Zimmerman Not Guilty

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I agree with loyal, I hate how people think its all about "Racism" well its not, regardless of their race... justice has been served.. he has been proven to be innocent, the kid died, may his soul rest in peace, and now everyone should move on with their lifes.

p.s; im black.

If race has nothing to do with it why do you feel the need to tell us your black?

 

[Heads447]

I'm really not, he lost martin before the 911 phone call ended. Martin then followed him and that's where the conflict began. Instead of going home, he confronted the conflict which is essentially the same thing everyone is pissed at GZ for doing.

Your facts are all wrong, I have no idea where you conjured them from.

However, even if what you say did happen, place yourself in Martin's shoes. You're walking back home in your own neighborhood, when a stranger wanabe cop "thinks" you looks suspicious, gets out of his car and starts harassing you in YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Don't tell me you would have not confronted him in anyway.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Just putting this out there if the laws actually made sense like I feel they do in Canada he would have been charged. Think about it self defense isn't he tackled me so I shot him. You can pull a gun but really pulling the trigger in self defense is really only if the other person has a gun. It would be considered excessive force in my opinion. In Canada self defense as a use in court is considered "the use of reasonable force to protect yourself". So if someone had a gun you could use a gun. If someone doesn't you cannot actually fire your gun.

That must have been a mean tackle to bloody someone's nose and put multiple gashes in the back of someone's head.

 

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Just putting this out there if the laws actually made sense like I feel they do in Canada he would have been charged. Think about it self defense isn't he tackled me so I shot him. You can pull a gun but really pulling the trigger in self defense is really only if the other person has a gun. It would be considered excessive force in my opinion. In Canada self defense as a use in court is considered "the use of reasonable force to protect yourself". This applies to this situation in my opinion. There are other laws in Canada I disagree with but the gun laws and just general laws on when you can harm people make Canada safer in my opinion.

Look up the "stand your ground" law in florida. I think that had a lot to do with it. Im sure if this was in a northern state/canada he would have gotten at least 15 years for mannslaughter. Then again that drunk driver in bc(i think bc) got no time for hitting and killing a 4 year old petting a horse on the side of the road. So who knows what would have happened to him

 

That must have been a mean tackle to bloody someone's nose and put multiple gashes in the back of someone's head.

Read my edit. Also regardless if the other person is unarmed you shouldn't shoot him unless absolutely necessary. If you had the opportunity to shoot him you probably could have diffused the situation. He was angry and he shot him in "self defense" or as revenge for the attack.

Look up the "stand your ground" law in florida. I think that had a lot to do with it. Im sure if this was in a northern state/canada he would have gotten at least 15 years for mannslaughter. Then again that drunk driver in bc(i think bc) got no time for hitting and killing a 4 year old petting a horse on the side of the road. So who knows what would have happened to him

Yeah agreed. I'd be interested to see the specifics behind "stand your ground" if you have any I'd be interested in learning them as I'm not familiar with certain state laws. From my understanding what my friend explained he said that it entails if you feel threatened you can apply force to secure the situation such as murdering someone on your property? The same friend and I discussed this and I hypothesize Canada is more lenient on bad decisions resulting in death such as the drunk driver in BC. My small town has had a history of drunk drivers. A 21 year old male drunk driver killed 3 teenagers four years ago and received 8 years as prison sentence.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Your facts are all wrong, I have no idea where you conjured them from.

However, even if what you say did happen, place yourself in Martin's shoes. You're walking back home in your own neighborhood, a stranger wanabe cop "thinks" you looks suspicious and starts harassing you in YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Don't tell me you would have not confronted him in anyway.

My facts are wrong but yours are completely correct, okay. And I can show you that he had "A couple of minutes" at the time that he lost GZ and had told the girl he was on the phone that he was right by his house, meaning he could have easily went inside which would have been the right thing to do. He confronted the situation and didn't even bother to even see why GZ was following him or say "Hey man, I live here" when GZ supposedly asked him what he "was doing walking around".

And are you serious? What do you not get when I say TM obviously didn't know who the hell GZ even was so to him it's just a random stranger. If someone was following me and I was fearful I would get help not put myself in danger. He made it worse when he attacked GZ and confirmed his suspicion that he was dangerous. If you justify TM's actions than your a hypocrite for saying that GZ shouldn't have followed someone he found suspicious.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Read my edit. Also regardless if the other person is unarmed you shouldn't shoot him unless absolutely necessary. If you had the opportunity to shoot him you probably could have diffused the situation. He was angry and

1. You're not going to know if someone is unarmed when they're bashing your head in the sidewalk

2. Why do you think someone slamming your head on concrete isn't qualified as "absolutely necessary" especially when you had suspicion (however warranted it may have been or not) to begin with. Him fighting GZ only confirmed GZ's suspicion. If anyone were to diffuse the situation, it could have and should have been martin to say "Hey I live here" when asked or god forbid go in the houose, not start beating up the person following him. That would only make GZ more impulsive to pull his fire arm, what?

3. He was angry that TM beat him up so he shot him? Wtf? They were in a scuffle and he was shot during the fight, not out of revenge. What the hell. And opportunities to shoot, and diffuse a fight are two separate wave lengths...

 

[Plznate]

Clearly there are alot of uninformed people in this thread.

Zimmerman waived his right to use "stand your ground" in the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

 

[Heads447]

My facts are wrong but yours are completely correct, okay. And I can show you that he had "A couple of minutes" at the time that he lost GZ and had told the girl he was on the phone that he was right by his house, meaning he could have easily went inside which would have been the right thing to do. He confronted the situation and didn't even bother to even see why GZ was following him or say "Hey man, I live here" when GZ supposedly asked him what he "was doing walking around".

And are you serious? What do you not get when I say TM obviously didn't know who the hell GZ even was so to him it's just a random stranger. If someone was following me and I was fearful I would get help not put myself in danger. He made it worse when he attacked GZ and confirmed his suspicion that he was dangerous. If you justify TM's actions than your a hypocrite for saying that GZ shouldn't have followed someone he found suspicious.

And I can show you that he had "A couple of minutes" at the time that he lost GZ and had told the girl he was on the phone that he was right by his house, meaning he could have easily went inside which would have been the right thing to do.

Please do share. I'd love to see it.

Ok it's getting pointless arguing with you on this topic because

1. You know don't what happened; your facts are wrong.

2. You refuse to accept or acknowledge that Martin was unarmed and GZ got out of his car with a LOADED gun after the police told him to fuck off.

I'm a hypocrite for saying that I would have not done the same thing if I was in Martin's shoes.

Fixed.

 

[Austintheman]

posted on another thread, but I guess here would be a better spot.


People are jumping all over GZ because he "followed/confronted" a suspect, but if you flip the coin, isn't that exactly what TM did? Not only did he initially get away, but he then decided to hunt down and confront zimmerman (To him, just a sketchy individual, he didn't know who GZ was, right?). Why wouldn't he call for help if he was truly fearful for his life? Why would he not get to his dad's house instead of confronting and then fucking up GZ which ultimately caused him to pull a gun? Or why wouldn't he just simply say "what's up man is there a problem?" or "Hey dude I live here, what's up?". I have a hard time believing someone who is essentially just watching the neighborhood for crime is going to completely initiate a fight, but everyone can believe what they want I guess.

It's terrible that someone lost their life, but in fights it's not uncommon that a gun gets pulled out. Everyday people on worldstarhiphop videos do it all the time. So why does no one care that TM caused the altercation that ultimately ended his life because there was really no other way to avoid it if you're getting fucked up like GZ most likely was. Street fights are scary and extremely dangerous, people are left with their heads smashed in all time... Left to bleed and die so tell me what would have happened if he hadn't of shot him? It's self defense, and it was both parties that made it happen. People should learn from this instead of just trying to persecute everyone.



Where in the world did you get that order of events from, lol?????



you do know you're the only racist here for claiming that right?



Martin is responsible for martin's death because HE followed and approached the "creepy white cracker" when he lost his tail and could have went home but instead went on to be the living shit out of GZ. (That's not true though. He's just an innocent boy who loved to run and play and eat skittles).

Actually heads is right, i think you may have got the wrong facts / information but I don't believe that TM was the one to follow GZ, i'm almost positive it was the other way around.


I do believe that Zimmerman's intent was to kill Trayvon from the beginning. In the call with the dispatcher, he says "these assholes always get away". Now I don't believe the outcome(the verdict) had anything to do with Martin's race but I believe that zimmerman had targeted him because he was black. Oh well, nothing surprises me after the casey anthony case.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Please do share. I'd love to see it.

Ok it's getting pointless arguing with you on this topic because

1. You know don't what happened; your facts are wrong.

2. You refuse to accept or acknowledge that Martin was unarmed and GZ got out of his car with a LOADED gun after the police told him to fuck off.



Fixed.

The girl said she could hear Trayvon running, "and then he said he lost him." She could hear him "breathing hard" and said Trayvon's voice "kind of changed."

"I know he was scared," she said. "His voice was getting kind of low. ... He said he lost him."

He again started walking. she told Trayvon to keep running, but "he said he ain't gonna run. He said he's right by his father's house."

"And in a couple minutes, he said the man's following him again, he's behind him," she said. "I say, 'Run,'" but he replies he's too tired, breathing "real hard."

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ased-in-trayvon-martin-killing/1#.T-Tw6xc7Xko

He could have left, avoided the situation with the man who he had no idea even was, but chose to confront it (That's okay though, right?). I don't know about you but in a couple of minutes, I could be at the other side of the block...

And again, yeah my "facts" are wrong and yours are right. You must know everything about everything?

2. You do realize he was already long out of the car when they told him not to follow him, correct?

And awww, modifying my posts and putting *fixed, what a fresh joke. Cute.

 

He could have left, avoided the situation with the man who he had no idea even was, but chose to confront it (That's okay though, right?). I don't know about you but in a couple of minutes, I could be at the other side of the block...

And again, yeah my "facts" are wrong and yours are right. You must know everything about everything?

2. You do realize he was already long out of the car when they told him not to follow him, correct?

And awww, modifying my posts and putting *fixed, what a fresh joke. Cute.

Where are you getting your facts? The fact you are putting quotations around your facts makes me skeptical that you're just making this stuff up to fit your argument. Note: I did not actively follow the case I'm just commenting on the morals and the way some states deal with a murder like this regardless this would be excessive force not self defense in Canada and would at the very least be manslaughter but most likely second degree as carrying a firearm is prohibited in Canada.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Actually heads is right, i think you may have got the wrong facts / information but I don't believe that TM was the one to follow GZ, i'm almost positive it was the other way around.


I do believe that Zimmerman's intent was to kill Trayvon from the beginning. In the call with the dispatcher, he says "these assholes always get away". Now I don't believe the outcome(the verdict) had anything to do with Martin's race but I believe that zimmerman had targeted him because he was black. Oh well, nothing surprises me after the casey anthony case.

I didn't say TM initially followed GZ but he had the chance to get away but he chose to confront it, so in a way he did follow GZ.

And your last paragraph, please tell me you're not serious. You really think someone saying "These assholes always get away with it" means he wanted blood for him? Nothing but a generalization at most. EVEN IF (And he might not even had) meant it in the context that "black people always get away with it" it's a generalization and in no way should be interpreted to mean "I'm going to kill this dude tonight".

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Where are you getting your facts? The fact you are putting quotations around your facts makes me skeptical that you're just making this stuff up to fit your argument. Note: I did not actively follow the case I'm just commenting on the morals and the way some states deal with a murder like this regardless this would be excessive force not self defense in Canada and would at the very least be manslaughter but most likely second degree as carrying a firearm is prohibited in Canada.

He’s running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher:

He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman:

Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher:

OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

NOTE:

[Listen here at 1:17 for CNN's edited frame]
[Read CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin's explanation of why the use of a racial slur is critical in this case.]

911 dispatcher:

Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmerman-s-911-call-transcribed

20 seconds I'll be on the other side of the complex where he was at if you look at the map, it's a small area if you're running out of your car you're going to get distance in 20 seconds from when he left to when she said don't.

Edited the source in my previous post too.

 

[Heads447]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...ased-in-trayvon-martin-killing/1#.T-Tw6xc7Xko

He could have left, avoided the situation with the man who he had no idea even was, but chose to confront it (That's okay though, right?). I don't know about you but in a couple of minutes, I could be at the other side of the block...

And again, yeah my "facts" are wrong and yours are right. You must know everything about everything?

2. You do realize he was already long out of the car when they told him not to follow him, correct?

And awww, modifying my posts and putting *fixed, what a fresh joke. Cute.

Getting your facts from an outdated USA Today editorial. http://content.usatoday.com/communi...yvon-martin-killing/1?csp=34news#.T7ZbCcXUQgl Seems legit.

 

[Lame]

I didn't say TM initially followed GZ but he had the chance to get away but he chose to confront it, so in a way he did follow GZ.

And your last paragraph, please tell me you're not serious. You really think someone saying "These assholes always get away with it" means he wanted blood for him? Nothing but a generalization at most. EVEN IF (And he might not even had) meant it in the context that "black people always get away with it" it's a generalization and in no way should be interpreted to mean "I'm going to kill this dude tonight".

He was obviously angry and by saying that i assume he was on a power trip so i dont think its such a giant generalization.

Please dont jump on my dick.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Getting your facts from an outdated USA Today editorial. http://content.usatoday.com/communi...yvon-martin-killing/1?csp=34news#.T7ZbCcXUQgl Seems legit.

Are you high? What does the date matter it was a statement not only from his girlfriend but can easily be confirmed on his call log, that doesn't become "Outdated". Respond with a real response please, you're picking at straws now.

He was obviously angry and by saying that i assume he was on a power trip so i dont think its such a giant generalization.

Please dont jump on my dick.

I'm not jumping on you but you can't seriously believe someone who is on the phone with the cops had intentions from the get go to kill the kid...

 

[Heads447]

Are you high? What does the date matter it was a statement not only from his girlfriend but can easily be confirmed on his call log, that doesn't become "Outdated". Respond with a real response please, you're picking at straws now.

You're hilarious. Are you ok lol??? You seem to have conveniently left out the other key word in my post. EDITORIAL. If you don't know what that is, then I suggest you look that up. At first I wasn't sure if you were trolling me or if you were just stupid, but I'm inclined to believe the latter now.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

You're hilarious. Are you ok lol??? You seem to have conveniently left out the other key word in my post. EDITORIAL. If you don't know what that is, then I suggest you look that up. At first I wasn't sure if you were trolling me or if you were just stupid, but I'm inclined to believe the latter now.

Ok, we'll pretend that because it's an editorial that falsifies the statement that was taken from his girlfriend, because that totally is what an editorial is right?

Yeah, I'm stupid and you aren't.

 

[Heads447]

Yeah, I'm stupid and you aren't.

I'm glad we can finally agree on something