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Hello Guys

We're looking for a well-written Lowbie Market Guide that can help users who have no clue how the market operates, you also should include information about OMMs, vouches, and cite some rules that they need to know.

Please Post your draft on this or PM me with it and the best will be tweaked if necessary by the staff lounge and then you can post it in the relevent section and I'll sticky it!

Seize the chance to leave a lasting impression on sythe.

The winner will also be awarded with the 'Competition Winner' rank!

Thanks!

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It will also be the go to guide for LiveHelp sessions so that when a person is asking about this, we direct them there. This is a big chance for you guys to have your words read by tons of people.
 
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Should this include information on each part of the market? For example accounts section, gold, upgrades etc?
 
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Should this include information on each part of the market? For example accounts section, gold, upgrades etc?

Make it as detailed as you want. We really just need a good guide for new people to use as a reference to cut down on the number of scams and make the site more open and easily used by new people as they are what makes Sythe continue to grow and remain strong as others leave.
 
Make it as detailed as you want. We really just need a good guide for new people to use as a reference to cut down on the number of scams and make the site more open and easily used by new people as they are what makes Sythe continue to grow and remain strong as others leave.

So just a guide which would be applicable to each market?

Obviously writing a guide detailing everything from the runescape section to xbox market, non virtual items would take a fair amount of time.
 
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So just a guide which would be applicable to each market?

Obviously writing a guide detailing everything from the runescape section to xbox market, non virtual items would take a fair amount of time.

Just the market in general. Like Karl said, OMMs, pming before trading... Just whatever you think a newbie needs to know to use Sythe successfully and not get scammed. And how to report scammers and such if they do.
 
How To Conduct Successful Trades On Sythe​


Introduction

When trading in the 'Black Market' there is always the chance of being taken advantage of for you're lack of knowledge on how to conduct a successful trade on sythe, this takes a few times of being 'Played' or 'scammed' for you're hard earned money, for you to learn the things I am about to explain. I am hoping that this removes the learning experience of being 'played' or 'scammed' and all your trades are successful here on sythe.

Conducting Safe and successful trades on Sythe.

1. Always Make sure that you receive a Private Message from the person you are trading with, and if you feel something is a little 'fishy' ask for them to put something specific in the private message, to insure that you are not speaking to an 'imposter'.

2. Always use an Official Middle Man or Free Middle Man in your trade, most of the people qualified for these services do not charge a fee, and make for most trades to be successful.

3. Do not, under any circumstances use Team viewer, there are many scam reports using this program, and I can think of many other ways of verifying what they claim to need the use of team viewer for, simply suggest skype screen share, depending on what you are trading, Screen shots, or meeting the person with the goods in the game itself should be sufficient evidence in most cases to verify you own what you have claimed to. Alternatively use a Official Middle Man or Free Middle Man to complete the trade.

4. Be cautious when you see someone buying an item or service for significantly more then market pricing, this person is usually if not 100%, trying to 'scam' you out of your money in the hype that you will get well paid, you might overlook some of the precautions that should be taken, don't let the money get to your head and take the steps necessary for a successful trade.

5. When trading for accounts, such as World of Warcaft, Runescape, and even Xbox, be very cautious with who you trade with because most if not all accounts are 'recoverable' by the owners and if they have not deemed themselves trustworthy in the community I would not suggest buying an account from them. If you do buy an account always request the use of an Official Middle Man and ask to preform a recovery test, to verify the information they have provided is valid and you will be able to recover the account at any given point in time, also set your own information once you receive the account. Please take under consideration that even with taking all the precautions in the world, it is inevitable, accounts are always able to be recovered one way or another.

6. I would advise you to not use Paypal with anyone that has not deemed themselves trusted amongst the community, there is a serious issue with charge backs and they are a pain to deal with, most of the time, even with valid proof you will be unsuccessful in disputing when it happens. If you decide to trade with someone not deemed trusted in your eyes using Paypal, make sure they have verified their Paypal account with their bank and/or credit card to insure they are held responsible for any fraudulent activity or dispute claims, make sure to have them confirm their Paypal email registered and name in the conversation and take proof with Video or screen shots no matter if the trade seems successful at first there is always the risk they will later charge back their money in the act to 'scam' you, keep it stored somewhere on your computer for a later date when it may be needed.

7. Always take 'proof' of the trade, make sure to keep the msn conversation or whatever you are using for communication, open and take video of the trade if you can, if you are not able to simply take screen shots of the conversation after the trade has gone sour. If the trade is for Paypal, or something a long the lines where you might need the proof in the future to win a dispute claim, then take proof regardless of how the trade goes, and keep it in a folder for a later date, this has helped me a handful of times.

Useful Tips & Information

Before trading anyone on this site, to insure you are not dealing with someone that has been previously been banned on Sythe, and is now considered a ban evader please simply follow these simple steps.

A) Open Google
B) Type in the Msn you are speaking with
C) Look through the top 10 links that come up related to sythe.org
D) if you find that the msn has been posted on multiple accounts one of which that is banned, please do not trade them and report them with sufficient proof in the report a ban evader section that can be found below.


Official Middle Man's can me found > here <


Free Middle Man's can be found > here <


Report a scammer section can be found > here <


How to Make a proper scam report click > here <


Report a Ban Evader section can be found > here <


For a list of possible scam attempts to be aware of, click > here <


Before trading a Runescape account make sure the log in name is not on this list > here <


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Please post here with comments / advice, I am trying to get this to become a sticky.​
 
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My guide :)



Beginners' Guide To The Sythe Marketplce


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Table of Contents:



Basic Precautions When Trade On Sythe

  1. Read the forum rules
  2. Always use a middleman
  3. Never Rush A Trade
  4. Always ask for a pm
  5. Search their msn on Google and their Sythe name (Sythe search button)
  6. Too good to be true? It is

List Of Common Scams And How To Avoid Them

  1. Teamviewer Scam
  2. PayPal Chargeback
  3. Moneybookers Chargeback
  4. Quick trade
  5. Imposter
  6. Fake Vouches

What kind of people are deemed trustworthy

  1. Be wary of these ranks
  2. Donation Rank
  3. Moderators and Administrators


How to trade in each Marketplace and their perspective sub-forums

  1. Runescape Markets
  2. WoW Markets
  3. XBOX Market
  4. Other Game Markets
  5. Digital Currency and Non-Game Items
  6. Non-Virtual Items
  7. Guide & eBook Sales

What To Do After A Successful Trade

  • Vouch for each other

Reporting A Scammer

  • Gather Valid Evidence

Other Helpful Guides

  1. Sythe.org FAQ
  2. How To Avoid Getting Hacked
  3. Uploading and posting pictures
  4. How to Catch a Ban Evader
  5. How To Always Catch Your Scammer
  6. How To Avoid Frauded Paypals
  7. How To Catch a Mils/GP Scammer
  8. A WalkThrough Of Sythe.org
  9. How To Make A Successful Trade
  10. How To Post A Thread Selling Your Runescape Account








Basic Precautions When Trading On Sythe


  • Read the forum rules

    -Reading forum rules before posting can prevent your threads from being locked, receiving an infraction, and can also give you helpful tips.
    The forum rules are stickied so they are easy to find.

  • Always use a middleman

    -Using a middleman dramatically reduces the chances of being scammed by the other party.
    You can find the list of Official Middlemen > here <
    Unless you are doing a big trade, a trusted middleman should suffice. You can find them > here <

    *NOTE* Almost all small trades can be done with regular middlemen. If someone denies the use of any trusted middleman, saying, "ONLY Official Middlemen", there is a possibility of them being a scammer. NEVER go first to them in that situation. They are most likely trying to build your trust and ask you to go first saying,"There's no OMM on right now, let's just get this trade done with." *NOTE*


  • Never Rush A Trade

    -Most scammers do not have patience and will urge you to do a quick trade with them, giving you any reason why.
    They do this because: the shorter the time, the less chance you have of gathering evidence and taking pictures of the conversation and trade.

  • Always ask for a pm

    -When trading with another member of Sythe, ask them to pm you (on Sythe) information confirming you are talking to them.
    A good form of confirmation is them telling you to pm : "Hi, this is (Their msn), and I am talking to you on (Your msn)." This way, you have clear evidence of who is talking to you.

  • Search their msn on Google and their Sythe name (Sythe search button)

    -Searching their msn on Google will help you find what other sites and threads the user has posted, and if he is trustworthy or not.

    -Searching their name on Sythe will help you find threads in which they are mentioned, there is a possibility that there is a scam report out
    (also remember to check the > Report A Scammer Section < )

  • Too good to be true? It is.

    -Always make sure to search other threads in the section for price confirmation. Usually deals that are "Too good to be true" can be easily thwarted if you ask for an official
    middleman and they deny. In any situation, make sure to make use of the helpful people offering middleman services.


List Of Common Scams And How To Avoid Them

  • Teamviewer Scam

    -Best thing to do: Stay away from using Teamviewer while trading.
    Why? Cause they can take control of your computer, A.K.A. drop all your stuff.
    If you fall for this scam, then immediately disconnect your device from the internet.

  • PayPal Chargeback

    -Don't take Paypal from non-trusted users. It is very easy for someone to file an unauthorized access claim with PayPal and win the dispute.
    Only take PayPal from trusted members (also remember, they can still charge back)
    Instead of using PayPal, PlayerAuctions is the safest thing out there. You can find a guide on PlayerAuctions > Why Use Player Auctions?http://ww3.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1129493 < and > How To Use Player Auctions <

    -HOWEVER, if you do find yourself in this type of situation in the future, you could buy a guide here (mod): > FlyingToast's Guide to Winning Paypal Chargeback Disputeshttp://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1237450 <

  • Moneybookers Chargeback

    -Long ago it was believed that moneybookers was safe and secure, impossible to charge back. Sadly, that is not true anymore. Just like Paypal, only accept moneybookers from trusted members.

  • Quick trade

    -They will make an excuse like, "I gotta go in 5 minutes", in order to get you to do a fast transaction.
    They want a fast trade so you won't be able to find a middleman in time and you won't be able to get proper photo evidence of the scam.

  • Imposter

    -A scammer adds you on msn, claiming to be someone else (usually a staff member or someone you are trying to trade with.)
    Hovering over someone's name on msn gives a mini-profile. ALWAYS make sure that the msn matches the name on the one in the Sythe thread.

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    *NOTE* Do NOT read the header (pink box in my picture) on msn for confirmation. Users can put ANYTHING they want in that top header. *NOTE*

  • Fake Vouches

    -A user's vouch thread contains posts that either do not have an arrow, lead to a different user's post, or has different words in the post.
    Here is an example:
    Vouch, Sold him 200m, I went first.
    ALWAYS remember to check the name and contents of the vouch to see if they match the linked post (also remember to make sure to check who the vouch is for)

    -Another common scam is hiding fake vouches in between real ones.
    If the user has a suspicious amount of vouches with a low post count, make sure you click some of the middle vouches to see if they are valid.


What kind of people are deemed trustworthy
  • Be wary of these ranks

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    -These people have earned this rank because although there is no solid evidence banning them, they have been suspected of scamming or have problems with securing their accounts. ALWAYS use a middleman when trading with them.

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    -Do not trade with these people, as they are banned from Sythe. Also be wary and keep in mind of their msn.

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    -Do not trade with these people, in most cases they have earned this because of built of infractions (not necessarily scamming), but stay away from these people in any case.

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    -Do not trade with these people. Usually people that have this are people whose trust has been compromised (virus or msn hacked) or are temporarily away from the Sythe community and do not wish to endanger anyone in case of a security breach.

  • Donation Rank

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    -These users have decided to support Sythe.org by donating money. This is usually a good way to tell a user's legitimacy and trustworthiness, however, it is always encouraged to look at their vouches.

    -There are many ways to donate, which can be found > here <
    The full list of donation benefits can be found > here <

  • Moderators and Administrators

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    -These people are an elite species that have been handpicked by Sythe himself to enforce the rules and help keep the community running. These are deemed some of the most trustworthy people on Sythe.org.

    -You can find the list of current staff online > here < (green dot means online)

    -You can find a detailed list of titles and ranks > here <



What To Do After A Successful Trade

  • Vouch for each other


    -A vouch is a form of written confirmation of a trade or service done well. This is also a way for users to post feedback of their trading experience with you.

    -You can start a vouch thread by starting a new thread in the forum found > here < or simply click > this <
    > Here < is my vouch thread. You can quote someone's post by simply clicking the "quote" button in the bottom right footer of the user's post and copying the information (notice that if you click the arrow sign in a quote, it should lead directly to the post).

    -A good vouch includes the user's name and what it is for.
    vouch for rang3d maul, sold me 390M this time, very patient, easy to talk with, ty~

    -It is very helpful and convenient for other members if you include your vouch thread in your signature.
    Top of the site: User CP ---> Edit Signature, copy and paste your vouch thread url.

Reporting A Scammer
  • Gather Valid Evidence


    -Find out what type of evidence is acceptable by reading this sticky: > How to make a proper scam report, rules, and guidelines <


    MSN chat logs are NOT proof:
    MSN chat logs are stored as plain text XML files by default, and certain add ons allow HTML logs. Both of these can be edited easily through Notepad and we do not accept them as proof. The only valid proof for an MSN conversation is a screenshot of the ACTUAL CONVERSATION WINDOW.

    Also, do not trade through PMs; it is very hard to review this evidence. The quotes can easily be edited, or the trade could have continued over on MSN; saying that the trade was a scam is not enough proof for a ban.
    ​




    Guidelines during/after a suspected scam:
    The following are a set of guidelines that you should probably following during a suspected scam. Please record any type of information you can during the scam so you can make a proper, and solid report.
    1. Use an INSTANT messenger for the trade: It is VERY difficult to prove a scam through PMs - Please use an instant messenger like Skype (text), Live Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, or AIM
    2. You must take screenshots of the active messenger window: As stated many times in this thread and elsewhere, logs do not count as proof - Take screenshots of the conversation window only, do not copy and paste the conversation or the log, and do not take screenshots of the log either
    3. Show the messenger address (Meebo warning!): We cannot take your word for anything, everything must be presented in solid proof - If the messenger address of the scammer and yourself is not shown in the conversation window, then the report will be discarded (Meebo does not show this)
    4. Don't over-edit: One screenshot per conversation window - Do not group the screenshots, and do not crop them (please note that censoring is only allowed for information you MUST keep secret, like passwords and such)
    5. If you're posting a video: Upload it to Youtube, or another uploader site - If the site contains too many ads or requires surveys to watch, then the report will be automatically discarded
    6. Place images in IMG tags: Please place your image URLs between IMG tags, like so
      Code:
      [IMG]Image URL here[/IMG]
      [*]Make notes during the trade: Once again, we cannot take your word for anything, but any small details we might miss in a screenshot or something like that would definitely help - As stated in the rules (above this post), providing any and all information you have is a must
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      -Find out what format your scam report should follow by reading this sticky:[url=http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=1118369][color=lime][b]> [/color][/b][u] Templates for quick and solid reports[/u][/url][color=lime][b] < [/color][/b] 
      
      
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This is a rough draft, with no format, i sent to karl i will finish later, if you are not looking for a guide this Detailed, please tell me now before i finish it, as i still have alot more to go through.



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How to Start trading on sythe!


Table of contents


  • - How to find the trade your looking for.
  • -How to tell if the potential seller is a scammer.
  • -How to find a OMM/MM for your trade that will not scam you.
  • - if scammed how to properly gather evidence.
  • - how to make sure the MM/seller isn't an imposter.
  • -I was Scammed, what do i do now?


How to find a trade:

First off, you must established what your looking for, the first thing to do is to figure out what Genre your looking for, Heres a photo of the market Section, http://screensnapr.com/v/8xfgui.png Once you found what your looking for be it Gold, Accounts, virtual/non-virtual items, you need to find a seller, heres an example of the Runescape Gold selling section.

Heres what the Runescape Gold selling section looks like, http://screensnapr.com/v/CrhVqb.png
When you know your payment method read over the titles of threads to see which seller takes your form of payment. A tip i like to use when finding a potential buyer/seller is looking at the number of posts/veiws on their thread, which can be found here, http://screensnapr.com/v/kE1YWK.png

Now there is plenty of legit sellers who arn't in the 2,000 posts range on their thread, but if you want safety it's best to go with the most well-known sellers. Now that you found a seller, read over his thread, which can be found here, http://screensnapr.com/v/3Yq5sV.png If that is the desired price range your looking for GREAT! now onto the next steps of making a safe trade!

How to tell if the Seller/Buyer is Legit:

Most Sellers/Buyers keep a link to their vouches in their signature, which can be found here, http://screensnapr.com/v/TdQ3c1.png What if your seller/buyer doesn't have their vouches in their sig? WELL! no worries! we have that covered aswell! a simple search can fix this problem, at the top of your page click search, advanced search, which can be found here, http://screensnapr.com/v/j8wkCt.png Once in the main search form , http://screensnapr.com/v/EE9m2v.png Click the find posts drop down arrow, and select threads, http://screensnapr.com/v/kBsDfY.png When you have that selected type the name of your potential buyer/seller, http://screensnapr.com/v/bTUvVA.png After selecting the correct person hit search, http://screensnapr.com/v/WpFnXt.png

Great! you now have your seller/buyers threads on display, http://screensnapr.com/v/jZ5H8z.png Locate theri vouches page, which is normally titled in this form ( NameHere_____Vouches!) http://screensnapr.com/v/40YEme.png

Click the link, and start to read, a tip for how i read over vouches is this format, Quality of the vouch, the amount of vouches, the total rate of USD the trader has handled over their time on sythe. These three factors help ALOT if you follow that format you will be well on your way to a scam free stay on sythe. Hare are some vouches http://screensnapr.com/v/d8QDdX.png Now you ask, how can i tell if these vouches are real or not? Well if you wish to be a private eye, heres a method of checking the legitacy of these vouches.

First thing is to scroll down the page past the traders original post, and start to read the vouches the people left themselves, http://screensnapr.com/v/RwsfAH.png

Now of course you can check every single vouch if you'd like, but i like to just find some of their best vouches, and check those, heres how you do that, What i normally do is locate their most recent vouches , so go to the very last page, which can be found at the top or bottom of the thread here, http://screensnapr.com/v/Z1FkQs.png Heres a vouch i selected, http://screensnapr.com/v/JyM3cR.png There is two methods of doing this, you can use the search tool like we used earlier, or google, i will show you the google method first.

Once you copy the vouch text http://screensnapr.com/v/uOrt8W.png go to www.google.com and paste it into the search engine, also make sure to put the vouhcers name before the text, http://screensnapr.com/v/EBatXQ.png once that is done find the link to the page where the trade happened, http://screensnapr.com/v/ykmwX2.png Grat job, you just located the vouch on the thread where the trade happened! http://screensnapr.com/v/qUKHRk.png

Now, how to do that same method, but whilst staying on sythe, this method can be one of two ways, you can click on the persons name if you are still on the vouch thread, and select find all posts by user, http://screensnapr.com/v/LL9kWv.png however, if you can't locate the vouch on the vouch page, and it is just quoted in the original post simply copy the name from the quote, **This persons vouch has not been quoted and added yet, but heres a picture of what you would have done if it was, http://screensnapr.com/v/1LjsOK.png ** Once you have the name go back to the search tool at the top of the screen, This time however we will be selecting find posts by user, NOT threads started, http://screensnapr.com/v/QXpTPO.png then hit search.

After selecting the thread that the post was in, http://screensnapr.com/v/oyRFkn.png You may start to search for the vouch, now depending on the Date the vouch was left, and the number of posts on the thread, it will determine how hard it is to find the vouch, now since i used the google method earlier, i already know what page the vouch was on, but if you don't, the best thing i can tell you to do is to go through each page, until you find the one your looking for, you may even find some other vouches along the way, the more the merrier!


How to find a OMM/MM:

Great you find a buyer who you deem safe to use, but why not go ahead and add some extra security. First things first, you will want to locate the Middleman Section, which just so happens to be in the market section, http://screensnapr.com/v/GAPgzF.png Now to select a OMM/MM, you have two choices here Official Middlemans are normally considered the most trusted out of all the MMs. As they must go through an difficult application process, Now there are some legit non OMMs out there, and thats what we are going to focus on here.

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How long do we have because i have to go for today but still wanna hand my guide in
 
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How long do we have because i have to go for today but still wanna hand my guide in

We don't really have a set date... The sooner the happier I will be but if you write a kick ass guide it won't matter.
 
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I think you where going well with your guide, but then varied off in to explaining how to take valid proof, instead of then linking the sticky already created in the report a scammer section for how to make submit proper proof.
 
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Keep working on them guys, and I encourage you to work together with someone. The combined knowledge of a couple or even several market users will always be better than that of a single user.
 
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