Question for Atheists

To my belief without a God, our Universe would not exist.

Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The universe began to exist.
Therefore, the universe had a cause.

 

A while a go i had a good topic about this. from the atheist perspective. unfortunately i cannot find my original thread so i will try to work my argument from memory.

Here is why god does not exist.

PART I

religion is a constant. every civilization that has come up through time has had a deity or deity's of some sort that they have been described to have similar uniform traits. omnipotent and omnipresent tend to be the two most common for monotheistic societies. strong mortal like patriarchal characteristics show up in polytheistic societies. These polytheistic gods remove the omnipresent and omnipotent factor that a single god would have to deal with by having specific jobs (god of war, god of feast, god of ...). so what dose all this leave us with. it leaves us with one question. of all the gods hat have popped up through history, who was right?

The Christian god?
The Muslim god?
The Greek gods?
The Aztek gods?
Early Asian supernatural beings?
...

its uncertain.

Now the smart christian will acknowledge that, well our god (father of christ) is obviously the only true god because we the dominant religion. well first you are not the dominant religion, Islam is (may bee Hinduism I'm not 100% sure). and second even if you were the dominant religion it is only so because white Anglo Sxon christians wared and superimposed their chritian religion to less advanced people.

Your not right on having chosen the right god, your only right because you have won through war murder and violence, (which by the way is unwanted by commandment number 6).

finally because my memory is fading on what i had written before. if god is truly all mighty, then why make humans? if something is eternal like the promise of life after death then it had no finite beginning or end. if something has no beginning or end then it does not exist. so here i have disprove the sole reason for religion, which to provide something to look forward to after death (come on your a "good" Christian so that you can be accepted in to gods kingdom after death). well if that kingdom is eternal and eternal things do not exist, then there is no promise of life aster death, which means that there is no "gods kingdom" which means that there is no god.

Finally (and this is not rhetorical i WANT an answer) why would god create a begin who could think for itself and in the process conclude through the logic that was given to it by go, which was modeled after the logic of god,logic that there in fact is no god?

in the end i want you to do this. For 1 hour, think for your self, do not use any preimposed idea that has been infused into your brain by your religion, and explain why a tree looks the way a tree dose. i promise you that you will come to an answer more magnificent than "because god designed it that way".

i want you to realize that i am not trying to "diss" your god or say that you are wrong. i just want you to stop thinking in the religious collective you are part of, and start thinking for yourself.

 

We don't know for certain that our universe began. It could have existed forever, expanding and re-collapsing, etc.

 

There could still be no god if it had only existed for a limited amount of time, the Big Bang might've started at the very beginning of time itself.

 

If a God had existed at one time, then a God exist. Existence isn't defined by life or death. If a God existed before, then a God exist now. That's why he's/they're called God(s).

 

I was referring to the universe, not god.

 

what i dont understand is.

what is god
how did they exist before time
who wrote the book



The only reason people believe in religion is because they dont want to go to hell.

 

Exactly, god didn't just write a book and give it to someone.

 

how did he write a book when he is supernatural?

 

If there was god he wouldn't even have contact with the real world in the first place.

 

True that.

How did the world come along then?

How did he have the power to build it?

How did he have the imagination for it?

 

I don't really think of god as a person, just some kind of entity that can't really be described, and for unknown reasons god made the universe.

 

but how is the question.

 

The fact is there was no creation. I know you know that, but i'm answering for the others. To say God created us, the earth, universe, etc contradicts the typical belief in God. The Christian belief anyways.

The creation of our universe can't be described as having a beggining and an end. It can be theorized, but not proved. So, as previously said, belief in ANY God is a belief in something with NO empirical evidence and no scientific credibilty.

 

Well its irational

Nothing can live for over 100billion years.

If god was real he would of allready left us.

Were all dirty sluts, we kill, we rape, and modern society is so fucking materialistic, kids get blocked by others, or social abused. To where they have no friends and want to kill everyone.

Were all gona die, but we arnt going to heaven, were gona stayy in a coffin until they reserect Hitler and he A-bombs the shit out of us.

If people really beleived in god, then they wouldn't be scared of dying, and in my whole life, i have never seen anyone who isn't scared of shit.

They cant face the fact that after you die, thats the end, nothing else happens.

 

If a God exists, I doubt that it is constrained by biological limitations, or even exists within time.

Not all of us.

I'm not sure what percentage of the population that applies to, but it's a safe bet that it's not 100%.

I agree with you there.

To resurrect Hitler, you'd need his perfectly preserved body. If you were able to successfully do this, you'd also need to give him enough political power to be able to authorize the launching of nuclear weaponry. Given the general populations understanding of Hitler, this would probably not happen.

Well, a belief in a God without a belief in the afterlife is possible.

There are some people who are so convinced of what they believe that they are not afraid of anything. Consider the monk who burned himself to death in North Korea as a protest act.

Oh, have you discovered that to be a fact?

 

Shredder, who/what created these naturalistic causes that caused Earth to exist? Who created nature itself?

 

Nature wasn't created. It's an inherent property of the universe.

 

God isn't a living thing, he's more of a force...?

 

Yes, EL17E brings up a very good point, god wouldn't punish people for the bad things on Earth, it's really up for people themselves to solve things within the universe, if there was a god, he at no point is going to step in and do anything.