Virgin Birth

[the_wippit]

u said they all would have kown in a small community? mary and joseph were married before, and it would be normal for them to have sex, back then they didnt talk about who did who

 

[billabong69]

This Makes me laugh anytime someone speaks of jesus because of that, How could 'Mary' the 'Holy' Mother have had a kid if she was a virgin its Scientifically Impossible
Thats like me Screwing a Girl getting her pregnant Telling EVERYONE she was touched by an angel and is still a virgin Sad Is What It IS.

There's absolutely no scientific proof that says it's impossible to have a virgin birth. Get your facts right.

 

[Looming]

There's absolutely no scientific proof that says it's impossible to have a virgin birth. Get your facts right.

You can't scientifically disprove something.

 

[RiP CiTy]

And how was Judaism dieing? Just because you use big words it dosent mean they have to make sense.

How does it not make sense? There was a whole documentary on Judaism's gradual dying on the History channel [yayayaya ]. For the most part, it's just become a culture and an identity for the Jewish people. Only the few Rabbi's and the Orthodox Jew's still remain faithful to the religion with, maybe, a small minority of the rest.

Theres also no proof that Jesus ever existed in the first place, so you can't really discredit those claims either.

Ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? That's hard evidence, proof, historical documentation, blah blah blah of the existence of Jesus. Now where's the proof of Jesus' seven brothers?

 

[dpunk]

Ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? That's hard evidence, proof, historical documentation, blah blah blah of the existence of Jesus. Now where's the proof of Jesus' seven brothers?

I fail to see how they provide documentation, as far as I ever heard the only Christian documents in there were excerpts from Mark that were so illegible there was only 1 complete Greek word.

 

[RiP CiTy]

I fail to see how they provide documentation, as far as I ever heard the only Christian documents in there were excerpts from Mark that were so illegible there was only 1 complete Greek word.

You're way off. Just way off. So far off, just go. Please, for the sake of saving face, go.

 

[dpunk]

You're way off. Just way off. So far off, just go. Please, for the sake of saving face, go.

No one cares if you don't prove it wrong.

 

[RiP CiTy]

No one cares if you don't prove it wrong.

Omfg, ridiculous. You're so unbelievably stupid.

Listen, type "Dead Sea Scrolls" in Google and the search engine will prove you wrong.

 

[dpunk]

Omfg, ridiculous. You're so unbelievably stupid.

Listen, type "Dead Sea Scrolls" in Google and the search engine will prove you wrong.

Found not much. Can't find much on the Christian aspect of it other than it talking about a guy called "The righteous one", not really sure if it's referring to Jesus or not since he was supposedly followed by the "Essenes", who were some Jewish sect.

This looks something like what I had heard in the past:

Christian connections

Spanish Jesuit José O'Callaghan has argued that one fragment (7Q5) is a New Testament text from the Gospel of Mark, chapter 6, verses 52–53. In recent years this controversial assertion has been taken up again by German scholar Carsten Peter Thiede. A successful identification of this fragment as a passage from Mark would make it the earliest extant New Testament document, dating somewhere between A.D. 30 and 60. Opponents consider that the fragment is tiny and requires so much reconstruction (the only complete word in Greek is "και" = "and") that it could have come from a text other than Mark.

Robert Eisenman advanced the theory that some scrolls actually describe the early Christian community, characterized as more fundamentalist and rigid than the one portrayed by the New Testament. Eisenman also attempted to relate the career of James the Just and the Apostle Paul / Saul of Tarsus to some of these documents.

Any other sources that prove your point more? Proof would be much better support than "You're so unbelievably stupid."

 

[RiP CiTy]

Found not much. Can't find much on the Christian aspect of it other than it talking about a guy called "The righteous one", not really sure if it's referring to Jesus or not since he was supposedly followed by the "Essenes", who were some Jewish sect.

This looks something like what I had heard in the past:



Any other sources that prove your point more? Proof would be much better support than "You're so unbelievably stupid."

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? You are denying the existence of Jesus. One second please..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls

That's more info on the scrolls. Just by taking a quick look at the pic, you can obviously tell there's more than one letter. And it wasn't written in Greek.

I'll reply to your reply probably tomorrow; doing 19399399 MM's at once.

 

[dpunk]

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? You are denying the existence of Jesus. One second please..

That fails to serve as evidence for his existence. The only reason it sounds so silly to question the existence of Jesus is because no one really pays attention to the fact there is little to no evidence for his existence that isn't highly disputed. Ever heard of Mithraism? No one believes in Mithra, but if you read about it, Mithraism is an older parallel of Christianity. They don't talk about that in the church, and with good reason it seems.

That's more info on the scrolls. Just by taking a quick look at the pic, you can obviously tell there's more than one letter. And it wasn't written in Greek.

It doesn't say that the whole scroll is one letter, just the part that is supposedly from the book of Mark. I read some of the stuff, but a lot of it is just Jewish shit that I could care less for. I also didn't say the whole thing was in Greek, just obviously the section which was supposedly Mark.

 

[RiP CiTy]

That fails to serve as evidence for his existence. The only reason it sounds so silly to question the existence of Jesus is because no one really pays attention to the fact there is little to no evidence for his existence that isn't highly disputed. Ever heard of Mithraism? No one believes in Mithra, but if you read about it, Mithraism is an older parallel of Christianity. They don't talk about that in the church, and with good reason it seems.



It doesn't say that the whole scroll is one letter, just the part that is supposedly from the book of Mark. I read some of the stuff, but a lot of it is just Jewish shit that I could care less for. I also didn't say the whole thing was in Greek, just obviously the section which was supposedly Mark.

AHAHHDHDHRH383883383HHHHFRUSTRATION

okay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

there's even a section for you towards the bottom.

 

[billabong69]

You can't scientifically disprove something.

But you can scientifically prove that somethings impossible to do.

 

[darkr9583]

But you can scientifically prove that somethings impossible to do.

BULL SHIT WITH GOD ANY THING IS POSSIBLE IT DOSENT MATTER IF ITS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN GOD CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS !!! AND RIP CITY IS RIGHT D PUNK YOUR WAY OUT OF LINE READ THE BIBLE SOME TIME HUH?

 

[billabong69]

Dude calm down, I'm on your side and please don't act like an idiot.

 

[monga]

yep..

Stop spamming.

 

[billabong69]

Well guess what you just did?

Back on topic now.

 

[kingofzeworld]

Are you kidding me? You don't know what to believe because of this? First of all, this obviously came from the mouth of a Jew throwing a desperation fairytale in the air as an attempt to rescue his dying religion. Second, 90% of this entire thing is bullshit. There's no proof, facts, or evidence that Jesus had 7 brothers, was born in Galilee, blah blah blah. This is just a lame attempt at rescuing a once religious ethnicity that has gradually turned into an ethnicity based solely around their past traditions and culture.

Zing!

And as for Paladen... Wow, do you believe everything you read?

 

[dpunk]

AHAHHDHDHRH383883383HHHHFRUSTRATION

okay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

there's even a section for you towards the bottom.

lol mines better.

http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm

BULL SHIT WITH GOD ANY THING IS POSSIBLE IT DOSENT MATTER IF ITS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN GOD CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS !!! AND RIP CITY IS RIGHT D PUNK YOUR WAY OUT OF LINE READ THE BIBLE SOME TIME HUH?

1.Quit posting in caps it's kind of rude.
2.You presuppose that God exists when asked for proof he exists, which is backwards logic.
3.You cite the Bible when if you had actually read it you would agree that it is just a sewer of contradictions, falsehoods, and myth.

Thank you very much, now run along and learn how to debate properly.

 

[RiP CiTy]

lol mines better.

http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm



1.Quit posting in caps it's kind of rude.
2.You presuppose that God exists when asked for proof he exists, which is backwards logic.
3.You cite the Bible when if you had actually read it you would agree that it is just a sewer of contradictions, falsehoods, and myth.

Thank you very much, now run along and learn how to debate properly.

From what little I've read from that site, it just seems as if some guy is trying to use logic and reasoning, to no avail, to back up his opinion.

And about your number three, you don't know enough about the Bible to judge it in that typical atheist manner. The Bible is not full of contradicitons, myths, etc. The Bible is the most dense book you'll ever come across. There's so much meaning and symbolism behind each and every single paragraph, sentence, word, and character that it'll blow your mind. If you've taken AP English and studied the types of american literature (naturalist, modernist, post-modern, etc) you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. What seems like a bunch of contradictions is just the surface; you need to explore and search deeper than just what's thrown at you.

Here's another example to try to prove my point..

Idk if you listen to rap or not, but that white girl remix song by Young Jeezy, Lil Wayne, and USDA is not actually a song about how much they like white girls. They're rapping about cocaine. Ask any black kid that smokes weed if they've ever done cocaine and they'd reply with, "Hell no, I've never cheat on Mary with that white bitch." Mary = marijuana... white bitch= cocaine. Same with weezy's song prostitute flange.