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    Ok, I have been interested in this quite a bit and looked around at information on the holocaust. Here is 65 facts you should review before calling me racist or disrespectful. The main point I want to get accross is that the holocaust was highly exagerated and shrowded in lies.


    Ok, to be honest being a satanist and involved in many beileifs contrary that of most people, the points are slighly buyast in the way they are written. They still contain all facts. Please discuss and look around/your your personal knowledge in order to help us all :) Thanks.

    For much more detailed anaylisis of the points go to http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/debatetoc.html
     
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    Oh Lord! Son, the Holocaust is a scapegoat for a lot of things by a lot of Jews, but those "facts" are bullshit. There are remains of the type you specified, in museums in Poland, the ruins of Auschwitz are still there, and for God's sakes, there are numerous documents from inside the SS.

    After it stated that there was no proof, I began to laugh, and didn't read the rest.


    Look, here's the cold hard facts:
    1. The Holocaust happened
    2. It was not your fault
    3. You should not feel bad
    4. It was not a white crime
    5. It was not a German crime
    6. It was not a Nazi crime
    7. It was an SS crime
    8. Never apologise for it
    9. Never take responsibility -- it was not your fault!
    10. If a Jew ever claims to be suffering through it's effects, he is a lying cunt. He's out to do nothing more than enrich his own life through exploiting the suffering of his parents/grandparents.
     
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    Point 10 is pretty much a main point i coverd, and I suggest you read all of it.
     
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    I have always claimed that less than 600.000 jews were actully killed, but with no evidence or facts to back me up. At the bottom line who estimated these deaths? The allies did, and why the hell should they not add tons of deaths to that number? Adding more deaths to it would naturally strengthen the worlds empathy for the jews, and as a result of that they might be given a country without recistance.

    "What is the difference if six million or 300,000 Jews died during the Second World War?
    5,700,000."

    LOL. LOL. LOL. LOL.

    I dont know if I believe in the antigassing facts, but it kind of softs it all out.
    I have always hated Hitler after having had this dream many years ago.
    I was a nonjew prisoner waiting in a cold room filled with half naked white skinny people, and every 15 minuts guards would come and pull out a person and that person I never saw again. Left was me and a couple of other kids, we all begged the guard to save us and he did and we ran like hell out of a fortress kind of place, filled with heavy armed nazi soldiers guarding from the top of every part of the fortress. We got out though.

    At least I did....

    As crazy as the dream may sound, I woke up that day not knowing what it was actully about. As I grew I realised that it was about WW2, and that made me hate and disgust Hitler. I feel like having gone through the worst of what the jews had to go through, and that has given me alot of empathy for those who died, (if it actully took place).

    Nicely found though, and I´ll make shure my teacher, mom, dad and friends will hear this.
     
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    Heinrich Heimler and Adolf Hitlet were trying to save us all from the jews. About your dream, thats what the media is force-feeding kids these days to get us scared and to feel sorry for them.
     
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    Read the very first part of my comment again, I just edited it.

    No undtil that point I had never ever heard of world war 2, and at that time I did not live in the west, so I could not have bin fet with the bullshit at such an early age. The dream actully didnt take place 'many' years ago, it took place when I was 9 lol.
     
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    Oh well then that was verry interesting. Thinking logically there would be no way for you to have those thoughts spinning round your head, unless there was some reference to it. Anyway i dont know about the dream but I hope you got alot of good arguments for people that think its 6m jews and another 5m gypsies and homosexuals (Rofl thats what my school says)
     
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    You see thats the thing in the west. They only tell their side of the story regarding every single subject. The call people terrorist without knowing their ideologi, they state palestinians suicide bombers to be terrorists without, saying why they do what they do, And I could continue for ever with examples... In the west only 1 side of the west exist u see.
     
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    To be fair, Adolf Hitler was never proved to be anything more than a megalomaniac. Himmler, on the other hand, was involved in the Final Solution beyond all doubt.
     
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    Hey, im pretty open minded, i understand that the points are buyast and not sensitive to the hardship of the jewish people at the time. I still think, looking at the points and the evidence on the link that I have a pretty strong argument.

    40. Some Jewish “death camp” survivors say they saw bodies being dumped into pits and burned. How much fuel would have been required for this?
    A great deal more than the Germans had access to, as there was a substantial fuel shortage during the war.

    41. Can bodies be burned in pits?
    No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by flames in this manner because of lack of oxygen.

    Theres two of the points, you can find your own evidence easily that supports these.



    To be honest Himmler is still supported to this day for his work, He just rounded up the jews and made them work sepperatly to stop them causing any trouble. The jews were seen to be a threat to germany as Judea had officially declared war on germany previously. Technically they were just defending their country.
     
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    Which is why the Russians found them when they began pushing for Berlin. Learn your history.

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    29. Was this product suitable for mass extermination?
    No. If the Nazis had intended to use poison gas to exterminate people, far more efficient products were available. Zyklon is a slow-acting fumigation agent.

    You're kidding right? Zyklon B is extremely fast-acting -- the Nazi documents from the time say it took from 10 to 30 minutes to act, and up to 4 hours for the gas to completely evacuate the area.
     
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    Who the hell let you into Something For All?
     
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    I have considerd that, and to be honest thats all that they were, somone admitting to it "under pressure"

    The story of the Six Million was given judicial authority at the Nuremberg Trials of German leaders between 1945 and 1949, proceedings which proved to be the most disgraceful legal farce in history. For a far more detailed study of the iniquities of these trials, which as Field Marshal Montgomery said, made it a crime to lose a war, the reader is referred to the works cited below, and particulary to the outstanding book Advance to Barbarism (Nelson, 1953), by the distinguished English jurist, F. J. P. Veale. From the very outset, the Nuremberg Trials proceeded on the basis of gross statistical errors. In his speech of indictment on November 20th, 1945, Mr. Sidney Alderman declared that there had been 9,600,000 Jews living in German occupied Europe. Our earlier study has shown this figure to be wildly inaccurate. It is arrived at (a) by completely ignoring all Jewish emigration between 1933 and 1945, and (b) by adding all the Jews of Russia, including the two million or more who were never in German-occupied territory. The same inflated figure, slightly enlarged to 9,800,000, was produced again at the Eichmann Trial in Israel by Prof. Shalom Baron. The alleged Six Million victims first appeared as the foundation for the prosecution at Nuremberg, and after some dalliance with ten million or more by the Press at the time, it eventually gained international popularity and acceptance. It is very significant, however, that, although this outlandish figure was able to win credence in the reckless atmosphere of recrimination in 1945, it had become no longer tenable by 1961, at the Eichmann Trial. The Jerusalem court studiously avoided mentioning the figure of Six Million, and the charge drawn up by Mr. Gideon Haussner simply said "some" millions.

    "Torture was used in the trials"

    Altogether more disturbing, however, were the methods employed to extract statements and "confessions" at Nuremberg, particularly those from S.S. officers which were used to support the extermination charge. The American Senator, Joseph McCarthy, in a statement given to the American Press on May 20th, 1949, drew attention to the following cases of torture to secure such confessions. In the prison of the Swabisch Hall, he stated, officers of the S.S. Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler were flogged until they were soaked in blood, after which their sexual organs were trampled on as they lay prostrate on the ground. As in the notorious Malmedy Trials of private soldiers, the prisoners were hoisted in the air and beaten until they signed the confessions demanded of them. On the basis of such "confessions" extorted from S.S. Generals Sepp Dietrich and Joachim Paiper, the Leibstandarte was convicted as a "guilty organisation". S.S. General Oswald Pohl, the economic administrator of the concentration camp system, had his face smeared with faeces and was subsequently beaten until he supplied his confession. In dealing with these cases, Senator McCarthy told the Press: "I have heard evidence and read documentary proofs to the effect that the accused persons were beaten up, maltreated and physically tortured by methods which could only be conceived in sick brains. They were subjected to mock trials and pretended executions, they were told their families would be deprived of their ration cards. All these things were carried out with the approval of the Public Prosecutor in order to secure the psychological atmosphere necessary for the extortion of the required confessions. If the United States lets such acts committed by a few people go unpunished, then the whole world can rightly criticise us severely and forever doubt the correctness of our motives and our moral integrity." The methods of intimidation described were repeated during trials at Frankfurt-am-Mein and at Dachau, and large numbers of Germans were convicted for atrocities on the basis of their admissions. The American Judge Edward L. van Roden, one of the three members of the Simpson Army Commission which was subsequently appointed to investigate the methods of justice at the Dachau trials, revealed the methods by which these admissions were secured in the Washington Daily News, January 9th, 1949. His account also appeared in the British newspaper, the Sunday Pictorial, January 23rd, 1949. The methods he described were: "Posturing as priests to hear confessions and give absolution; torture with burning matches driven under the prisoners finger-nails; knocking out of teeth and breaking jaws; solitary confinement and near starvation rations." Van Roden explained: "The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months ... The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses ... All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators." The "American" investigators responsible (and who later functioned as the prosecution in the trials) were: Lt.-Col. Burton F. Ellis (chief of the War Crimes Committee) and his assistants, Capt. Raphael Shumacker, Lt. Robert E. Byrne, Lt. William R. Perl, Mr. Morris Ellowitz, Mr. Harry Thon, and Mr. Kirschbaum. The legal adviser of the court was Col. A. H. Rosenfeld. The reader will immediately appreciate from their names that the majority of these people were "biased on racial grounds" in the words of Justice Wenersturm -- that is, were Jewish, and therefore should never have been involved in any such investigation. Despite the fact that "confessions" pertaining to the extemination of the Jews were extracted under these conditions, Nuremberg statements are still regarded as conclusive evidence for the Six Million by writers like Reitlinger and others, and the illusion is maintained that the Trials were both impartial and impeccably fair. When General Taylor, the Chief Public Prosecutor, was asked where he had obtained the figure of the Six Million, he replied that it was based on the confession of S.S. General Otto Ohlendorf. He, too, was tortured and his case is examined below. But as far as such "confessions" in general are concerned, we can do no better than quote the British Sunday Pictorial when reviewing the report of Judge van Roden: "Strong men were reduced to broken wrecks ready to mumble any admission demanded by their prosecutors."

    Darby, Zyklon B is not a fast acting gas. You are wrong. The amount of Zyklon B used at the so-called “extermination” camps was no more or less than the other concentration camps. Cremation in 20 minutes is impossible. Germany wouldn’t be able to provide the coke for the crematoria for the number claimed.
     
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    Yeh to save their own asses from being shot.
     
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    Thanks krypton.

    You even say "the casualties" not the "murderd" or "gassed"

    There were many casualties in the war and it doesnt mean they were all killed in gas chambers.
     
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    My grandfather was a holocaust survivor so I'll stay out of this discussion because my views are biased.

    The holocaust was not that long ago, facts cannot be skewed that much in such a short time. Still, I agree with most of Darbysniper's views.
     
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    Ok well to be honest, it wasnt a long time ago from now. It is very shocking that "6m jews could be exterminated along with thousands more homosexuals and gypsies" without somebody doing something about it. It is shocking that even though it wasnt a long time ago at all, no 100% solid evidence remains that isnt shrowded in lies or irrefutable proof. Well thats what I think anyway.
     
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    Act of zionists if you ask me.
     
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    Bullshit, pure bullshit.

    No way the systematic mass murder of 6 million jews was "faked". Like Fin said, theres a conspiracy behind EVERY major event.
     
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