The thread disproves god entirely

[ob666]

i agree there is noi god but in a less philosophical way, in other words use common sense, do you honestly believe theres a magical little man in space some where controlling everything? do you honestly believe we were made by a mystic being, like a child molds play dough? how can one stick up for this magical man anyways... dorito "He allows evil, because of just that, we are free willed beings. We make the choices, we make the decisions, he willed us to be free in our choices, therefore, he will not stop us, because then, we wouldn't have free will."

lol please theres no such thing as good and evil, just human nature....

 

[dpunk]

For one, stop using, perfect means complete, need nothing, because in this thread you have probably used it over 50 times, and you say it whenever you get backed into a corner. And because, that isn't the full definition. The full definition is excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement, there are also many other definitions.

Gah, whatever. I'm not going to argue with you over something as trivial as a definition. You have yours, and I'll have mine.

See, pefect does not mean one can do anything, nor that he can't do anything. Perfect, is a state of being, I could say a fork is perfect for eating things with, and, by all means, it could be called perfect, and it wouldn't be a false statement. Perfect, is exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose. And God does just that.

So you're saying God is perfect for what he does? Perfect as in, perfect for sitting around and evidently doing nothing while millions of people die on the streets? Perfect for leaving it to question whether he even exists or not?

God is perfect, and he didn't make imperfect people. God gave us free will, we can do whatever we want with it. God, will not interfere when we have a war, or a fight, or spill juice on ourselves. He made a perfect world, and perfect humans, but when we disobey God, when we think we know what's best for us rather than Him, that is when we are imperfect.

If God won't interfere now, why did he supposedly do it back in Biblical times? Are we not as special? He won and lost wars for the Israelites, why not us? Also, how can we have free will if the Bible says that God planned out each one of our days before we were even born? God isn't really letting us have free will if he chose what we would do in the first place isn't he?

You said, well, isn't God somewhat responsible for the creation of evil, no, because evil was never created, evil is simply the absence from when God is not present in a situation. He allows evil, because of just that, we are free willed beings. We make the choices, we make the decisions, he willed us to be free in our choices, therefore, he will not stop us, because then, we wouldn't have free will.

So if there is evil wherever God is not, then doesn't God have ultimate control over where evil is? If evil is over at point A, and God is over at point B, could God not also put himself in point A and stop the evil?

 

[the_wippit]

ok then if there is no God or anything like it and were all just monkies/bacteria then why do we feel guilt? why is it sad to see incosents suffer? why is it we cry when someone close ot us die? where do all of our emotions that we feel come from? did they evolve too? or do monkies have them too -.- (as for all the scientifical stuff im 13 and im not goan go there cause u cant prove/disprove anythign with science, im sticking to the basics)

edit:also as slave said in another thread then prove ghosts? and spirits and al lthat, theyre are many many accounts and even evidence of them...

 

[Phil Yeah]

How can you disprove something you don't understand?

 

[the_wippit]

How can you disprove something you don't understand?

ownt....

 

[dpunk]

ok then if there is no God or anything like it and were all just monkies/bacteria then why do we feel guilt? why is it sad to see incosents suffer? why is it we cry when someone close ot us die? where do all of our emotions that we feel come from? did they evolve too? or do monkies have them too -.- (as for all the scientifical stuff im 13 and im not goan go there cause u cant prove/disprove anythign with science, im sticking to the basics)

edit:also as slave said in another thread then prove ghosts? and spirits and al lthat, theyre are many many accounts and even evidence of them...

As I already stated once before, your emotions come from the levels of certain chemicals in your brain. When someone close died to you, the dopamine levels in your brain drop dramatically, causing you to lose ability to feel pleasure for the time being. Also, knowing that they are gone and won't be with you anymore gives you a feeling of uncertainty, and you sometimes break down over it wondering how you will live life without them. You feel guilt because it is sociologically installed into you. You would feel guilty of you killed someone correct? But if you had been born into a society where killing others was an everyday thing, you wouldn't feel guilt about it.

 

[the_wippit]

As I already stated once before, your emotions come from the levels of certain chemicals in your brain. When someone close died to you, the dopamine levels in your brain drop dramatically, causing you to lose ability to feel pleasure for the time being. Also, knowing that they are gone and won't be with you anymore gives you a feeling of uncertainty, and you sometimes break down over it wondering how you will live life without them. You feel guilt because it is sociologically installed into you. You would feel guilty of you killed someone correct? But if you had been born into a society where killing others was an everyday thing, you wouldn't feel guilt about it.

ok, so wat makes the dopamine in ur brain drop? how does it know that someone died? its cuase ur sad at lsoing someone, where if there wasnt a God, then it would matter?
and also what do u mean its installed into you? well of course it is, God put it there, nothing else could have, so ur saying when the body sees something that isnt an everyday thing it feels sad? or that it feels sad becuase it was told that it was sad? well who told the first person it was sad?

 

[dpunk]

ok, so wat makes the dopamine in ur brain drop? how does it know that someone died? its cuase ur sad at lsoing someone, where if there wasnt a God, then it would matter?

The dopamine levels in your brain are caused by you doing things that give you pleasure. When you do things that don't give you pleasure, it drops. Dopamine is the chemical that makes you feel good.

and also what do u mean its installed into you? well of course it is, God put it there, nothing else could have, so ur saying when the body sees something that isnt an everyday thing it feels sad? or that it feels sad becuase it was told that it was sad? well who told the first person it was sad?

I said sociologically installed. Quit reading between the lines. By that, I mean that society has put it there. You obviously have no understanding of the point I was trying to make. The reason that you feel sad is because your brain is in distress. this distress causes an alteration in the chemicals in your brain, which gives you the feeling of displeasure known as being sad.

 

[Dorito]

Gah, whatever. I'm not going to argue with you over something as trivial as a definition. You have yours, and I'll have mine.



So you're saying God is perfect for what he does? Perfect as in, perfect for sitting around and evidently doing nothing while millions of people die on the streets? Perfect for leaving it to question whether he even exists or not?



If God won't interfere now, why did he supposedly do it back in Biblical times? Are we not as special? He won and lost wars for the Israelites, why not us? Also, how can we have free will if the Bible says that God planned out each one of our days before we were even born? God isn't really letting us have free will if he chose what we would do in the first place isn't he?



So if there is evil wherever God is not, then doesn't God have ultimate control over where evil is? If evil is over at point A, and God is over at point B, could God not also put himself in point A and stop the evil?

God cannot put himself over at point A to stop the evil, because the people block him out, and do not want him, if God forced his presence on us, once again, that would be taking away our free will, our choice of him not being in our lives, just like you have made the choice to not believe there is a God, so I have made to believe there is one.

God planned out our days, God sees all, past, present and future. He doesn't chose what we do, He knows what we will do. He knows when one will turn away and one will open up to Him. He has a plan for everyone, it's our decision whether to follow the calling or ignore it, and live life just to make sure we have a good time.

 

[the_wippit]

The dopamine levels in your brain are caused by you doing things that give you pleasure. When you do things that don't give you pleasure, it drops. Dopamine is the chemical that makes you feel good.



I said sociologically installed. Quit reading between the lines. By that, I mean that society has put it there. You obviously have no understanding of the point I was trying to make. The reason that you feel sad is because your brain is in distress. this distress causes an alteration in the chemicals in your brain, which gives you the feeling of displeasure known as being sad.

im sry, i wasnt reading between the lines, i honestly had no idea what it ment. ok back to the point, ur right that by doing things it changes ur dopamine levels, but when seomone dies u dont do anything? it emotioanly disterbs u that a soul was lost... and thats true to some dagree, but its not true with guilt, when i did something that i didnt think was wrong and later found out that it was i felt really guilty even though i didnt even no that it was wrong..

(also fro ur argument with dorito, God is everywhere, he is in point A and B, but he allows evil to exist where he is becuase he wont interfere with our free will, he is everywhere in all of us its up to us to embrase him..)

 

[Dorito]

Yes, wippit, He is everywhere, but for the sake of the argument, and for the sake of dpunk's, I tried to make it easier on himself. God is everywhere, but if we shut him out, he isn't there in our hearts.

 

[the_wippit]

Yes, wippit, He is everywhere, but for the sake of the argument, and for the sake of dpunk's, I tried to make it easier on himself. God is everywhere, but if we shut him out, he isn't there in our hearts.

yeah, i just wanted to clear that up, thanks (for dpunks sake)

 

[dpunk]

God cannot put himself over at point A to stop the evil, because the people block him out, and do not want him, if God forced his presence on us, once again, that would be taking away our free will, our choice of him not being in our lives, just like you have made the choice to not believe there is a God, so I have made to believe there is one.

Hmm but what if God was to make himself more apparent to them? The only reason I can see that people "block God out" is because they realize he's imaginary. If God was to give more evidence of his existence, it wouldn't be impeding our free will. More would believe, and in turn they would turn away from their evil actions. Why doesn't he do that?

God planned out our days, God sees all, past, present and future. He doesn't chose what we do, He knows what we will do. He knows when one will turn away and one will open up to Him. He has a plan for everyone, it's our decision whether to follow the calling or ignore it, and live life just to make sure we have a good time.

But God must have known when he created me what amount of evidence my brain would require to believe in him, and must also have known that it would not be provided. In my mind that would make God the ultimate cause of my disbelief. If he had chose to make me with a mind that would believe any bullshit it was told without questioning it, I would most likely be a Christian still.

im sry, i wasnt reading between the lines, i honestly had no idea what it ment. ok back to the point, ur right that by doing things it changes ur dopamine levels, but when seomone dies u dont do anything? it emotioanly disterbs u that a soul was lost... and thats true to some dagree, but its not true with guilt, when i did something that i didnt think was wrong and later found out that it was i felt really guilty even though i didnt even no that it was wrong..

But how did you find out that it was "wrong"? Someone else must have told you or you would have figured it out by some other outside source. If nothing had interfered and told you it was wrong you would have felt no guilt.

(also fro ur argument with dorito, God is everywhere, he is in point A and B, but he allows evil to exist where he is becuase he wont interfere with our free will, he is everywhere in all of us its up to us to embrase him..)

That kind of contradicts what Dorito said. Either God is everywhere or he isn't, pick one.

 

[the_wippit]

no i mean before anyone told me it was wrong i felt guilty/firty if u know what i mean...and God is everywhere as dorito agreed above, he was just saying that some ppl choose not to embrase God, so although hes in you, he doesnt shine through...

 

[DarkSpark]

Philosophy cannot be used to prove or disprove the existance of god. When it comes down to it the only thing that can PROVE gods existance, or lack thereof, is scientific evidence. And there is no REAL evidence of god being real or not... So basically all this thread disproved was the belief that you once had a usable brain.

 

[Dorito]

Hmm but what if God was to make himself more apparent to them? The only reason I can see that people "block God out" is because they realize he's imaginary. If God was to give more evidence of his existence, it wouldn't be impeding our free will. More would believe, and in turn they would turn away from their evil actions. Why doesn't he do that?



But God must have known when he created me what amount of evidence my brain would require to believe in him, and must also have known that it would not be provided. In my mind that would make God the ultimate cause of my disbelief. If he had chose to make me with a mind that would believe any bullshit it was told without questioning it, I would most likely be a Christian still.



But how did you find out that it was "wrong"? Someone else must have told you or you would have figured it out by some other outside source. If nothing had interfered and told you it was wrong you would have felt no guilt.



That kind of contradicts what Dorito said. Either God is everywhere or he isn't, pick one.

I'll clear up the God is everywhere yet isn't thing. I'll use a simple example. Air, we need air to live, air is everywhere, like God is everywhere, yet, we can choose not to breath, or in this case, choose to not believe in God or open up to Him. Then, if we don't get air, we die, in this case, the affect would be evil becomes of it. Although not the best example, I think you'll see my point. Just because we don't breath and die, doesn't mean air isn't all around us, it just means, we choose, by our free will, to not breath.

God does show Himself, all the time, it's just, if you aren't looking, you won't see it. There are people who have been told they only have a few hours left to live, or that, they will never recover. Yet, they do, by all science, no matter how you look at it, they say it's impossible, yet, a miracle happened, and, science cannot proove it. Are you saying that, that was not real? That there has to be a reason to why the person got better and survived, even though all the docters, all the tests, everything known to them told them he would die? Well maybe that's how God is, we don't know, and we never will, but does that mean He doesn't exist? You tell me.

 

[the_wippit]

whoa...dorito has a crazey way of explaining things...even i got that...

 

[mcnuggetman]

you cant prove or disprove god so just get over yourself

he just did with his copy and pasted stuff

 

[the_wippit]

he didnt prove anything lol, he had a few good points, but no proff...

 

[ad0beaddict]

I love how something thats completely impossible to prove and nearly everyone knows it is still trying to be disproved i give these people credit but this article is completely biased and is only directed to one out of millions of religions. It's too general and unspecific.