Question for Atheists

[dwarfzilla15]

Have you ever heard of a chi square? Scientists use it to determine whether or not the results of their experiment were affected by unknowns. It determines how close to your expected results your actual observed results are. If the number comes out high enough(less than a 5% chance) then it is assumed that there was an unaccounted for force acting on the experiment. However, it is perfectly possible for a perfect experiment to turn out a bad chi square number- that's the beauty of chance. So, basically, God has less than a 5% chance of existing, BUT that does not actually disprove his existence.

 

[Tgump]

Again, just because something is logically possible, do you make it part of your world view?

Anything is 'logically' possible. It's 'logically' possible that there exists a pink unicorn breed somewhere 100000 billion miles away that does not need oxygen to live. We know too little to say what is logically impossible at this point; I doubt there will ever be enough evidence to say so.

Just for the record, I still agree.

 

[Death's Shadow]

Many of you ask how a god cannot exist, but can you please show me some evidence of how a god cannot exist?

Thank you.

Ok, you're banned but anyway..

Can you prove that god DOES exist? And don't say "look around you".

Anyway, think of this;

You cant think of no up, no down, no left, no right, no light, no dark, nothing.

So, you cant have nothing exist, something HAS to exist. And the universe has probably been around since never - for all we know, it could be a dream. Then we wake up, never to remember it.

Meh, i dont make sense XD

 

[insausage68]

Ok, you're banned but anyway..

Can you prove that god DOES exist? And don't say "look around you".

Anyway, think of this;

You cant think of no up, no down, no left, no right, no light, no dark, nothing.

So, you cant have nothing exist, something HAS to exist. And the universe has probably been around since never - for all we know, it could be a dream. Then we wake up, never to remember it.

Meh, i dont make sense XD

No offence, but, just because you cant comprehend something, doesn't mean it isn't possiable.

 

[Shredderbeam]

No offence, but, just because you cant comprehend something, doesn't mean it isn't possiable.

What if something is logically impossible?

 

[insausage68]

What if something is logically impossible?

I said that it doesn't mean that, not that it wasn't possiable to find something logically impossible, I just said that you can't disprove anything because you can't understand it.

 

[Clashfan]

The God theists believe in is not bound by logic.

 

[Shredderbeam]

I said that it doesn't mean that, not that it wasn't possiable to find something logically impossible, I just said that you can't disprove anything because you can't understand it.

I fully understand that. Yet, think of a God who is omnipotent. Is not such a God logically impossible, for it cannot limit its own power?

 

[Clashfan]

I fully understand that. Yet, think of a God who is omnipotent. Is not such a God logically impossible, for it cannot limit its own power?

An omnipotent being would not be restricted by logic.

Omnipotence (literally, "all power") is power with no limits or inexhaustible, in other words, unlimited power.

Power with no limits can not, by definition, be limited by logic.

 

[insausage68]

I fully understand that. Yet, think of a God who is omnipotent. Is not such a God logically impossible, for it cannot limit its own power?

It is 110% logically impossible. However, God is God, and he himself is not logical. Logics is based on taming and understanding the physical, not the spiritual. I know, this provides little room for argument, but Im really tired of arguing. So, take it as you will, it's your choice.

 

[Shredderbeam]

An omnipotent being would not be restricted by logic.

Power with no limits can not, by definition, be limited by logic.

If God is omnipotent, and beyond logic, then you cannot assert that he exists, for this would be a limiting factor. What, then, is the use of debating his existence? By engaging in a debate you accept that reality and reason are absolute, but if you say that they are not, then you contradict yourself.

 

[Clashfan]

There is no point in debating his existence. The God theists believe in exists outside of our concept of reality.

 

[Shredderbeam]

There is no point in debating his existence. The God theists believe in exists outside of our concept of reality.

Then they are irrational, and we should not engage them in debate. Debate, and the attention that their side receives following it, is crucial to keeping a particular viewpoint alive and thriving.

 

[Clashfan]

I agree. They are irrational, and should not be engaged in debate. Why, then, are you debating them on this thread?

 

[Shredderbeam]

I agree. They are irrational, and should not be engaged in debate. Why, then, are you debating them on this thread?

It is possible to point out the flaws in their arguments. After they have been pointed out, if they still deny my conclusion that God does not exist, then at that point, it is pointless to debate them.

 

[insausage68]

It is possible to point out the flaws in their arguments. After they have been pointed out, if they still deny my conclusion that God does not exist, then at that point, it is pointless to debate them.

No, it isn't possible, there are none. You cannot express God through logic. As I've said in other threads, God made reality, he is above it and you cannot comprehend it.

I know you think this sounds crazy, because from where you stand, it's utterly rediculous, but from where I stand, yours is as well. In this, it is already pointless to debate, because it isnt debatable in the first place. We have contradictory views. Therefore, if we debate, we see thousands of flaws with each other. Over and over, neither of us change our opinion, so flaws always exist.

 

[Shredderbeam]

No, it isn't possible, there are none. You cannot express God through logic. As I've said in other threads, God made reality, he is above it and you cannot comprehend it.

"God exists, but he is wholly incomprehensible, and does not cohere to any standards of reason."

That is essentially your argument. What relevance does God hold in our lives, then? To interact with reality, you must be partially rational. You cannot be an abstract that evades any type of definition.

Also, what reason do you have to believe in God in the first place?

 

[insausage68]

"God exists, but he is wholly incomprehensible, and does not cohere to any standards of reason."

That is essentially your argument. What relevance does God hold in our lives, then? To interact with reality, you must be partially rational. You cannot be an abstract that evades any type of definition.

Also, what reason do you have to believe in God in the first place?

First off, Im not going to argue Christianity with you since I know what you responce will be anyway. And like I said before, dont try to comprehend it, you cant.

 

[Xtern]

its not that i dont believe in him its that i want evidence before i believe in something to the extereme

 

[mcnuggetman]

Nowhere. Your consciousness ceases to exist.

i agree i say either that or we get reincarnated into someone/thing eles