Donald Trump

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-ban-on-all-Muslims-entering-the-US-live.html

Excuse the British Paper; but...

David Cameron leads the condemnation after the presidential candidate said parts of London were so radicalised "police in London are afraid for their own their lives" - while the Pentagon says his comments play in to Islamic State's narrative

You see how even Pentagon says his comments play into the terroristic narrative?

Meaning he is acting as bad as the terrorists where they want to own land; and separate people. This is exactly what those ISIS do in Syria, killing Muslims who don't agree with them.

Yet people around world are afraid for their own-selves, when hundreds if not thousands of more are already dead in the Middle-East, because they say no to terrorism.

 

[Wins]

"The Trump campaign for months now has had a dustbin-of-history-like quality to it, from the vacuous sloganeering to the outright lies to even the fake hair. The whole carnival-barker routine that we've seen for some time now," Earnest said.
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=15356487#post15356487

 

[Spyder69]

How long did it take you to make that?
Thats not proper proof.


@Xire0


Hahaha he defined you correctly !

Here ill give you an advice for your future so you don't get beat up by smart kids. Try researching and using a valid source.




Its called the internet and local news.Same news that talks about all this. Try watching tv or something but since I'm nice ill link you.

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump...ry-special-id-evokes-holocaust-syrian-2192206

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/opinions/obeidallah-trump-anti-muslim/


Here is where he says Ban all muslims and people reply that its not the american way.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35037701
its called searching.


Its called the internet and local news.Same news that talks about all this. Try watching tv or something but since I'm nice ill link you.

http://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump...ry-special-id-evokes-holocaust-syrian-2192206

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/opinions/obeidallah-trump-anti-muslim/


Here is where he says Ban all muslims and people reply that its not the american way.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35037701
its called searching.

I thoroughly enjoy debating idiots like you, I really do.

http://gawker.com/no-donald-trump-never-called-republicans-the-dumbest-g-1737103793

First of all, the image you used is fake, and he never said that, nice propaganda.

Second of all, nowhere has he said a database will be built, or that Muslims will be required ID cards. The way Trump answered the question was very vague, and he never uttered the words "build a database" or "ID Muslims." But I want you to actually show me WHERE HE SAID THAT. A reporter setting up a honey pot to then misconstrue his words is by no means the same as saying "yeah we're going to build a database."

Thirdly, i'm still waiting for you to explain why closing our doors to Muslim immigrants is somehow a bad idea. There is NO WAY for us to identify radicals from moderates.

You've also failed to address the point that we have in the past limited and even halted immigration for a period of time due to war.

"Muh feelings" isn't an argument, and isn't logical.

Btw for those who think Terrorism relates to Islam; Islam, the word means Peace. There's always rotten apples in a pile of good.

And Jihad is only for defense right? I'm sure Spain and half the known world thought that also while being "defensively" conquered during/after the century of Muhammad's death.

I'm going to start counting the number of people who are using "well muh feelingz" as arguments, and ignore historic facts.

Your edit is funny since USA invades every country in the world where there is money/oil to be made lol

*sniff sniff* smell that? Ahhhh, that must be a nice cup of propaganda brewing.

EDIT:

I just want to take a moment to address something here.

Lets all look to Wins, here:

its called searching.

Now lets all give notice to the fact he couldn't fact-check an image that anyone with half a brain could look at, and realize the chances of it being false propaganda are 9.9/10. Oh, and gee, would you look at that... it's fake.

Remember, these are the kind of people that are actually voting in our elections.

 

[Wins]

I thoroughly enjoy debating idiots like you, I really do.

http://gawker.com/no-donald-trump-never-called-republicans-the-dumbest-g-1737103793

First of all, the image you used is fake, and he never said that, nice propaganda.

Second of all, nowhere has he said a database will be built, or that Muslims will be required ID cards. The way Trump answered the question was very vague, and he never uttered the words "build a database" or "ID Muslims." But I want you to actually show me WHERE HE SAID THAT. A reporter setting up a honey pot to then misconstrue his words is by no means the same as saying "yeah we're going to build a database."

Thirdly, i'm still waiting for you to explain why closing our doors to Muslim immigrants is somehow a bad idea. There is NO WAY for us to identify radicals from moderates.

You've also failed to address the point that we have in the past limited and even halted immigration for a period of time due to war.

"Muh feelings" isn't an argument, and isn't logical.


And Jihad is only for defense right? I'm sure Spain and half the known world thought that also while being "defensively" conquered during/after the century of Muhammad's death.

I'm going to start counting the number of people who are using "well muh feelingz" as arguments, and ignore historic facts.



*sniff sniff* smell that? Ahhhh, that must be a nice cup of propaganda brewing.

Sniff? i only smell your stupidity brewing inside a can.


ID Card
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/...-should-be-forced-to-wear-special-id-badges/#


"Second of all, nowhere has he said a database will be built, or that Muslims will be required ID cards. The way Trump answered the question was very vague, and he never uttered the words "build a database" or "ID Muslims." But I want you to actually show me WHERE HE SAID THAT. A reporter setting up a honey pot to then misconstrue his words is by no means the same as saying "yeah we're going to build a database."

Sure close the doors to the radicals but don't close to the whole religion. Some people have families . Students want to come and learn. Do it from the country that the problem is originating from.

 

[Spyder69]

Sniff? i only smell your stupidity brewing inside a can.


ID Card
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/...-should-be-forced-to-wear-special-id-badges/#

Can you read?

Quote him. I've asked probably three times now.

I want you to copy/paste his exact words where he says he's going to force Muslims to wear an ID. Stop wasting my time.

Sure close the doors to the radicals but don't close to the whole religion. Some people have families . Students want to come and learn. Do it from the country that the problem is originating from.

You do realize many of those countries in the ME have virtually no borders, with the exception of nations like KSA, Israel, etc. Why do you think it's such a massive issue in the EU right now with the immigration crisis? Do any of those people have photo identification that ties them to a certain nation? No.

I've asked you to explain to me how you're going to differentiate between a radical from ISIS and a moderate fleeing Syria. Are you going to go Google their facebook and Twitter profile? Oh wait...

The logical step is to temporarily close the doors of this nation to those who pose a threat.

Halting immigration due to an external threat is nothing new to this nation, we have done it before.

I find it a bit funny you have the audacity to make an ad hominem jab when you used a fake quote that with a single search can be debunked instantly.

I don't mind personal attacks as long as the person attacking me is somewhat mindful of his own practices. It's glaringly apparent you aren't interested in real facts, just finding anything that fits your narrative. Hence, you probably saw that picture on Twitter and without thinking or fact-checking, proceeded to copy/paste it thinking "teehee, I got him now!"

E: Before replying to me with the same rhetoric, I want you to openly admit that you used propaganda.

 

[Wins]

Can you read?

Quote him. I've asked probably three times now.

I want you to copy/paste his exact words where he says he's going to force Muslims to wear an ID. Stop wasting my time.



You do realize many of those countries in the ME have virtually no borders, with the exception of nations like KSA, Israel, etc. Why do you think it's such a massive issue in the EU right now with the immigration crisis? Do any of those people have photo identification that ties them to a certain nation? No.

I've asked you to explain to me how you're going to differentiate between a radical from ISIS and a moderate fleeing Syria. Are you going to go Google their facebook and Twitter profile? Oh wait...

The logical step is to temporarily close the doors of this nation to those who pose a threat.

Halting immigration due to an external threat is nothing new to this nation, we have done it before.

I find it a bit funny you have the audacity to make an ad hominem jab when you used a fake quote that with a single search can be debunked instantly.

I don't mind personal attacks as long as the person attacking me is somewhat mindful of his own practices. It's glaringly apparent you aren't interested in real facts, just finding anything that fits your narrative. Hence, you probably saw that picture on Twitter and without thinking or fact-checking, proceeded to copy/paste it thinking "teehee, I got him now!"

Yea close the doors to that women who is bearing her unborn child. GREAT PLAN! OMG IT SHOULD WIN AN AWARD Bravo!

If you are going to reference the past actions of closing the border for w/e problem .. THIS IS THE PRESENT AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED .. Nothing changed bro.

 

[Spyder69]

Yea close the doors to that women who is bearing her unborn child. GREAT PLAN! OMG IT SHOULD WIN AN AWARD Bravo!

GG.

You could have at least gracefully given up on debating this. It was fun, maybe next time you won't use blatantly wrong propaganda.

 

When asked how he'd prevent Muslims from entering this country his response was "A customs agent would say 'are you a Muslim' and if answer is yes, the traveler would be turned away."

Literally the only people he's stopping from entering are a. Muslims with no ill-will and terrorists who aren't willing to lie. rofl.

 

[Wins]

When asked how he'd prevent Muslims from entering this country his response was "A customs agent would say 'are you a Muslim' and if answer is yes, traveler would be turned away."

Literally the only people he's stopping from entering are a. Muslims with no ill-will and terrorists who aren't willing to lie. rofl.

Honestly all you need to do is ASK. Laziness has hit a new level in america.

Its not that hard to ask the person what are his motives for coming. All those bs question that waste time but still thats all you need to do and do your research thats all. IF you can't that then thats how you lose in a fight because of laziness.

GG.

You could have at least gracefully given up on debating this. It was fun, maybe next time you won't use bloat

Not even sure if you can call your arguments debatable stuff. To me it just looks like uneducated person who doesn't own a television or watches the news.

 

[Spyder69]

When asked how he'd prevent Muslims from entering this country his response was "A customs agent would say 'are you a Muslim' and if answer is yes, traveler would be turned away."

Literally the only people he's stopping from entering are a. Muslims with no ill-will and terrorists who aren't willing to lie. rofl.

Interesting, interesting... I didn't know that would be the only factor being accounted for when determining religion.

Historically, as was in the 20's, it was a limit/ban on immigrants from certain countries. Although that brings with it some of its own potential errors, there's several other options and factors to be aware of when attempting to limit the number of potential threats that are potentially ethnic/religious related. Seeing as obviously, the majority of all Muslims in the ME are Arab.

But you're right, the only factor we'll incorporate is a simple questionnaire.

Q1: Will you kill infidels?

Not even sure if you can call your arguments debatable stuff. To me it just looks like uneducated person who doesn't own a television or watches the news.

Say that again when you've admitted to using a picture that was proven to be fake.

I'm also still waiting for you to copy/paste the quotes, seeing as you 100% believe he has said the things you claim.

Stillllllllllllllllllllllll waiting.

 

[Shall Skill]

Don't particularly agree with what Trump suggests, also don't particularly disagree, but Spyder is wrecking the shit out of you guys

 

And Jihad is only for defense right? I'm sure Spain and half the known world thought that also while being "defensively" conquered during/after the century of Muhammad's death.

I'm going to start counting the number of people who are using "well muh feelingz" as arguments, and ignore historic facts.

Muslims have different interpretations of the Qur'an; hence why there are so many different sects, Sunni',(Majority) Shia (Shi'ite), Wahabi (Nearer extremist). This is similar to other religions too. Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews etc. Same for Christianity.

The reason why I mention this is, because what you may think or have heard or researched about; regarding the term Jihad and the context within the Qur'an, is not the same as it is for every other Muslim.

To me; Jihad defines what this person did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aitzaz_Hasan

Not by what ISIS is doing when claiming to be the representation of Islam; when majority of Islam's population is peaceful. That's like saying KKK is the perfect example of Christianity, it doesn't make sense.


If Muslims and Islam was that bad of a religion then why is majority of Islam still going about their own business ...with no relation to terrorism? Why are Muslims still being killed by terrorists? Do you think Muslims are immune to terror threats?

For that reason Trump is an absolute tool for wanting a ban on Muslims entering/in America. If anything his opinions is as bad as ISIS. And I'm genuinely glad for his disqualification.


Edit: Something I just can't seem to grasp the concept of; If the Qur'an states killing a single person, is like killing an entire population, and that suicide is a sin, then how can people still believe ISIS relates to Islam?

 

But you're right, the only factor we'll incorporate is a simple questionnaire.

Q1: Will you kill infidels?

And you expect terrorists entering into this country to check yes?

 

[Wins]

Interesting, interesting... I didn't know that would be the only factor being accounted for when determining religion.

Historically, as was in the 20's, it was a limit/ban on immigrants from certain countries. Although that brings with it some of its own potential errors, there's several other options and factors to be aware of when attempting to limit the number of potential threats that are potentially ethnic/religious related. Seeing as obviously, the majority of all Muslims in the ME are Arab.

But you're right, the only factor we'll incorporate is a simple questionnaire.

Q1: Will you kill infidels?




Say that again when you've admitted to using a picture that was proven to be fake.

I'm also still waiting for you to copy/paste the quotes, seeing as you 100% believe he has said the things you claim.

Stillllllllllllllllllllllll waiting.

Im still waiting for you to learn how to use the internet and search for yourself because you wayyyyy behind on the story m8. How much did you by your rock for? Does pizza hut deliver to your rock?



You need to start quoting things that you find. Such has the term "Jihad" that sonia told you about. Im waiting?

English Quiz!

Please google what Jihad means and please find it . Don't use a random site thats like wikipedia or some shit.

Please google what Islam means.

I dont know need to know what they mean & I don't want your peanut gallery definitions.

 

[Spyder69]

Muslims have different interpretations of the Qur'an; hence why there are so many different sects, Sunni',(Majority) Shia (Shi'ite), Wahabi (Nearer extremist). This is similar to other religions too. Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews etc. Same for Christianity.

The reason why I mention this is, because what you may think or have heard or researched about; regarding the term Jihad and the context within the Qur'an, is not the same as it is for every other Muslim.

To me; Jihad defines what this person did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aitzaz_Hasan

Not by what ISIS is doing when claiming to be the representation of Islam; when majority of Islam's population is peaceful. That's like saying KKK is the perfect example of Christianity, it doesn't make sense.


If Muslims and Islam was that bad of a religion then why is majority of Islam still going about their own business ...with no relation to terrorism? Why are Muslims still being killed by terrorists? Do you think Muslims are immune to terror threats?

For that reason Trump is an absolute tool for wanting a ban on Muslims entering/in America. If anything his opinions is as bad as ISIS. And I'm genuinely glad for his disqualification.


Edit: Something I just can't seem to grasp the concept of; If the Qur'an states killing a single person, is like killing an entire population, and that suicide is a sin, then how can people still believe ISIS relates to Islam?

Im still waiting for you to learn how to use the internet and search for yourself because you wayyyyy behind on the story m8. How much did you by your rock for? Does pizza hut deliver to your rock?



You need to start quoting things that you find. Such has the term "Jihad" that sonia told you about. Im waiting?

English Quiz!

Please google what Jihad means and please find it . Don't use a random site thats like wikipedia or some shit.

Please google what Islam means.

I dont know need to know what they mean & I don't want your peanut gallery definitions.

I'm going to ask both of you political-correct-warriors a very very very basic question.

Are you ready?

Was Muhammad, the founder of Islam, alive during the beginning of the Islamic conquests. And then please justify the deaths of 200+ MILLION as a result of the Islamic conquest, part of which was during the life of Muhammad.

You have not a shred of evidence that would prove anything but the obvious when your very founder was a proponent of conquest.

And Win, why are you even still commenting when you haven't admitted to using a picture that I proved was fake. You lack credibility.

Lastly, the incessant whining about "b-but, the Quran says this," words mean little to nothing when the actions of your own founder are completely contradictory. Maybe we should also bring up pedophilia, how about that?

Oh, I can't forget. I'm still waiting for both of you to bring up one good reason why we should not bar all Muslims from entering the country due to the high possibility that militant Muslims could be mixed in with them.

How about we get back on track though, since neither of you can obviously link to exact quotes Trump has made other than vague allusions. Kind of like how Wins has been ignoring my request for him to admit he's a mindless drone that used a picture couple with the fake quote, and for some reason still can't quote where exactly Trump made the remarks that he claims he did.

Im still waiting for you to learn how to use the internet and search

I'll make it clear for I think the 4th time.

You used a picture that had a fake quote, that I already proved was 100% fake. Just based on that, you lose credibility. Stop replying, you're only making yourself look like a tool.

Also, the burden of proof falls on you. You claim he said such-and-such, yet all you've done is linked me to articles that assume the conclusion, none of the articles had a quote that had Trump making such remarks.

Thus, i've requested several times now that you quote EXACTLY his words. That's a beyond simple request.

 

How does one' answer questions when their own have been ignored.

 

[Wins]

I'm going to ask both of you political-correct-warriors a very very very basic question.

Are you ready?

Was Muhammad, the founder of Islam, alive during the beginning of the Islamic conquests. And then please justify the deaths of 200+ MILLION as a result of the Islamic conquest, part of which was during the life of Muhammad.

You have not a shred of evidence that would prove anything but the obvious when your very founder was a proponent of conquest.

And Win, why are you even still commenting when you haven't admitted to using a picture that I proved was fake. You lack credibility.

Lastly, the incessant whining about "b-but, the Quran says this," words mean little to nothing when the actions of your own founder are completely contradictory. Maybe we should also bring up pedophilia, how about that?

Oh, I can't forget. I'm still waiting for both of you to bring up one good reason why we should not bar all Muslims from entering the country due to the high possibility that militant Muslims could be mixed in with them.

How about we get back on track though, since neither of you can obviously link to exact quotes Trump has made other than vague allusions. Kind of like how Wins has been ignoring my request for him to admit he's a mindless drone that used a picture couple with the fake quote, and for some reason still can't quote where exactly Trump made the remarks that he claims he did.



I'll make it clear for I think the 4th time.

You used a picture that had a fake quote, that I already proved was 100% fake. Just based on that, you lose credibility. Stop replying, you're only making yourself look like a tool.

Also, the burden of proof falls on you. You claim he said such-and-such, yet all you've done is linked me to articles that assume the conclusion, none of the articles had a quote that had Trump making such remarks.

Thus, i've requested several times now that you quote EXACTLY his words. That's a beyond simple request.

BRO can you fkin not read??

I told you to go look and search " Trump Id card" "Trump ban muslims" Read the fkin articles or watch his shit.


First you idk if you missed black friday but.. You should of stayed up and got a tv.The picture is from Facebook ofc its fake I just posted it because its funny. I knew that someone who thinks like Trump wouldn't laugh because he is just as stupid as Trump.Anyways I'm sure you can search that shit up can't you or do you REALLLLLLLY want me to spoon feed your ass?


Second you haven't even read the quran or understand it. Im 100% sure you won't understand shit because your not religious or have the intelligence to actually know that Islam and Christianty are linked in a way. You assuming I'm muslim and make stupid debates that you think has sense in it. Its funny honestly for someone who doesn't know what the term Islam stands for or Jihad. I just need to tell you one thing and its called being an illiterate beng.




To end this with you I'm just going to say Thank you for sharing your opinion. I respect that you are trying to protect and say that to ban all radical muslims thats true we should but don't change it and say that we should ban ALL MUSLIMS. If all muslims were bad then we would all be dead lol maybe you should search the facts on this then reply back to me.

 

How can he control a country if he can't even control his hair?

 

[Wins]

How can he control a country if he can't even control his hair?

He has had some many wives that I'm not sure he can control country full of women and men and kids.Honestly he can't control anything if he couldn't do that.

 

You were talking about obama and how he'd beat Trump. I replied saying dems(obamanoids) are shady as fuck, I did not rule out rep's being shady as fuck. The reason I prefer Trump to others is because he has no real ties to either of the party.

Also stop putting words into my mouth, I didn't state that rep's don't have any scandals

Both parties have their fair share of "shady" representatives, saying democrats are shady isn't exactly an argument. Republicans want to cut taxes from the rich. That is the epitome of shadiness.

If you think that the IRS scandal was solely respective to one person then you are more delusional than I thought.

IRS 'Scandal' Fades As Documents Show Scrutiny Of Democratic Groups, ACORN Successors

I picked up the wrong story. If you're talking about this, it holds no merit.

Do you have the skill called reading? If you do then read my last reply again and try to understand it this time.

You never specified who "them" are. You said:

The main reason I'd vote for Trump is that I trust him to get the best people possible to help him.

Who are these people? Political advisers? The same ones who encouraged him to go through with his plan of banning all Muslims from entry?

If you can't google this simple number then you are either stupid or stupid.

Burden of proof

I can accuse you of being a faggot, that does not make you a faggot. Can do more examples but I think even you get why your "accusation" is a pile of dogshit.

I never said he was a rapist, I said he had accusations against him, specifically from his ex-wife.

It'd be nice if you could stop with the strawman arguments.

I don't know what to call him, I don't like labeling people and then attacking them on stuff other people did. That would be stupid and I'll leave being stupid to you.

You just labeled democrats as being "shady as fuck". I never attacked him for being a fascist, I just said he was, with undeniable proof to support my claim. How exactly is that stupid?

No, they actualy wouldn't have to approve it. Ever heard of these executive order thingys? Or can only Obama use them?

It would have to be approved. Ever heard of judicial reviews?

If you didn't know yet then illegals are a net negative thanks to the welfare state. Meaning they take more money out than they put in. This is common knowledge among thinking people, but I guess you ain't one.

The U.S. Social Security Administration estimated that in 2013 undocumented immigrants—and their employers—paid $13 billion in payroll taxes alone for benefits they will never get. They can receive schooling and emergency medical care, but not welfare or food stamps.

Source

Lets say you are spending 1 billion every year for X. Now you build a wall that costs 5 billion and after that you have to spend 500 million on X every year. Maintaining the wall costs 50 million every year. This means you are spending 450m less every year and after 11 years you would have spent less if you had not build the wall. This is why would would want to do something that COST A LOT of resources, in order to SPEND LESS IN OVERAL. You can't honestly be this stupid to not have figure this out before?

What exactly are they spending the 1 billion on? If you're talking about undocumented immigrants, this is a poor example. Undocumented immigrants paid 13b in payroll taxes in the year 2013. They don't receive welfare or foodstamps.

And you my friend are a class A libtard as tard as they come. It's impossible to mainting civility when your oppenent is this stupid and thinks he is the smartest person alive. I have yet to see you admit being wrong.
Inaccurate information? I think not.
About the ad hominems, I could easily do without them, but I have zero respect for you and they are more than justified after reading quite a few threads where your stupidity has been pointed out again and again and again and again. This topic is no different. You rarely address the arguments other people make and claim you already answered them. This is all too common and because of that I can't lose the ad hominents because they are correct in your case.

It's not about respecting me, it's about following the rules of this forum. I'm going to give you an infraction for flaming since I've warned you prior to this reply. If you can't debate without being civil, don't debate at all.