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insausage68 said:
First off, Im not going to argue Christianity with you since I know what you responce will be anyway.
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I'm not arguing about Christianity. I want to know why you would believe in such a concept as God.
 
Shredderbeam said:
I'm not arguing about Christianity. I want to know why you would believe in such a concept as God.
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It's merely faith. I believe in him and the Bible. It isn't much more than that. There is nothing to explain. I wish I could, but I really can't over this board. And God isn't a concept, you are seriously thinking about it too hard. He is a being, not a statistic to be figured. He is, that's it. It takes faith to understand(partially understand) and faith to keep. Believe me, it would be easy to say "screw god, lets live life for the hell of it." That would save me a lot of time.
But, I believe in more than just this life. I believe in higher things not stuck to this earth. If everything that was on the world is all there was, how would that be enough? We can't be satisfied with worldliness, this is way to insufficent. We need more, otherwise, this world is worthless. Why would you want anything here? It will all be gone some day.
 
insausage68 said:
It's merely faith. I believe in him and the Bible. It isn't much more than that. There is nothing to explain. I wish I could, but I really can't over this board. And God isn't a concept, you are seriously thinking about it too hard. He is a being, not a statistic to be figured. He is, that's it. It takes faith to understand(partially understand) and faith to keep. Believe me, it would be easy to say "screw god, lets live life for the hell of it." That would save me a lot of time.
But, I believe in more than just this life. I believe in higher things not stuck to this earth. If everything that was on the world is all there was, how would that be enough? We can't be satisfied with worldliness, this is way to insufficent. We need more, otherwise, this world is worthless. Why would you want anything here? It will all be gone some day.
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Faith is an unjustified belief. You believe just because...you believe? Is that it? That's a little circular.

Don't get me wrong, I used to "just believe" the same way that you did. I had a completely unjustified belief in a deity that nobody could shake, regardless of what they said. Yet, looking back, I was being irrational.

Why do you believe in Christianity, and not Islam, or Jainism, or Hinduism?
 
Because Christianity is the only religion that supports God in the rightful place. It is the only religion that fully relies on the Bible. And it is the religion that makes the most sense to me.
 
insausage68 said:
Because Christianity is the only religion that supports God in the rightful place.
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Please explain.

insausage68 said:
It is the only religion that fully relies on the Bible.
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Islam is the only religion that relies fully upon the Koran.

insausage68 said:
And it is the religion that makes the most sense to me.
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Atheism makes the most sense to me, yet only one of us is right.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Please explain.



Islam is the only religion that relies fully upon the Koran.



Atheism makes the most sense to me, yet only one of us is right.
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1. Other religions have God in them, but not as creator and controler of everything. Others have God as just a bystander and not actually a controler. This isn't worded well at all. I really can't say why. There are so many religions out there that Im unaware of. Me explaining the reason I chose Christianity may be the same in many other religions. And honestly, I don't think me exdplaining it will really benefit the converasation. I enjoy discussing this, but I really don't want to go too far into it.(not enough red bull ;) )

2. This is true. I've nothing to argue with. I know what you are implying, and, again, it is faith that God is correct in the Bible and that the Koran is not entirely true in itself.

3. I can't make you change your view, that is your choice. You asked me for my view and I said it. I don't really have to be right. I know I am, and you know you are. We cannot disprove each other unless we dump our entire belief.
 
insausage68 said:
1. Other religions have God in them, but not as creator and controler of everything. Others have God as just a bystander and not actually a controler. This isn't worded well at all. I really can't say why. There are so many religions out there that Im unaware of. Me explaining the reason I chose Christianity may be the same in many other religions. I enjoy discussing this, but I really don't want to go too far into it.(not enough red bull ;) )
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You should research a few other religions. There are quite a few that have a God in charge of everything.

insausage68 said:
2. This is true. I've nothing to argue with. I know what you are implying, and, again, it is faith that God is correct in the Bible and that the Koran is not entirely true in itself.
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Then this particular aspect of your belief is irrational.

insausage68 said:
3. I can't make you change your view, that is your choice. You asked me for my view and I said it. I don't really have to be right. I know I am, and you know you are. We cannot disprove each other unless we dump our entire belief.
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It would be more correct to say "I believe I am, and you believe you are."

You have a belief without substantiation. This is irrational. It may be defensible through various ways and means, yet the ground belief itself is irrational.
 
. . . . . . . I am really getting tired of saying that neither of us can agree since we don't believe the same things. You think Im irrational, and I the same of you. We cannot reach anything since the entire discussion is an impass. I can't say anything at all that would change your opinion, because the obviousness that I see is irrational to you, and you think the same.

We cannot provide enough facts, truths or values that mean anything to each other. I hold nothing against your belief. I would hope you hold nothing against mine. But, for the purpose of typing to achieve nothing, lets leave this alone.
 
insausage68 said:
. . . . . . . I am really getting tired of saying that neither of us can agree since we don't believe the same things. You think Im irrational, and I the same of you. We cannot reach anything since the entire discussion is an impass. I can't say anything at all that would change your opinion, because the obviousness that I see is irrational to you, and you think the same.
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It has been logically shown how you are irrational. The only way you have attempted to show that I am irrational is by trying to undermine objective logic.
 
Alright, well, I tried explaing that you cant apply logic to spiritual aspects of life already. I've nothing to prove to you. I may have at somepoint when you seemed actually interested in the truth, but trying only to prove me wrong will never get you anywhere. You have to try to understand things before you can disprove them. Im aware you know that Im wrong logically. But you dont understand really. You only think you do.

Seriously, last post for this thread.....uselessness at its finest.
 
insausage68 said:
Alright, well, I tried explaing that you cant apply logic to spiritual aspects of life already. I've nothing to prove to you. I may have at somepoint when you seemed actually interested in the truth, but trying only to prove me wrong will never get you anywhere. You have to try to understand things before you can disprove them. Im aware you know that Im wrong logically. But you dont understand really. You only think you do.
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If you can't apply logic to it, then what use is it? How can you know about it at all?

I don't understand? Logically, what you believe is irrational. You might as well believe in Santa Claus, or the Smurfs! If you had some actual concrete reason to believe in a deity, then well and good, but you don't! You believe just because you have always believed!
 
I believe god is just a person to go along with christianity.

If no one ever said that there was a " god " people would not have accepted christianity in the first place.

I believe the same with all other religions, If you have no face to back up your religion people will not accept your religion.



But.. Thats just my opinion
 
insausage68 said:
Alright, well, I tried explaing that you cant apply logic to spiritual aspects of life already. I've nothing to prove to you. I may have at somepoint when you seemed actually interested in the truth, but trying only to prove me wrong will never get you anywhere. You have to try to understand things before you can disprove them. Im aware you know that Im wrong logically. But you dont understand really. You only think you do.

Seriously, last post for this thread.....uselessness at its finest.
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well spirits are not logical..or rational, because they are studied only with spectoral evidence... religion is driven by fear. read the Crucible, it's the story of the salem witch hunts......and overall, the most rational person in the story happened to be the one who didnt attend chruch anymore....
 
The_Phoenix_HalfBreed said:
well spirits are not logical..or rational, because they are studied only with spectoral evidence... religion is driven by fear. read the Crucible, it's the story of the salem witch hunts......and overall, the most rational person in the story happened to be the one who didnt attend chruch anymore....
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Read the Bible, that Jesus guy seemed to be pretty smart. :rolleyes:
 
insausage68 said:
Read the Bible, that Jesus guy seemed to be pretty smart. :rolleyes:
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If he existed, that is. There does seem to be a 40-year gap between the death of Jesus and the first writings on the subject.
 
insausage68 said:
Read the Bible, that Jesus guy seemed to be pretty smart. :rolleyes:
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Didn't appear to be that smart to me. Infact, he barely even talks, its mostly..*And he sayeth upon to thee lord. "I am but i humble servant". And the lord replied "I have none servants, you shall worship thow".*
 
insausage68 said:
It's merely faith. I believe in him and the Bible. It isn't much more than that. There is nothing to explain. I wish I could, but I really can't over this board. And God isn't a concept, you are seriously thinking about it too hard. He is a being, not a statistic to be figured. He is, that's it. It takes faith to understand(partially understand) and faith to keep. Believe me, it would be easy to say "screw god, lets live life for the hell of it." That would save me a lot of time.
But, I believe in more than just this life. I believe in higher things not stuck to this earth. If everything that was on the world is all there was, how would that be enough? We can't be satisfied with worldliness, this is way to insufficent. We need more, otherwise, this world is worthless. Why would you want anything here? It will all be gone some day.
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Faith is nothing less than deciding not to seek the truth.
its alot easier to just beleive something cos someone told you too then to actually think for yourself.

you have to realise that God is only a theory. a theory made up from people thousands of years ago that thought the world was flat. it makes you wonder how they would be able to explain the beggining of the universe. you should not take it as a given, yet as an idea.

what i like to ask religious people is that if god made the earth in 7 days, and didnt make the sun until like the third day, how did they measure a day before the sun? there are alot of flaw's in the bible, things that dont make sense. it has to make you question your beleive in the bible yeah?
 
I beleive there is a God, but I think that God doesn't want to prove his existanc ebecause that would defeat the purpose of having faith and beleiving in him.

If he appeared and flew around with angles, everyone would swarm to churches just to be saved.

Get what I mean?
Kinda?
Sorta?
No?
ok.
 
PorMan, YOu have to remember that people wrote the bible not God.

So maybe thos epeople got some of it wrong.

And if God knew he was going to make the SUn on the third day, he would have known what a day was
 
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