Question for Atheists

[Resident]

uh, wouldn't this be a better question for someone who actually believes in a God? Like Christians, or Jews?

 

[jebckr]

WHO can show me some evidence of how a god exist?

lol

I think all the things depend on your faith .

No evidence just faith. Will remain that way...

uh, wouldn't this be a better question for someone who actually believes in a God? Like Christians, or Jews?

No, then it would be a biased group of opinions, we need both sides here.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

Denominations, yes, I feel dumb for forgetting the term. Anyways, I've never understood how different denominations can have such differant interpretations. As it seems some of them are quite differant and would make a large differance in the afterlife or life on earth. The first that comes to my mind is the Babtist belief that you CAN'T fall away from faith (once saved your in so to speak) and the Methodist belief that you CAN fall away from faith. I mean under this very differant beliefs I'm going to heaven if I'm Babtist and hell if I'm Methodist. Others involve the Catholic idea of Purgatory, and some churchs/individuals (not sure if it applies to a specific denomination) who believe that all religion leads to the same place (sugar coated view if you will). Then the other group believing that only their Belief is right and ALL other religions lead to hell, even people who never have a chance to hear the word go to hell. Once again, very big differances within a religion.

As far as my church going friends, I can think of 3 that actually ask questions and really try to make sense of things. The rest honestly have no depth to their belief. I've asked the simple question "Why are you a Christian?" countless times and I always get some overused crap that involves no thinking. When I try to explain the logic against what they are thinking they just get offended and tell me i'm going to hell, BUT still they have no argument and no legit reason for their beliefs. I am from the Bible Belt of Alabama, so blind followers are in abundance. To say your an athiest or even a believer of some other religion here is grounds for being excluded from a lot of things.

Quick story to sort of show you the kinds of christians you'll find where I live.
When I finally openly declared my athiesm I lost quite a few "friends" simply because they think athiesm is "of the devil" or something. I hadn't gone to my church for over a year and it had been 3 or 4 months since people knew my beliefs. One day I decided to go back to my old church, just to see some old "friends". I was expecting a warm welcome back, etc, etc. Instead I was greated with hostility and questions like "Why are you even here?" At the end of the session, I was told by our YOUTH LEADER, that I shouldn't come back because he didn't want me "poisoning" the beliefs of the other people in the group...

Edit: I'm at school right now, I've got a list at home of those religions. I'll get them to you tonight if I think about it.

Demoninations are smimply the different ways of interpritation of key verses in the Bible. I'm not very familiar with other demoninations, but it seems whatever you believe to be true. I was never really judgmental and looking into other demoninations because of the reason I believe I was able to find my denomination immediatly, but if you are really looking for a good answer, I'll read up on the subject. Catholosim is also very distorted from the other denominations.

Yes, I can understand everyone being in a freaking religion because everyone else is, any I hate that, thats what makes me angry. If you have no flipping idea about what you believe or why you believe it, and your not even interested that I would effing kick them out of my church.

as for your story, I feel that unacceptable of what they did to you. We had an old friend come to our church just this Wednsday and alot of the people here were very accepting of his beleifs, although I confronted him about what he beleives afterword, and they always make for those interesting arguements.

WHO can show me some evidence of how a god exist?

lol

I think all the things depend on your faith .

First can I ask you of your beliefs?

How do you believe the universe began?
Where did matter come from?
What do you believe about the orgins of man?
Do you know why you believe what you believe?

 

[mcnuggetman]

Many of you ask how a god cannot exist, but can you please show me some evidence of how a god cannot exist?

Thank you.

you jsut tryed to prove both sides wrong mostly your side, we have theroy. and god hasnt showed existance so there is no proof he existed/s

 

[W0 W 123]

some ppl say its this book that has random storys that date way back..
some ppl dont even use that as an argument..
makes me lol somtimes irl.

 

[PinkPixel]

man is sinful... yet everything u claim 2 no about 'god' comes fro the bible, witch was written by man? does any1 else c a problem with that?

 

[killslasherkill]

the problem of evil all i have got to say

 

[metallica4eva]

i agree i dont belive god is real, and a song the express egcalty how i feel is the song "dear god by xtc"

my favorite quete is

"did u create mankind after we made you?"

 

[imnotcrazy357]

you jsut tryed to prove both sides wrong mostly your side, we have theroy. and god hasnt showed existance so there is no proof he existed/s

When you deny anything we say as to what can you say about this? and you say "oh there acting" or its exaggerated something like that ect. there is no valuable proof, but the thing is, what would the universe be constructed so perfectly? everything just happened by chance. A theory could mean nothing at times, you say, "we have theroy" like your all high and mighty and that you believe there is no after life, and science must be right ect., but what happens if your wrong? it takes science many tries to get something write, such as an invention or something, what if this is one of those many times science is wrong, what happens then?

man is sinful... yet everything u claim 2 no about 'god' comes fro the bible, witch was written by man? does any1 else c a problem with that?

If you believe the Bible, then you believe it is the Divine Word of God, and that it was not written by man, but by God, through man.

Think about it, if man wrote the Bible, would he really make the Christian church into a female, design heaven with no sex in it, and say that they were going to be married to Jesus in heaven? I don't know about you guys, but this is not what I would have written if I had made up the Bible.

the problem of evil all i have got to say

What problem of evil, can you go any deeper?

i agree i dont belive god is real, and a song the express egcalty how i feel is the song "dear god by xtc"

my favorite quete is

"did u create mankind after we made you?"

The thing I hate about these posts, is that alot of people like you come here, and post one thing, and then never come back, but anyways, why do you believe God is not real?

 

[The Supreme Intelligence]

How is it an inherent property of the universe? What created the universe? What caused the big bang? Who created the components which that big bang originally used to cause a bang?

 

[skillshot]

problem of evil defonitely like slasher

 

[Fallen Soul]

Many of you ask how a god cannot exist, but can you please show me some evidence of how a god cannot exist?

Thank you.

You just made no sense. The horrible grammar bring all Creationists to a bad start along with the question.

I have went from both sides of the fence on this topic and eventually found myself back to the creationists. If your not willing to be open minded on any topic at any time your will never see what they see, you will never understand what they see and why they see it. I do get frustrated with Christians and Creationists alike for the fact that you forcing things on people makes them resist and gives them a reason to fight. Along with that there will always be people who believe they know what there talking about and mislead and work against what there trying to do. But there are people who do understand it and will fight for what they believe.

I am not going to debate why there is a god or why there couldn't be at this time, I will later cause I'm not in the mood to do this I will be back in a little bit.

Just remember "I don't care who you are, always be open to being open minded."

 

[Shredderbeam]

How is it an inherent property of the universe? What created the universe? What caused the big bang? Who created the components which that big bang originally used to cause a bang?

How is what an inherent property of the universe? I cannot find the message that you are replying to.

The universe has always existed.

I don't claim to know what caused the Big Bang.

Nobody created them - they have always existed.

what would the universe be constructed so perfectly?

I have already explained this to you. The Anthropomorphic Principle (both the weak and strong versions) fully explain this.

everything just happened by chance.

Distributed chance, actually.

but what happens if your wrong?

What if you're wrong about Zeus, Ba'al, or any other god? The question is irrelevant, and encourages people to follow religion as a means of hedging your bets.

What problem of evil, can you go any deeper?

The only problem of evil - the existence of evil when an all-knowing, all-powerful (itself a logical impossibility), and benevolent God allows evil to exist.

why do you believe God is not real

Why would you believe that he is real in the first place?

 

[asda123]

Things that do not exist do not produce evidence of their non-existence. For example, there is no evidence that I wasn't molested as a child, so should it be taken as an unknown?

This seems to be a good topic for SFA. Moved, etc.

Shredder pretty much gave the best argument possible.
If it doesn't exist how can there be evidence of its non-existence?

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[Personal Jesus]

When you deny anything we say as to what can you say about this? and you say "oh there acting" or its exaggerated something like that ect. there is no valuable proof, but the thing is, what would the universe be constructed so perfectly? everything just happened by chance. A theory could mean nothing at times, you say, "we have theroy" like your all high and mighty and that you believe there is no after life, and science must be right ect.,

The universe isn't constructed so perfectly, as you so eloquently describe it. 99.99% of the entire universe consists of big, dead, clumps of rock, floating the space eternally with no purpose whatsoever.

The oxygen on our planet, that we seem to take for granted, is actually lethal and poisonous, but in the very early stages of evolution, before we left the oceans and ventured onto land, we adapted to the atmosphere and its components. This was a breakthrough for the Natural selection.

but what happens if your wrong? it takes science many tries to get something write, such as an invention or something, what if this is one of those many times science is wrong, what happens then?

The same question could I ask you, what if YOUR religion is wrong, and one of the hundreds of other religions out there is the right one, what happens then? You'll be burning in the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity, together with us arrogant Atheists, and we could continue the religious debate down there, where both sides would be screaming through the excruciating, atrocious suffering across the gateways; "I TOLD YOU SO!"

If you believe the Bible, then you believe it is the Divine Word of God, and that it was not written by man, but by God, through man.

Another vital clue that leads us to believe that the Bible was written by man, and not by man through a god, is the massive amount of contradictions in the Bible. There's not enough space in one post for me to post them here, but I can sure as evolution provide you with a bonafide link: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html - it contains an astonishing 508 indisputable contradictions, crushing the remaining validity of the Bible to atoms. If you don't believe those contradictions are true, then look them up in any Bible and see for yourself.

 

[Fallen Soul]

Things that do not exist do not produce evidence of their non-existence.

Shredder pretty much gave the best argument possible.
If it doesn't exist how can there be evidence of its non-existence?

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Well thats exactly it though. Still doesn't say there isn't a god. there is evidence but being fighting a one sided argument is like being a one legged skater your not going to get any where the most you can do is spin around in the same shit over and over.
there is no way to prove its non-existence but there are ways to prove its existence meaning there still is always the possibility its there meaning this statement is true but irrelevant to the fact that it could exist.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Well thats exactly it though. Still doesn't say there isn't a god.

Same with Santa, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and a teapot orbiting Pluto.

 

[Kabal]

Why do people still bother debating the existence of God on these forums?
The same shit is just going to keep being said, I think everyone realizes there is no proof that God exists.
I thought that was the point of religion that you are supposed to base your belief on faith not cold hard evidence.

What is there to argue, you either believe in him or you don't, nothing new can be said.

 

[porman]

what i like to tell god beleivers is that you go to a library and see the shit load of books of science trying to explain the universe and its beginning, and then u look at religion, you have 1 book, that was wrote thousands of years ago by people that thought the world was flat. like cmon...
and to the ones that say "prove it". we cant. tho the atomic theory cant be proven either, yet it works. the atom bomb is a classic example of this, its an experiment that uses the atomic theory and it works, tho we still cant prove it.

 

[Kabal]

Porman stop posting in this section, your posts hurt my eyes.