria that survived off of methane which was abundant from the lava everywhere. Later on when the earth completely froze all of this life died and decayed. Once the ice melted, there was cold hard rock below, and from there bacteria surviving off of oxygen was formed. This was nearly 3 billion years ago, and formed the foundations for all hydrocarbon based life forms (everything on earth). If there was a god, he would probably be a scientist from an alien species that is on a planet millions of light years away perhaps one day we will come into contact with it once again but until then, we did evolve from this simple bacteria. If god is not science, then he would be incapable of delivering the building blocks for life to earth. Religion is nothing more than a waste of nearly 7 years of your life. The rules set by Christianity can contradict themselves too. For example, if ones parents were to tell them to steal a cd, they would be forced to sin, stealing is a sin, and disobeying your parents is a sin. That would be like playing a game of baseball where if you hit the ball you are out, and if you miss you are out. I could post more about all religions but im running out of characters in which to type as the maximum is around 8192 characters.

 

[sn1per]

alright, im not denying the existance of god, i just have a question. If god is everywhere at every given point in time, then how can evil be the absence of god. Wouldnt that mean there is no evil?

The whole idea of god was created to maintain control over people. Without such consequences for your actions thousands of years ago, the human race may have very well pushed ourselves to extinction. Our creator was more than likely an alien asteriod from a distant galaxy packed full of hydrocarbons that slammed into early earth less than one day into its existence, using carbon dating, the earliest life has been put about 6 hours after the creation of the earth. The first life was bacteria that survived off of methane which was abundant from the lava everywhere. Later on when the earth completely froze all of this life died and decayed. Once the ice melted, there was cold hard rock below, and from there bacteria surviving off of oxygen was formed. This was nearly 3 billion years ago, and formed the foundations for all hydrocarbon based life forms (everything on earth). If there was a god, he would probably be a scientist from an alien species that is on a planet millions of light years away perhaps one day we will come into contact with it once again but until then, we did evolve from this simple bacteria. If god is not science, then he would be incapable of delivering the building blocks for life to earth. Religion is nothing more than a waste of nearly 7 years of your life. The rules set by Christianity can contradict themselves too. For example, if ones parents were to tell them to steal a cd, they would be forced to sin, stealing is a sin, and disobeying your parents is a sin. That would be like playing a game of baseball where if you hit the ball you are out, and if you miss you are out. I could post more about all religions but im running out of characters in which to type as the maximum is around 8192 characters.

The rules of christianity state to honor your mother and father, not to obey them. nice thinking though.

 

[dpunk]

The rules of christianity state to honor your mother and father, not to obey them. nice thinking though.

That's only the ten commandments. Leviticus, or one of the books around there, call for disobedient children to be stoned to death. I would say that serves as pretty good indication you're supposed to obey them, not just honor them.

 

[sn1per]

That's only the ten commandments. Leviticus, or one of the books around there, call for disobedient children to be stoned to death. I would say that serves as pretty good indication you're supposed to obey them, not just honor them.

as to other rules, there are exceptions. Now that may say that they should be stoned to death, but does happen now? NO. Back then when these were made, when was there a cd's that your mom would tell you to steal? Also common sense tells you you dont have to listen to someone telling you to do the wrong things.

It’s fine to obey parents who are good and loving, but how can a person be expected to obey parents who are mean and unreasonable and old-fashioned and insensitive and bossy and set in their ways and lacking any kind of understanding?"

god is the surpreme authority, your parents are just the authority over you. Its ok to disobey your parents who are doing wrong so you can please the higher authority

who would you listen to, a police officer, or the president?

 

[dpunk]

as to other rules, there are exceptions. Now that may say that they should be stoned to death, but does happen now? NO. Back then when these were made, when was there a cd's that your mom would tell you to steal? Also common sense tells you you dont have to listen to someone telling you to do the wrong things.

It’s fine to obey parents who are good and loving, but how can a person be expected to obey parents who are mean and unreasonable and old-fashioned and insensitive and bossy and set in their ways and lacking any kind of understanding?"

god is the surpreme authority, your parents are just the authority over you. Its ok to disobey your parents who are doing wrong so you can please the higher authority

who would you listen to, a police officer, or the president?

But there is also a passage in Corinthians telling parents to not cause their children to be disobedient to them, or some shit like that. So if the parents are supposedly following God's oh-so-mysterious direction, there would be no need for disobedience. I wasn't trying to refute the fact that the whole stealing cd's situation isn't technically applicable, just the fact that the Bible does hint that you're supposed to obey your parents.

 

[sn1per]

But there is also a passage in Corinthians telling parents to not cause their children to be disobedient to them, or some shit like that. So if the parents are supposedly following God's oh-so-mysterious direction, there would be no need for disobedience. I wasn't trying to refute the fact that the whole stealing cd's situation isn't technically applicable, just the fact that the Bible does hint that you're supposed to obey your parents.

yes there are hints some in some areas that tell you t oobey your parents. But that is because your parents are supposed to be your role models. Im just saying that your not expected to listen to your parents if they go against god.


the bible does state in other areas that you should not steal and lie and all that stuff. Now if your parents are tempting you to do that, theyre following the devil and not god. So If you disobeyed them to obey god, you wouldnt be punished cuz your parents wouldnt be following the rule "you get stone", or w/e it says.

like something like this. dont critisize the chart cuz i put no effort into it. just trying to make a point


Gods teachings,
dont steal
honor your parents
obey them or you get stoned.

Devils teachings
go against god.

If your parents told you to steal, theyre going against god. This would mean that they are following the devils teachings and not gods. So you would not be punished for disobeying them if you are following god teachings. its 2 different teachings that you and your parents choose to follow.

the rules were made infering that you and your parents followed the same teachings.\


this may not mean that they are always under the devils influence. it may be for that little while, but they were still following it meaning you wouldnt get punished.


Honestly though, i cant see where this thread is going. You cant prove/disprove god. its just not going to heppen. i really think threads about this should stop being made. Most people are going to beleive what they beleive. Science can only prove so much before its mostly theories.

just like how you guys ask us to prove how god can exist. I want you to tell me how the universe was made right now. And i want full proof. other then not im not changing what i beleive