Do not permanent ban scammers.

[imagiNz]

It all depends on opportunity, if a thief went into a shop and the cash register had $5 in it he/she would take that $5 now if the register had $1000 in it, are you saying that the thief would only take $5 out of it?

I AGREE.

 

[imagiNz]

If I scammed someone, and got banned, I wouldn't of got unbanned, I reckon Finn just got out by favouritism.

 

[Matt Hasty]

Scamming someone's hard earned items, money ETC, with no remorse or care for the victim is inhuman, and should be treated with the same respect. Scamming isn't a disease, it's a weakness and they're fully aware of what they're doing as they do it. No matter how much they needed what was scammed, they should have known right from wrong. Everyone make's mistakes, but not all mistake's are recoverable.

So I'm going to say no support, they should remain perm banned. Rather the trade was for 0.01¢, or for a million dollars a scam is a scam.

 

[Busta305]

No support, worst idea ever sorry...

 

[Matt Hasty]

I'd also like to throw in there, that scamming is a decision that a person makes, with knowing Sythe's rules. Meaning they know they'll be permed and are okay with it. That being said if they chose to evade or ddos Sythe, they're diffidently not needed here.

 

[djweasel]

Well heres my question on this, how can somone who admits to scamming in the past get pardoned even though they've done alot for the site, but they still scammed in the past?

 

In the real world, a criminal's case is reviewed and punishment is determined by the severity of the damages, and he must make retribution. However, generally, a person will not be sentenced to a lifetime in prison for stealing $20. I'm sorry, it's absurd, especially since you can't prove that they'd do it again, you smack their hand, require them to pay the person back, or serve a certain amount of time doing community service/jail.

This is the real world. And the punishment is boycott / banishment from this private property, not imprisonment.

The fundamental principle of trade is that the trade will be honest. If you cannot trade here honestly, then you will not trade here at all. Very simple application of a very simple principle.

 

[video]

I don't think anyone would join a community that openly tolerated scamming. And unlike the real world, a lot of these trades are valued at $20 or less

 

[cosrob97]

Wouldn't you think if somebody scammed $5 that they would scam $500?

 

[FireZ]

If they let scammers roam around here I'd be one of the first to leave.

I just cannot fathom why people cannot trade here with honesty and be trustworthy. Also why some view deception as an easier way to get to the top....

 

[Deacon Frost]

This is the real world. And the punishment is boycott / banishment from this private property, not imprisonment.

The fundamental principle of trade is that the trade will be honest. If you cannot trade here honestly, then you will not trade here at all. Very simple application of a very simple principle.

Preventing their ability to trade does not require them being banished from the site. All it does is result in them not posting, which they generally find other means of scamming...

Also why some view deception as an easier way to get to the top....

Bill Gates.

 

[♫TaeYang♫]

No support i do believe in second chances but scammers on sythe always will scam...

 

[Mathias_K]

IMO scammers should be IP banned and not be able to view the forums. No matter how big an offence, a scam is a scam.

 

[SuF]

So your saying we should give into them? , "They scam but hey lets not ban them just incase they attack the site ilegally" ?

Giving them a second chance allows them to have a chance to come back, with no way of scamming.

No support, scammer's should all be dealt with in a ban sentence, I would not want someone who's even scammed 5$ trading with me.

Then don't trade with them. Scammers who are unbanned, would be KNOWN. We wouldn't just let them come back. Let them come back with a market ban and a new rank that says "DO NOT TRADE. KNOWN SCAMMER".

I'm sorry, scammers are scammers. They are doing inhumane things just to gain a little out of it, usually JUST pixels; items or objects that aren't even real. They shouldn't be aloud in such a large trading community that has new traders that would be vunerable.

In fact, scammers should be I.P. banned

Look above.

Scamming someone's hard earned items, money ETC, with no remorse or care for the victim is inhuman, and should be treated with the same respect. Scamming isn't a disease, it's a weakness and they're fully aware of what they're doing as they do it. No matter how much they needed what was scammed, they should have known right from wrong. Everyone make's mistakes, but not all mistake's are recoverable.

So I'm going to say no support, they should remain perm banned. Rather the trade was for 0.01¢, or for a million dollars a scam is a scam.

So banning them accomplishes what?

I'd also like to throw in there, that scamming is a decision that a person makes, with knowing Sythe's rules. Meaning they know they'll be permed and are okay with it. That being said if they chose to evade or ddos Sythe, they're diffidently not needed here.

If you were permed from Sythe, with no chance of returning, you would not have any difficulty jumping to evading or attacking the site.

Well heres my question on this, how can somone who admits to scamming in the past get pardoned even though they've done alot for the site, but they still scammed in the past?

Scamming isn't that terrible of a crime?

This is the real world. And the punishment is boycott / banishment from this private property, not imprisonment.

The fundamental principle of trade is that the trade will be honest. If you cannot trade here honestly, then you will not trade here at all. Very simple application of a very simple principle.

You basically said exactly what we are thinking. You scam, you can not trade here. That doesn't mean they don't deserve a chance to come back to the community to contribute. Even though they have scammed, doesn't mean that after 6months to a year that they can't change and come back and be amazing members for the community.

What system should be used to allow these people back? At the moment, I am unsure. It will take work, but it could be done effectively so that it turns out well for everyone.

I don't think anyone would join a community that openly tolerated scamming. And unlike the real world, a lot of these trades are valued at $20 or less

We aren't openly tolerating scamming. That would mean we wouldn't ban them at all. Read the whole thread. Or this post.

Wouldn't you think if somebody scammed $5 that they would scam $500?

I've been asked to MM $1200 trades without a single vouch. Thats more dangerous than someone who scammed 5 bucks once.

IMO scammers should be IP banned and not be able to view the forums. No matter how big an offence, a scam is a scam.

And why do you believe scamming is so terrible?

No support i do believe in second chances but scammers on sythe always will scam...

We wouldn't give them a chance to scam after they returned.

 

[Sanctuary]

I disagree. If you scam, you scammed. No matter how big or small the trade was, you still ripped somebody off.

You don't deserve to be a part of this great community if you're a scammer, simple as that.

 

[SuF]

I disagree. If you scam, you scammed. No matter how big or small the trade was, you still ripped somebody off.

You don't deserve to be a part of this great community if you're a scammer, simple as that.

Why? Yes, you scammed someone. That doesn't mean that you can't change and make amends. We aren't saying, let every scammer back. We're saying let some back. Some that show, with reasonable confidence that they have changed. A policy for people, who, would be denied a high pardon, but still want to get a second chance.

 

[153biggs]

I do not agree. If a robber robbed your house but said "oh im clean now" a week later, would you let him into your house? NO lol. Just like if someone scammed my money that I had to work to get (which has happened), I wouldn't want them anywhere near these forums, for the welfare of everyone. Just my oppinion

 

[SuF]

I do not agree. If a robber robbed your house but said "oh im clean now" a week later, would you let him into your house? NO lol. Just like if someone scammed my money that I had to work to get (which has happened), I wouldn't want them anywhere near these forums, for the welfare of everyone. Just my oppinion

Read my post a couple posts above this and think about it again.

 

[M_A_D]

for the one that got scammed that better to get the money back from the other player will get ban

if ill have the aprtuntey (yeh yeh spell sucks mean the chance) to choose the dude get ban or i get my money back ill choose the money

i think that will help the ppl that got scammed better

if not ban it for good

allsow if someone got cauget 2 times he will get perm ban
or after ea time he will ave to pay fine to the site or somthing or he will get perm ban

 

[Sanctuary]

Why? Yes, you scammed someone. That doesn't mean that you can't change and make amends. We aren't saying, let every scammer back. We're saying let some back. Some that show, with reasonable confidence that they have changed. A policy for people, who, would be denied a high pardon, but still want to get a second chance.

No, I completely disagree. I'm not arguing the fact that people change, I'm well aware that they do. The fact is they fucked up, and took advantage of someone. It's clearly stated that if caught scamming, it's a permanent ban. They knew what the risks were, and they still decided to do it.