The only way it differs from Stui's investment is that Stui had an obligation to return the investment + a percentage, whereas your proposed investment service only offers the possibility for any return whatsoever.
Secondly, stui's investment service had an element of skill/work to it, whereas this is just mindless gambling - but that's not how it will be advertised. That's to say that the person offering the investment service, is choosing to stake your investment in a bid to increase your return, and gain profits at no risk of his own.
Stui's was guaranteed profit, with the risk of being scammed by him. He guaranteed interest, his method was secure. People "analyzed it". He bought and sold gold, there was no way he could not make a profit, unless Jagex started wiping or his account gets banned on Runescape. And that's why it's called an investment, in the event he does lose it, he still pays back, which he did! And the clients received an interest. It was secure because he was trusted, and his donor rank made people feel more secure.
This isn't an investment service for the last time. You are not getting the big picture of how investing differs from gambling.
It's often considered that the odds are in your favor when investing. Because the risk isn't 50/50, it's more secure, you think about how it leans more into your favor before actually investing money into it. You can't say the same about gambling, the odds are often against you, that's why it relies more on luck.
You ever heard the saying that gambling can be addictive and destructive? Once you're hooked, it's hard to get out. Gambling is the fast way to make or break. Investing isn't addictive, nor is it destructive. There will always be opportunities and choices for you to invest in other things, because your money doesn't go from 100 to 0 based on luck. You can back out half way through, you can cash out anytime (in some cases).
Gambling is entertainment, investing is business. You invest, as it's the safer method, to save up for something, maybe to retire. You don't gamble to achieve that.
And here's the biggest thing you need to understand. Investors are rise-averse. Gamblers are risk-seekers. Now do you see the difference? You keep saying that I'm trying to make it sound like this staking service is an investment, and I'm trying to make investment allowed on Sythe.
Anyone that uses this staking service would obviously be seeking risk, for greater reward. Anyone that avoids risk, has less rewards but at a less greater risk.
So let's get me trying to make investing acceptable off the table for once.
Let's say Stui's service was advertised differently, it was for people who couldn't flip GP. He would attempt to flip it for them, because they don't know how. If it didn't work, then he didn't have to give anything back.
This is exactly what you are proposing, if what he was doing before, with an obligation of return was banned, how can this be approved?
Here's Stui's
thread. If it was advertised differently, by not him giving the people anything back in the event he loses it, then it's a gamble people takes, not an investment. He offers a weekly/monthly interest, you can cash out
anytime, which makes it an investment. His service was safer and more secure, gold flipping was guaranteed profit every sale, with the risk of getting wiped. Once again, as I said above, this was way safer and that's why it's called an investment, people that used it were avoiding bigger risks for less reward. The only risks people took were stui getting wiped/cleaned, but he'd still be able to pay them back which, as far as I know, he did.
That is an investment, less risk involved.
So as you see, there is no risk for Dialatic (The staker) here. In the end, it comes down to the client taking the risk. If the client wins, I'm sure Dialatic would pay up, he did gain something after all. So the risks to consider are:
- Dialatic losing a stake
- Dialatic scamming
Now anyone that uses his service, are risk seekers. I doubt Dialatic would scam, so it's less of a risk for some people.
The reason why this could be better is people do not have access to a secure account (read first page, you can get booted off). Not everyone knows how to stake. Basically like a host hosting flower games (plants for you).
This is going to be advertised as skillful staking with 99% win chances, when really it's a gamble that anyone could do.
Where does it say this? You're the one that brought it up in the first place, no one said anything about this.
They'd be a tonne of people pretending they had good PID, or glitches for 100% win just to get people to invest in them.
Read through Dialatic's thread
here.
Since I'm maxed melee, the odds of me winning against most accounts is 50/50, and may even be more in your favor against the lower levels.
I have yet to see someone say that your odds of winning are 99%. Because that is stupid and anyone that believes that is as well. Didn't I tell you already, if there was such a glitch or way, the stakers would be doing it themselves. Sadly there isn't, and only a fool would believe there was. I think this is where you're getting "investing" mixed up. I'll say it now, it's not like this. The quote above this paragraph shows Dialatic informing the possible future clients of the risks and how your odds aren't as great as it is.
If you want to argue definitions, gambling and investment are essentially the same thing. However, a gamble is pure luck, whereas with investment you have reason to believe the odds are with you - as anyone investing into such a service would. It would be very naive to suggest that investment was only associated with stock markets.
Gave you the definition and differentiated them further in this post.
You invest into the person primarily because you feel that his gamble has a better chance than yours. What he is doing is not actually relevant.
Merching is investing, staking is gambling. As shown above, your odds are near 50/50. Dialatic said it himself.
Let's say, instead of staking the money, he was 'trying' to merchant, and if it didn't work he didn't have to give you anything back, he can show proof and all. What's the difference? Nothing.
Merching isn't staking. Merching is for the risk-averse, you'll see the value of the item(s) you merch don't go directly down to 0. Now do you see the difference? You can still cash out with a 5-10% loss, unless stated otherwise. So yes, there is a difference.
I didn't come onto this thread trying to challenge you, acting as if you had to agree with everything I said, you picked me out.
I picked you out because you're the only one that thinks gambling is exactly like investing. Then when I attempt to differentiate it for you, you go ahead and say I'm wrong, then you say that I am backing up investing? I was differentiating it for you the whole time, because you insisted it was like that.
I don't, and won't ever agree with this investment service and the likes of your ignorant self won't change that. Agree to disagree, whatever, I won't sit here trying to argue all day, personally insulting people over the internet, I have better things to do, and I don't feel the need to stoop to such a petty and childish level.
Hopefully the above has changed your mind about how it differs from an investment service. Insulting people? I had a feeling you were trolling me. You don't feel the need to stoop to a petty and childish level?
You think you didn't and I have? Did I go like this:
No you're wrong. I won't read your post, you're wrong and I'm right. You have given points, where I have not. But I am still right, regardless if I give points or not
You provoked me by "trolling" me? I honestly hope it was a troll. No one would agree with how you keep saying gambling and investing is the same.
You are clearly very, very upset over this, and that's why you cannot refrain from childish name calling. If anyone here looks stupid, it's the grown man that can't even debate without taking it personally. That's just low.
Honestly, you were either stupid or trolling. I'll say it straight up, as mature can be. Now you decide which you were. Think it out, I gave you the points on how they differ, all you did was disagree and call me wrong. If it was a troll then well done, you succeeded, you frustrated me.
Ask anyone in this thread, you have the completely wrong idea.
