Staking Services

Maybe there should be a requirement to hold such a service? In terms of vouches/community contribution or something? Just thinking outloud.

That wouldn't really be fair to be honest. I think they should just be extremely strict on what evidence needs to be showed after.

 

[Ganorak]

I absolutely agree, dicing is just like staking, and dicing threads are not terminated, so why shall staking threads be?

 

[Piramid]

middlemans not rolling for you.

Flower dueling? Most of the main clans do it, and the middleman "rolls" for both people

 

I think Apith summed it up quite nicely. I agree, staking services should be allowed - with strict rules.

 

[X6S]

I offer staking service in my flower clan .. What i do is tell them the rules as in if im glitched etc etc.. I record evry stake and evry trade, i then let them watch i trade back the winnings after evry stake.... I also talk with betters on skype usually. Also i only take 5% and thats if I win. It had hurdles to get it going but have made about 1.2b just taking 5% of winnings in flower clan
"Legit One".......... it does cause headaches though.

 

[Fendle]

You also never know if they are staking a friend or something and are loosing on purpose they should just be banned out right.

 

[X6S]

You also never know if they are staking a friend or something and are loosing on purpose they should just be banned out right.

Thats biased... staking is till 50/50 unless u pid which puts it 60/40... so even if staking a friend still same odds...
Unless u see some purpose misclicks.

 

[Apith]

Maybe there should be a requirement to hold such a service? In terms of vouches/community contribution or something? Just thinking outloud.

Won't be fair to others. That's like saying "Only people that's done $100+ trades can sell accounts". And no other services requires anything, in the end it's all the person going first's choice, whether he trusts them enough or not.

You also never know if they are staking a friend or something and are loosing on purpose they should just be banned out right.

As I said earlier, staking someone else you know can easily be caught. The biggest advantage you could give anyone is first hit, I wouldn't bother with it since people PIDs and uses that stalling glitch (Nothing serious). If their advantage goes any higher, like the staker stops attacking for 2-3 hits of any sort, then he would be held reliable for the loss.

Thats biased... staking is till 50/50 unless u pid which puts it 60/40... so even if staking a friend still same odds...
Unless u see some purpose misclicks.

Staking isn't 50/50. Never has been.

 

[X6S]

well its pid makes u have advantage that is it my friend unless u xlog or glitch.

 

[Got Weed]

The only thing that puts one person above another is the switching method. It's +3 whatever style you're using.

 

[FireZ]

The staff will discuss this at the next staff meeting and a thread in SL has been made.

 

Any update on this from the SL discussion so far?

 

[Acubs]

If you're going to ban staking services, you may as well ban:

-Any form of dicing advertising
-Questing services
-Power level services

-ANYTHING that requires you to trust another person (which is 99% of trades).

May as well just shut down sythe if you're going to ban services which require trust.

Investment banks should allowed, and REGULATED. For example, OMM/certain mods should be allowed to start investment banks.

 

[Farreh]

Agree with acubs.

 

[JamRsPins]

Definitely don't think this should be allowed. It's got scam haven written all over it, and because it's all based on luck, even people that don't go into it with scam intentions are gonna end up getting cleaned, and won't be able to repay. Isn't that what happened to Stui?

No support.

 

Definitely don't think this should be allowed. It's got scam haven written all over it, and because it's all based on luck, even people that don't go into it with scam intentions are gonna end up getting cleaned, and won't be able to repay. Isn't that what happened to Stui?

No support.

There is no promise of repay... If you lose, you don't pay back. That's where staking's different from investing.

 

If you're going to ban staking services, you may as well ban:

-Any form of dicing advertising
-Questing services
-Power level services

-ANYTHING that requires you to trust another person (which is 99% of trades).

May as well just shut down sythe if you're going to ban services which require trust.

Investment banks should allowed, and REGULATED. For example, OMM/certain mods should be allowed to start investment banks.

The difference between Questing, Pleveling and advertesing is the difference between tennis and mathematics.

 

[JamRsPins]

There is no promise of repay... If you lose, you don't pay back. That's where staking's different from investing.

Ahh. I see. I guess that actually makes it more interesting. The amount of proof needed would be extreme, and these people don't stake themselves because of PID or something?

Also it is an investment. You are investing your money into a person because you feel they have a higher chance of success, no? It differs from other forms of investment as there is no risk on the part of the person being invested into(the person offering the service), but it's still essentially exactly the same risk as those gp investers for the person giving the money. It's all down to the motive of the person offering the service. Sure, if they never lose, I'm sure they'd be less likely to scam.

The only difference is that it's a guaranteed method of making money for the person offering the service, they have no risk at all. They gamble other peoples money, risk-free.

They'd be a tonne of people pretending they had good PID, or glitches for 100% win just to get people to invest in them.

Also I think it relates to the rs guide sales rule that staking guides are only allowed to be sold if they are glitches. Or it should do anyway. You are effectively selling yourself as being able to win most stakes, presumably. If it's not by means of an unknown glitch, should it be allowed?

I guess I'm not against it in that case, but I don't really support it either. As of now this goes against a couple of the forum rules I believe.

 

[Acubs]

The difference between Questing, Pleveling and advertesing is the difference between tennis and mathematics.

I'm talking about having to trust somone. Regarding that, they're all the same. No one is going to trust their money with someone who they don't believe deserves their trust. I say, allow the members of sythe to chose for themselves whether or not they want to trust someone with money.

All you have to do it have someone take a video of wins/losses. You could even regulate (or let the investor choose) how high they can stake, betting methods, etc. It's really not that hard.

 

[Apith]

The difference between Questing, Pleveling and advertesing is the difference between tennis and mathematics.

Wrong. In questing a quester could just wipe the client's account, after getting paid (or even before), and when the client accuses him or puts more stuff in, the quester continues to do so. The client would not be able to provide any proof, it would be difficult to do so. So yes, it is similar. They all have a risk.

Ahh. I see. I guess that actually makes it more interesting. The amount of proof needed would be extreme, and these people don't stake themselves because of PID or something?

No, because not everyone has access to a maxed account. Read through the whole thread to see how someone can boot off a user from their account, that is way riskier. Not to mention it makes transferring easier and hassle free for the person using the service.

Also it is an investment. You are investing your money into a person because you feel they have a higher chance of success, no?

It's not an investment, it's a gamble. The stake is often close to 50/50 in most cases. Not sure where you're getting people have a higher chance of success when using another person's service. Unless, the client doesn't style switch, then that increases their chances a bit. But even then, 90% of the stakers you duel in the DA switches between styles, so it just evens the odds a bit.

It differs from other forms of investment as there is no risk on the part of the person being invested into(the person offering the service), but it's still essentially exactly the same risk as those gp investers for the person giving the money. It's all down to the motive of the person offering the service. Sure, if they never lose, I'm sure they'd be less likely to scam.

Read the above, it's not an investment. There is always a risk, and the stakes are around 50%. And as I said, not everyone knows how to style switch, nor does everyone do it. Not everyone has an access to a maxed account to box. It's riskier to rent.

The only difference is that it's a guaranteed method of making money for the person offering the service, they have no risk at all. They gamble other peoples money, risk-free.

With trust comes a price. It's up to the people to decide to use them or not, if you don't use them, then you're not affected. If this is coming from jealousy because of the easy money, think again as you don't always get stakes nor do you always win it.

They'd be a tonne of people pretending they had good PID, or glitches for 100% win just to get people to invest in them.

Where does anyone even say that? If the person is vidding...? You are bringing up no argument to the table at all. If the person doesn't want to believe they have good PID, they do boxing. Most of the stakes are boxes, and PID increases your chances of winning next to 0. Where are you getting glitches? If there's a glitch, only an idiot would believe a staker that there's a glitch, and expect free GP when the staker could do it himself. It's not a risk free investment, it's a gamble.

I'm not going to bother answering the last 2 paragraphs, look for the answer in this post.