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The problem with a client is that there aren't enough new players, and the old players all prefer SK. Unless someone put in the time and money to create something substantially better, it would actually not help traffic at all. If we want to do something, we need to innovate rather than copy what has already been done.

 

How much money are we talking? I am willing to spend money on this, I have made that clear. If the things other people are trying are working why not try to replicate it?

 

Because replication is not only a form of flattery, but also a form of creating hatred. Services or business' are created to fulfill a need, and neither a client nor a botclient are currently needs, with the latter being a legal issue.

Depending on the coders, developers, and server costs, the prices can vary quite a bit from a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. I'm sure getting the funds wouldn't be an issue as there are numerous people like you and me willing to help a good cause, the problem is finding that cause.

A client and a bot certainly aren't a good enough cause for which you would allocate all your resources. There needs to be some inovation, something new, something that will be viewed as necessary.

For example, if the Zybez Price Guide was not around and we created something like that, it would CERTAINLY draw exponential traffic to the site. We need to do something like that. Simple, sweet, cheap, but EXTREMELY effective.

I'm sure after a lot of brainstorming someone will come up with an idea, the problem is acting on it fast enough before someone else does.

 

People replicate things all the time, I don't understand how that would create haterid if I am understanding you correctly.

 

Company X creates an iPhone.
Company Y creates copy of an iPhone with minor changes.
Company X brings this to the attention of the public.
Company Y's sales and bottom-line are DIRECTLY affected when this news is out.

That is much how it will happen here. We create a client, and Zybez will not be happy. We create a price guide, and Zybez will not be happy. Not only that, the people that currently use those would probably not even consider switching. Why bother when you've used something safe and secure that you trust for years? You wouldn't, I know I personally wouldn't.

THAT is why you need to create something NEW. Something that will FORCE people to switch, leave them no choice.

"Profit is not the legitimate purpose of business. The legitimate purpose of business is to provide a product or service that people need and do it so well that it's profitable."

Right now, no one needs another client, or price guide. Find something they need, and work with it so well that they have no option but to come here, rather than offering them something they already have.

Another quick example: If you go to the mall and you have a bunch of credit cards already, and the guy asks you to sign up for another one, you say no emphatically. However if he offers you don't have and see value in, for example waiving the fees on the card and a free gift, then you consider it.

 

Yeah take the android and iphone. They have the same design and offer similar features (app store, homepage with apps, etc) yet you don't see hatred towards android... People like to have options.

 

That was my point that there are always similar designs to things yet no hatred.

 

I think you guys don't understand what I mean by 'hatred.' It doesn't literally mean everyone will hate Sythe, it means people will refrain from using that service because it is a copy cat. Unless you make it SO MUCH BETTER than everything else that's available, which isn't easy because SS already has almost everything that's necessary.

I've got a somewhat decent idea, something everyone currently needs in 07RS. If anyone is a programmer and has extra time on their hand, maybe we should discuss it.

 

If Sythe, the most well known black market website for Runescape, had a good working bot, you cannot tell me you wouldnt use it just because it was a replica of another bot...haha. You are going to use the best one available. Bottom line.
I, for one, support this idea even though I'm not sure what the legal implications are.

P.S...Aren't all bots basically a replica of another bot?

 

We weren't discussing bots here, we were discussing a client. It's quite obvious Sythe has no intentions of making an official "Sythe BOT" for Runescape due to the legal implications, so that idea is pretty much DOA.

 

Your logic is flawed I slay her, powerbot has a blackmarket section so does tri bot does that mean that people aren't going to use those sites because Sythe has a blackmarket section? Don't think so. They still continue to.

 

Elena, what he is trying to say is, the clients that are already available to the community, have such a high reputation with regards to how it works, the extras it has and so fourth. Why would someone stop using that, to start using a BETA client, that will obviously be bugged to the shithouse because we are using a coder who is getting paid very minimally. Unless someone is willing to fork out THOUSANDS of dollars, this won't happen. But as you stated, you're willing to fund said project, so in reality, you could go and make your own client/bot? Why does it have to have a relation with Sythe?

People aren't going to stop using something that works more than perfect, to start using something that they're going to have troubles with.. Yes I could understand, over time, bugs will be fixed and the client will be run as per any other.. But there is just no need, you can't compete with the others. So, in conclusion, I wouldn't offer support for the following reasons:
A) Too expensive.
B) Can't compete with the others.

Don't get me wrong here, but I also don't understand why you don't make your OWN client, with your OWN money and benefit from use of adverts etc.. rather than paying and funding this project, and having others benefit? I really can't comprehend what you're trying to prove there.

Don't take this as an attack, just some constructive feedback!

EDIT: Also, to fund something like this, it will be ONGOING funding, it won't be one large lump sum, otherwise who is going to maintain said project? Update to fix bugs? and update accordingly? You are really wasting your breath this isn't going to happen unless you have MAJOR funding..

 

Why does it have to be about proving anything it is just some idea's since everyone complains about sythe dying all of the time.

 

The only problem with making a product such as swift kit is
A) It'd have to be better than SK
B) Covey made 'Eliteswitch' and has it on sythe advertised.
C) Do the programmers have time.

If the answers to a and c are yes, make sure that B doesn't get annoyed at the dev team going 1up on him.

 

I think alot of people had used the SwiftSwitch client made by one of our members, Covey. I think he actually re made the client, and if we could make it so you have to have a sythe account, that would bring more attention to the website.

 

The client suggestion sounds good but I doubt anyone would use the forums after downloading it. To help this, I was thinking if we could have a small space saying There's a new Runescape discussion going on, 'thread title' or a button saying Buy/Sell RS Gold and have it link to gold buying/selling forum.
Edit: Or maybe have a button saying RS Real World Trading and have it link to rs market on sythe?

 

For the bot idea, we would need someone who is willing to put in that much time. And anyone that would, would want a huge portion of whatever is earned. Why would they help Sythe, when they could make one themselves like Tribot or Wbot. Tribot is making a rather good income for the creator, just the monthly membership alone. A sythe bot client would most likely have to be free, only way to beat Tribot. Unless we can get better scripts than them, and at such an early stage I doubt we could.

Legal issues, Sythe members that have very little experience with law won't suffice. Richard could take a look at it, but I'm sure he would still seek the opinion of a real lawyer.

That's 2 huge obstacles to overcome if we even consider bots. Getting through one would prove to be difficult, and I doubt we'd be able to get over the other.

Wbot has closed down as well, Jagex probably got to them. It's a matter of time for Tribot now.

There have been people who have tried making clients, for the main game. But it's never gotten anywhere. One of 07 may be a good idea, but getting the word around wouldn't be easy. Someone should have a word with blupig, I remember him working on one, probably for the main game.

 

A bot will bring in the MOST idiotic and annoying members to this forum. we'll be flooded with 8 year olds posting threads asking how to use the bot

 

Are you serious that's the best argument you have against it? Is it will bring annoying members? As long as it brings people that add to the community in a good way that's all that matters.

 

Elena not everyone is going to like your idea, you have to get used to that. Please stop acting like everyone who doesn't like your idea is insane, they're not. We have our reasons, and when we present them, yet again you decide to say we're baseless, when we give proof and examples.

Nonetheless, the bot idea is absolutely not happening. Sythe allows programming on here, and people do that at their own risk. I can almost guarantee he will NEVER endorse a bot under his name. You fail to understand the legal implications this can have, no matter where in the world he's located. If Jagex decides to take legal action again, Sythe would be shot up to the top of the list if they had an "official bot." We all know how quickly it would gain users, and with us already having a notorious reputation for the black market, it would not be a cause of good for Sythe.

The client idea might live on, but as I said, we would have to come up with something that differentiates it enough to draw users away from an already established service.